Wherethefoxhat? Posted 24 January 2012 Posted 24 January 2012 except as Bert told me on Twitter earlier today, he wants out cus he's not guaranteed a place anymore, even though he's only missed 1 game that's not enough for him, if that's his attitude he can feck off, no-ones place should be guaranteed ....says the "fan" who said..... First Team Joined:17-April 05Posts:6,764 Location:Thunrby Lodge Posted 22 December 2011 - 10:24 PM "I'm still hoping he'll get cropped for the season "
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 24 January 2012 Posted 24 January 2012 Poor old Richie, not only did he take one in the face(ouch) last night, he has now got the fans arguing about spelling and grammar on his thread, no wonder he wants out. Gets more like Eastends everyday, I wonder if Tops is thinking of putting a torch to the Walkers, sorry KP?
HoustonFox Posted 24 January 2012 Posted 24 January 2012 His 2nd half performance last night was as good as he's ever played for us, I was absolutely fuming at his first half performance but fair play to him for getting stuck in and driving us to victory. It seemed that whack in the face did him the world of good. Me too. He was Southampton's best player in the first half and he really stepped it up right about the same time he was whacked in the nose! I even sent a text to my Dad saying I no longer hated Wellens!
Wherethefoxhat? Posted 24 January 2012 Posted 24 January 2012 Correct...... To be serious for a moment, we all make the odd typo, punctuation error and the like, that is normal. However, I do have a problem when posts are so badly written that it is either impossible or really hard to work out what the poster is trying to say. I know this is only a football forum but if you have anything to say that is of real value, at least make the effort to write it clearly enough for people to understand. Do this and you might even make people think about and maybe even change their views....... I fink dat Wellins geezer's well good an the jobs a gooden !
marbelladave Posted 24 January 2012 Posted 24 January 2012 Me too. He was Southampton's best player in the first half and he really stepped it up right about the same time he was whacked in the nose! I even sent a text to my Dad saying I no longer hated Wellens! As I have said elsewhere I thought Wellens was just about ok first half but the interesting thing about his game was that the deeper he played the worse he played. When he dropped deep he was up to his usual tricks, posturing, pointing and avoiding tackles, on the few occasions he got possession his distribution was woeful, giving the ball away a lot. This was offset by the fact that when he was in more forward positions he did a good job harrasing the opposition and was instrumental in our pressing game that stifiled the life out of Southampton. In the second half he stayed further forward (presumeably on instructions) and was all the better for it.......
marbelladave Posted 24 January 2012 Posted 24 January 2012 I fink dat Wellins geezer's well good an the jobs a gooden ! Sorry, don't quite follow your banter, old chap.......
HoustonFox Posted 24 January 2012 Posted 24 January 2012 As I have said elsewhere I thought Wellens was just about ok first half but the interesting thing about his game was that the deeper he played the worse he played. When he dropped deep he was up to his usual tricks, posturing, pointing and avoiding tackles, on the few occasions he got possession his distribution was woeful, giving the ball away a lot. This was offset by the fact that when he was in more forward positions he did a good job harrasing the opposition and was instrumental in our pressing game that stifiled the life out of Southampton. In the second half he stayed further forward (presumeably on instructions) and was all the better for it....... Definitely, I think Danns playing the holder (something he is doing better than I expected as I thought he was more of an attacking mid) is helping him a lot. Any surprise that he picked his game up when Drinkwater came on?
5waller5 Posted 24 January 2012 Posted 24 January 2012 As I have said elsewhere I thought Wellens was just about ok first half but the interesting thing about his game was that the deeper he played the worse he played. When he dropped deep he was up to his usual tricks, posturing, pointing and avoiding tackles, on the few occasions he got possession his distribution was woeful, giving the ball away a lot. This was offset by the fact that when he was in more forward positions he did a good job harrasing the opposition and was instrumental in our pressing game that stifiled the life out of Southampton. In the second half he stayed further forward (presumeably on instructions) and was all the better for it....... You've summed it up perfectly for me. Agree entirely.
