The Year Of The Fox Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 Hi Stu & other interested parties. We are attending the Fans Consultative Committee tomorrow night (Thurs 12th), so have requested that this topic is added to the agenda. Stu - please do continue to e-mail fanzone tomorrow & make reference to our request to discuss at the FCC, as that will help it being added to the agenda. We have been in contact with the Safe Standing Show organisers previously, but at the time we were originally approached, Susan Whelan had only just been appointed as LCFC CEO and there were other topics we wanted to discuss as a priority during initial meetings (such as obtaining the old stadium frieze & selling for charity), however the SS Roadshow had remained on our list to discuss in future meetings (as we had established the roadshow would be available for all of this season). Hopefully the topic will be covered tomorrow night & we will then report back. If agreement is reached that the roadshow can be held at the stadium, we will then contact posters on this thread who have already offered (or subsequently post to offer) help organising Just emailed them. Very glad you've not forgot this topic. Let me know how the meeting goes tonight please. I'm happy to help with organising should we get the go ahead
The Year Of The Fox Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 Dear Stuart, Thank you for your email to Fanzone. The Foxes Trust, I am sure you are aware, will be at the FCC meeting tonight where they will be able to bring this up if they wish to do so.
Captain... Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 Good luck Stuart, and top work for getting involved, What I would be interested to know about the standing section is if it is unreserved or would you be sort of allocated places to stand. That is one thing that I do miss more than standing on my feet, just the atmosphere of going to the ground finding a place to stand feeling everyone buzzing around. I would imagine the capacity could be increased slightly, but there would have to be more regulations and restirctions on numbers than there was in the past.
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 Good luck Stuart, and top work for getting involved, What I would be interested to know about the standing section is if it is unreserved or would you be sort of allocated places to stand. That is one thing that I do miss more than standing on my feet, just the atmosphere of going to the ground finding a place to stand feeling everyone buzzing around. I would imagine the capacity could be increased slightly, but there would have to be more regulations and restirctions on numbers than there was in the past. All Bundesliga grounds with standing areas have a bigger capacity when it isn't all-seated, I don't know the finer points of that. Unfortunately with safe standing I'm 99% certain that spaces would still have to be allocated, it'd be a compromise but the powers that be would still want to make sure troublemakers can be easily traced, and as much overcrowding control as possible.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 Good luck Stuart, and top work for getting involved, What I would be interested to know about the standing section is if it is unreserved or would you be sort of allocated places to stand. That is one thing that I do miss more than standing on my feet, just the atmosphere of going to the ground finding a place to stand feeling everyone buzzing around. I would imagine the capacity could be increased slightly, but there would have to be more regulations and restirctions on numbers than there was in the past. Cheers. I've always presumed that you'd be allocated a 'seat' on your ticket. Don't forget these standing areas have seats incorporated into them which can be dropped at the turn of the key to comply with UEFA and FIFA Regs. So presumably you'd have the same amount of room with the seats up as you would with the seat down
The Year Of The Fox Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 All Bundesliga grounds with standing areas have a bigger capacity when it isn't all-seated, I don't know the finer points of that. Unfortunately with safe standing I'm 99% certain that spaces would still have to be allocated, it'd be a compromise but the powers that be would still want to make sure troublemakers can be easily traced, and as much overcrowding control as possible. Exactly, but it'd be a small price to pay to be able to stand. I don't think trouble makers would flock back just because of a standing area. Most are banned for a start. Clubs and particularly the FA need to realise that thers a big difference between someone wanting to stand and sing and others who want to cause a riot.
Foxes_Trust Posted 12 January 2012 Posted 12 January 2012 Hi Stu & all Firstly, we also received an e-mail back from the club suggesting the FCC meeting would not be the best place to raise the issue of holding the roadshow, as Kevin Barclay would not be at the FCC and it needed his input, so it should be raised separately. However Lisa having also read this thread raised the topic of Safe Standing wondering if the club would show their support for looking at Safe Standing, and the short answer was no, as they felt they had many other priorities which could benefit supporters that were realistic to deliver in a shorter time frame, whereas they believe the political will power to back standing was minimal or more likely in 10 years time, than in the near future. The club also highlighted that the stadium was built based on seating only, and there would be significant cost to change even a small area to the configuration of the steps to meet Safe Standing requirements, whereas for older grounds which had stand originally built for standing were far less costly to change over. (many years ago we were told a figure of a minimum of £250k for a small section). In terms of another element mentioned on this thread today, an "unreserved area" also cropped up and the main issue with this, is that an area having unreserved seats immediately suffers a 10-15% cut in capacity, so the same would apply if standing was unreserved. We will still look at having a separate conversation with the club on the Safe Standing Roadshow, but based on the reaction tonight, it would appear very doubtful they would agree
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 13 January 2012 Posted 13 January 2012 For Melbourne Victory we have "active supporter areas" behind both sets of goals and on the ticket and membership card it states on there "Standing Allowed".