Lambert09 Posted 25 January 2012 Posted 25 January 2012 I've noticed that Wellens is a good player to have on when your already winning... brilliant at slowing games down, and sensible fouling. However, when your chasing a game he is useless!!
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 25 January 2012 Posted 25 January 2012 It's not a good day when a debate on grammar is the best thing on the transfer thread ;-)
Corky Posted 25 January 2012 Posted 25 January 2012 I've noticed that Wellens is a good player to have on when your already winning... brilliant at slowing games down, and sensible fouling. However, when your chasing a game he is useless!! My thoughts too.
marbelladave Posted 26 January 2012 Posted 26 January 2012 I've noticed that Wellens is a good player to have on when your already winning... brilliant at slowing games down, and sensible fouling. However, when your chasing a game he is useless!! Sorry but that is just completely wrong...... The number of times that we get in front, go on the defensive and let the opposition back into the game are too numerous to mention. And Wellens is the main reason for this, he drops back, sits infront of our back 4, points, shouts but hardly ever makes an effective tackle and when he gets the ball gives it 'hollywood' style back to the opposition. He is the main culprit for giving away possession and putting us under constant pressure, a complete disaster......... The only times that he makes a positive contribution to our play is when he gets well forward and uses his ability to pick a pass to our front men, but sadly that happens all too rarely. He is ok when he plays in this way but only just, nothing like the all round game to be the creative player we so desperately need........
eaststand68 Posted 26 January 2012 Posted 26 January 2012 Wellens is being paid big money I believe this will be above LUFC wage cap, so I believe this wont happen!!
cc_star Posted 26 January 2012 Posted 26 January 2012 Sorry but that is just completely wrong...... The number of times that we get in front, go on the defensive and let the opposition back into the game are too numerous to mention. And Wellens is the main reason for this, he drops back, sits infront of our back 4, points, shouts but hardly ever makes an effective tackle and when he gets the ball gives it 'hollywood' style back to the opposition. He is the main culprit for giving away possession and putting us under constant pressure, a complete disaster......... The only times that he makes a positive contribution to our play is when he gets well forward and uses his ability to pick a pass to our front men, but sadly that happens all too rarely. He is ok when he plays in this way but only just, nothing like the all round game to be the creative player we so desperately need........ Often agree with you, but not in this case. Wellens has been a disaster this season because the team has been a disaster! There has been no movement or desire to want the ball, now NP seems to have turned the corner of changing the player's attitude and they are playing with movement & desire to get in front of their man & receive the ball, Wellens is finding them with his usual 5/10/20yrd passes, keeping everything ticking over and knitting the play of the whole team together. For the majority of the season we haven't played with movement to find space, people haven't fought to get in front of their man to receive the ball & Wellens has had to resort to the Hollywood ball.
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 January 2012 Posted 26 January 2012 Often agree with you, but not in this case. Wellens has been a disaster this season because the team has been a disaster! There has been no movement or desire to want the ball, now NP seems to have turned the corner of changing the player's attitude and they are playing with movement & desire to get in front of their man & receive the ball, Wellens is finding them with his usual 5/10/20yrd passes, keeping everything ticking over and knitting the play of the whole team together. For the majority of the season we haven't played with movement to find space, people haven't fought to get in front of their man to receive the ball & Wellens has had to resort to the Hollywood ball. Agree 100%
marbelladave Posted 26 January 2012 Posted 26 January 2012 Often agree with you, but not in this case. Wellens has been a disaster this season because the team has been a disaster! There has been no movement or desire to want the ball, now NP seems to have turned the corner of changing the player's attitude and they are playing with movement & desire to get in front of their man & receive the ball, Wellens is finding them with his usual 5/10/20yrd passes, keeping everything ticking over and knitting the play of the whole team together. For the majority of the season we haven't played with movement to find space, people haven't fought to get in front of their man to receive the ball & Wellens has had to resort to the Hollywood ball. Agree 100% Were we talking about this season only, you might have a point, but this has been going on for years........ Even in our first season back in the championship this trend was apparant. It did not always cost us the points but we routinely sat back and allowed sides back into games we had already won. Clearly there were other factors but the tendency of Wellens to drop deep, dragging other players with him in a sort of ill advised siege mentality has been obvious for some years. If we are discussing this season only I feel that we were severely let down (I'm being very polite) by Wellens somehow getting hold of the anchor role in Sven's diamond formation and fooking up our midfield totally. I know neither of you will agree with this but I feel that playing Wellens in that ('quarterbacking') role was the major reason for our erratic early season form and in due course cost Sven his job.
okie fox Posted 26 January 2012 Posted 26 January 2012 So now Wellens is being blamed for Sven's sacking. What a joke! I suppose Wellens arranged the transfers, chose the team, made up the game plans, and did the tactical switches during the game as well.
Wherethefoxhat? Posted 26 January 2012 Posted 26 January 2012 Were we talking about this season only, you might have a point, but this has been going on for years........ Even in our first season back in the championship this trend was apparant. It did not always cost us the points but we routinely sat back and allowed sides back into games we had already won. Clearly there were other factors but the tendency of Wellens to drop deep, dragging other players with him in a sort of ill advised siege mentality has been obvious for some years. If we are discussing this season only I feel that we were severely let down (I'm being very polite) by Wellens somehow getting hold of the anchor role in Sven's diamond formation and fooking up our midfield totally. I know neither of you will agree with this but I feel that playing Wellens in that ('quarterbacking') role was the major reason for our erratic early season form and in due course cost Sven his job. Zzzzzzzzzzz
artursteppe Posted 26 January 2012 Posted 26 January 2012 Were we talking about this season only, you might have a point, but this has been going on for years........ Even in our first season back in the championship this trend was apparant. It did not always cost us the points but we routinely sat back and allowed sides back into games we had already won. Clearly there were other factors but the tendency of Wellens to drop deep, dragging other players with him in a sort of ill advised siege mentality has been obvious for some years. If we are discussing this season only I feel that we were severely let down (I'm being very polite) by Wellens somehow getting hold of the anchor role in Sven's diamond formation and fooking up our midfield totally. I know neither of you will agree with this but I feel that playing Wellens in that ('quarterbacking') role was the major reason for our erratic early season form and in due course cost Sven his job. Were we talking about this season only, you might have a point, but this has been going on for years........ Even in our first season back in the championship this trend was apparant. It did not always cost us the points but we routinely sat back and allowed sides back into games we had already won. Clearly there were other factors but the tendency of Wellens to drop deep, dragging other players with him in a sort of ill advised siege mentality has been obvious for some years. If we are discussing this season only I feel that we were severely let down (I'm being very polite) by Wellens somehow getting hold of the anchor role in Sven's diamond formation and fooking up our midfield totally. I know neither of you will agree with this but I feel that playing Wellens in that ('quarterbacking') role was the major reason for our erratic early season form and in due course cost Sven his job. I am totally in agreement. Our problem is and over recent seasons has been Richie Wellens. He only plays well when the rest of the team play well, in other words when it is easy for him. His problem ( being kind ) may be that he cannot achieve the level of fitness required for a player in his role, or ( more truthfully ) he is downright lazy. The lazy option is to 'swan around' in a vague defensive midfield role as Wellens has done since he arrived, pointing at other players to do the job he should be doing and blaming others to divert critical attention from himself. This attitude is best observed when we are trying to protect a one goal lead, but occurs in most games anyway. He is the player that is most 'at odds' with a whole variety of other members of the team where the finger of blame is being pointed. Somehow Wellens has gotten away with it through a number of managers. However those days may well now be numbered. I believe that Pearson has had strong words with all the midfield players we have since the Barnsley debacle, and I do not think players will get away with shirking anymore. Gallagher has obviously been told to 'man-up' and work harder, which he has done. Dyer has been told to be more consistent and concentrate more when both going forward and defending, which he has done. Wellens has been told to work harder and actually contribute throughout the whole match, which he has done. I believe already that Drinkwater is the type of central midfield player we have been missing for years, and the pressure is now on all our midfield to perform every game. If Wellens does not like the effort he is now being forced to present to keep his place in the team, he might take the easy option of moving to Leeds. We will see.
artursteppe Posted 26 January 2012 Posted 26 January 2012 The famous three Wellens fans are all on here again, wherethefoxhat, cc_star, and colcityfan, all together. You know guys when you come on telling us all how good Wellens is you actually make it feel like there are a lot of you.