m00nie Posted 13 January 2012 Posted 13 January 2012 as if the club was ever going to entertain the idea... stuff what the fans think
Kitchandro Posted 13 January 2012 Posted 13 January 2012 as if the club was ever going to entertain the idea... stuff what the fans think Didn't you read it properly? they felt they had many other priorities which could benefit supporters that were realistic to deliver in a shorter time frame See, they have all sorts of things lined up for the fans. Bouncy castles, petting zoos, 'Got to Dance' finalists performing at half time; all sorts of fun and games. Much better than all this standing nonsense.
m00nie Posted 13 January 2012 Posted 13 January 2012 Didn't you read it properly? See, they have all sorts of things lined up for the fans. Bouncy castles, petting zoos, 'Got to Dance' finalists performing at half time; all sorts of fun and games. Much better than all this standing nonsense. thats great then, oh and if more people stay and STAND to watch the half time entertainment il be able to actually get a beer and a pie in time...
Basingstoke Fox Posted 13 January 2012 Posted 13 January 2012 ****ing club. Not surprised though. This might sound stupid, but it may be an idea to help the Derby fan who's raised this thread get safe standing implemented at Pride Park or another club. If we can prove that this can work at another club and actually get somewhere with this, there may be a chance of something like this happening at Leicester..... One Day.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 13 January 2012 Posted 13 January 2012 A real shame that. Whats the biggest shame is that should the laws in the country ever change the club would still be unlikely to do anything due to the alterations needed. I was speaking to a member of the FSF about it yesterday and she was saying that they'd never got as far as they have now on the matter and that they're hoping for big developments in the coming weeks. I've a good mind to take this to the Top
davieG Posted 13 January 2012 Posted 13 January 2012 Hi Stu & all Firstly, we also received an e-mail back from the club suggesting the FCC meeting would not be the best place to raise the issue of holding the roadshow, as Kevin Barclay would not be at the FCC and it needed his input, so it should be raised separately. However Lisa having also read this thread raised the topic of Safe Standing wondering if the club would show their support for looking at Safe Standing, and the short answer was no, as they felt they had many other priorities which could benefit supporters that were realistic to deliver in a shorter time frame, whereas they believe the political will power to back standing was minimal or more likely in 10 years time, than in the near future. The club also highlighted that the stadium was built based on seating only, and there would be significant cost to change even a small area to the configuration of the steps to meet Safe Standing requirements, whereas for older grounds which had stand originally built for standing were far less costly to change over. (many years ago we were told a figure of a minimum of £250k for a small section). In terms of another element mentioned on this thread today, an "unreserved area" also cropped up and the main issue with this, is that an area having unreserved seats immediately suffers a 10-15% cut in capacity, so the same would apply if standing was unreserved. We will still look at having a separate conversation with the club on the Safe Standing Roadshow, but based on the reaction tonight, it would appear very doubtful they would agree Are they going to tell us what they are? Let's hope they make a better job of whatever it is than they have with the bar-coded ST card which has been a complete shambles. Also if they're serious about extending the capacity to 40k plus and all the costs involved surely that would be a good time to alter the lower section to enable safe standing to be implemented as when it is allowed and at a minimal cost and disruption. Where there's a will there's a way there's obviously no will down our Way! Clubs need to get it in their heads that's there's little point in spending time and money enticing young children to football if they are then going to do their best to alienate them when they reach their teens.
jonlcfc1990 Posted 13 January 2012 Posted 13 January 2012 Is there anywhere that safe standing could be put into a stadia like ours without causing major refurb though? the advantage with the SPL grounds are that most of them haven't been converted to fully seated grounds. I used to watch AYR united as a child and when i picture where i stood now in the ground it could easily be refurbed in around 6 months with these new types of apparatus where as ours and Derbys stadiums would take a hell of a lot of planning and demolishing. I think the cost exercise wouldn't benefit the club in a profitable way as much as i would like to see standing areas i feel we gave up that chance moving to the KP. Looking at a video that someone put up recently of Crystal palace ultra's it proves that you can create an atmosphere in seater stadiums what we need to focus on is getting the club behind us as a group getting the stewards on our side and finding out where to put it. We've already had two failed attempts i remember Milans idea of the band section in the family stand and then then the fosse boys in my opinion both were over shadowed by L and K Block so why not have it there?? doesn't it make sense? and for what it's worth the KOP should be switched to move it closer to L and K i know it's been said a million times but it needs to happen it's just too far away from the action.