NewburyFox Posted 26 January 2012 Posted 26 January 2012 I am totally in agreement. Our problem is and over recent seasons has been Richie Wellens. He only plays well when the rest of the team play well, in other words when it is easy for him. His problem ( being kind ) may be that he cannot achieve the level of fitness required for a player in his role, or ( more truthfully ) he is downright lazy. The lazy option is to 'swan around' in a vague defensive midfield role as Wellens has done since he arrived, pointing at other players to do the job he should be doing and blaming others to divert critical attention from himself. This attitude is best observed when we are trying to protect a one goal lead, but occurs in most games anyway. He is the player that is most 'at odds' with a whole variety of other members of the team where the finger of blame is being pointed. Somehow Wellens has gotten away with it through a number of managers. However those days may well now be numbered. I believe that Pearson has had strong words with all the midfield players we have since the Barnsley debacle, and I do not think players will get away with shirking anymore. Gallagher has obviously been told to 'man-up' and work harder, which he has done. Dyer has been told to be more consistent and concentrate more when both going forward and defending, which he has done. Wellens has been told to work harder and actually contribute throughout the whole match, which he has done. I believe already that Drinkwater is the type of central midfield player we have been missing for years, and the pressure is now on all our midfield to perform every game. If Wellens does not like the effort he is now being forced to present to keep his place in the team, he might take the easy option of moving to Leeds. We will see. I stopped reading after that. People have made Wellens a scapegoat this season, but that comment is just ridiculous.
artursteppe Posted 26 January 2012 Posted 26 January 2012 I stopped reading after that. People have made Wellens a scapegoat this season, but that comment is just ridiculous. Maybe you should read it and learn.
NewburyFox Posted 26 January 2012 Posted 26 January 2012 Maybe you should read it and learn. Maybe you shouldn't blame Wellens for everything that's gone wrong at the club over the last 2 1/2 seasons.
Wherethefoxhat? Posted 26 January 2012 Posted 26 January 2012 I am totally in agreement. Our problem is and over recent seasons has been Richie Wellens. He only plays well when the rest of the team play well, in other words when it is easy for him. His problem ( being kind ) may be that he cannot achieve the level of fitness required for a player in his role, or ( more truthfully ) he is downright lazy. The lazy option is to 'swan around' in a vague defensive midfield role as Wellens has done since he arrived, pointing at other players to do the job he should be doing and blaming others to divert critical attention from himself. This attitude is best observed when we are trying to protect a one goal lead, but occurs in most games anyway. He is the player that is most 'at odds' with a whole variety of other members of the team where the finger of blame is being pointed. Somehow Wellens has gotten away with it through a number of managers. However those days may well now be numbered. I believe that Pearson has had strong words with all the midfield players we have since the Barnsley debacle, and I do not think players will get away with shirking anymore. Gallagher has obviously been told to 'man-up' and work harder, which he has done. Dyer has been told to be more consistent and concentrate more when both going forward and defending, which he has done. Wellens has been told to work harder and actually contribute throughout the whole match, which he has done. I believe already that Drinkwater is the type of central midfield player we have been missing for years, and the pressure is now on all our midfield to perform every game. If Wellens does not like the effort he is now being forced to present to keep his place in the team, he might take the easy option of moving to Leeds. We will see. “Most critical writing is drivel and half of it is dishonest. It is a short cut to oblivion anyway !" I actually put it down to you being a complete twonk !!!!
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