Dan Posted 13 January 2012 Posted 13 January 2012 I just hate the way our club seem so opposed to anything that me or people who are for this kind of thing want. You knew it'd be a no, why? Fair enough, they've not made a total decision yet, but it pretty much seems like it'll be a no. And we all knew it would be as well, DavieG's point about alienating them at a certain age could not be more true.
therams69 Posted 13 January 2012 Author Posted 13 January 2012 Guys, Since I started this thread have watched with interest... This is what I suggest:- Organise a roadshow at a local pub, call Jon up from the SSR and arrange a date. Get the press down, local radio etc... This is what I did at Derby and it worked. What your club has said is so far off the mark with regards to safe standing its unreal... Happy to help you on the night if I can - I am now an expert at setting the demo up. In short you do not need the clubs support or backing to have the roadshow for your fans. Expect this thread to be more popular once a certain story is released this weekend!! ;-) Nick
jonlcfc1990 Posted 13 January 2012 Posted 13 January 2012 If anyone is arranging it let the forum know where and when i'm sure there are a lot of city fans interested in this movement
The Year Of The Fox Posted 13 January 2012 Posted 13 January 2012 Surely somewhere in the city would be better (as opposed to me organising it in a village pub over coalville way.. A Saturday with a home match would be best. Someone could approach the holiday inn, or the kazkazini bar next to it. Both on the door step (literally) of the ground so would be a sly two fingers to the powers that be at the club. I know we'd need to work with them not against, but what can you do? Being on the door step in one of those aboves car parks would get a hell of a lot of fans down there. Or failing that theres the f bar down the road...
1964FOX Posted 13 January 2012 Posted 13 January 2012 I agree the closer to the ground the better and of cours the mor people tha turn up. Press coverage is also massively important, inviting the lord mayor and other local figures would also help. Organisation and thorough planing are the key if the event is to be successful and rais awareness. I do agree with others that the best chance of getting this is when the capacity is increased so work now to raise the feeling of the fans may pay dividends even if it means success in five years time.
davieG Posted 13 January 2012 Posted 13 January 2012 I agree the closer to the ground the better and of cours the mor people tha turn up. Press coverage is also massively important, inviting the lord mayor and other local figures would also help. Organisation and thorough planing are the key if the event is to be successful and rais awareness. I do agree with others that the best chance of getting this is when the capacity is increased so work now to raise the feeling of the fans may pay dividends even if it means success in five years time. I wasn't suggesting it was the best chance I was suggesting it was a way to minimise disruption and costs and remove certain barriers the club appears to be putting forward, of course, if it was given the go ahead by the government then as soon as would be the most desirable but let's not forget the club's owners seem determined to increase the capacity as soon as they can justify it so coupling it with that would be nothing if not convenient. Besides part of my suggesting this was if the stadium itself needed significant change to the incline or the step sizes which some have suggested might be needed.
James. Posted 13 January 2012 Posted 13 January 2012 Absolutely shambolic response from the club. This is typical though. Presented with something slightly different from the norm and they give you a load of vague reasons not to do anything about it. Exactly the same thing happened when I tried to organise a 125th anniversary charity run. The Derby fan's advice is spot on. Hopefully someone will pursue it?
1964FOX Posted 13 January 2012 Posted 13 January 2012 I wasn't suggesting it was the best chance I was suggesting it was a way to minimise disruption and costs and remove certain barriers the club appears to be putting forward, of course, if it was given the go ahead by the government then as soon as would be the most desirable but let's not forget the club's owners seem determined to increase the capacity as soon as they can justify it so coupling it with that would be nothing if not convenient. Besides part of my suggesting this was if the stadium itself needed significant change to the incline or the step sizes which some have suggested might be needed. Having done some reseach some time ago you are spot on about the current incline and width of steps, they are not appropriate for current safe standing models (unless things have changed in the last 12 months) so personally I think if and when the capacity is increased is the best chance of getting it even if the government announced it was ok tomorrow. If convinced I am sure the owners would realise this also, kill two birds with one stone as they say (no offence to our resident bird of prey intended)
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