Corky Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 He's always going to be a player who divides the fans- some prefer work-rate, others prefer skill and goals. Nugent is popular because he does all of the above, we'll just have to accept Beckford is different.
Guest ttfn Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 He's always going to be a player who divides the fans- some prefer work-rate, others prefer skill and goals. For the overwhelming majority of the season Beckford has provided neither. That is why people are questioning his role in the team. It has nothing to do with liking different types of players.
Captain... Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 I rarely see the long ball, I do see us mixing play up and part of that is getting the ball forward quickly but just the same part of it is pinging it around, or more measured stuff... It's a mix. What a lot of our play needs (besides intensity) is forwards to be working the line or running the channels, for example if Beckford pulls out to the right, he can receive a pass from Wellens/Danns/Gally, it also leaves room for Gally to cut in. when Nugent's on form he combines with Dyer & Konch very well and since the Forest game Beckford has been doing a lot more of it too - I couldn't watch last night's game, but can't argue with two goals even if he did none of the running I've mentioned. I did see the Derby win & plenty of other games (even recent ones) where he hasn't been doing the other stuff though. ------------------------------- Back to Beckford specifically a return of 4 in 12 (= 1 in 3) since the turn of the year & 6 in 26 (= 1 in 4.3) overall, isn't good enough... Even the much criticised Matty Fryatt has 1 in 3.7 and he always makes runs & does the other stuff too. Beckford looks a great talent, he occasionally turns that on, yes he's improved a bit, although seemingly when it suits him.... but it's not time to start sucking his dick just yet. Beckford does other things too, he made a sliding tackle yesterday, and he also set-up Nugent's goals against Watford, Norwich and Coventry.
class 1 Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 didnt go last night (work) seen the goals , just thinking how he would have reacted if he missed that 1st goal , would he have disappeared out the game ?
Corky Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 For the overwhelming majority of the season Beckford has provided neither. That is why people are questioning his role in the team. It has nothing to do with liking different types of players. I know he hasn't, but you've seen on this forum that people are divided. Yakubu wasn't all that popular, primarily down to his work-rate because his record was good. If Beckford brings goals consistently over a season yet still plays the same way will people get off his back then?
seenitall Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 Leicester fans would rather have a talentless tryer who runs around a lot than a genuine footballer, hence preferring Waghorn or Howard to Beckford or Danns.
Raw Dykes Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 Leicester fans would rather have a talentless tryer who runs around a lot than a genuine footballer, hence preferring Waghorn or Howard to Beckford or Danns. Neil Danns? You put our Neil Danns in the latter category?
Gold Coast Fox Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 Leicester fans would rather have a talentless tryer who runs around a lot than a genuine footballer, hence preferring Waghorn or Howard to Beckford or Danns. I'd rather see my nan on the pitch than howard.
class 1 Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 i personally like beckford , but can see why he divides opinion . but he certainly aint the worst striker to pull on the shirt , i'll start the ball rolling with old triangle head himself ormondroyd , anyone raise me ?
Kitchandro Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 At the end of the day if we had Messi, people on this forum would still find something to moan about. Probably because he doesn't score enough his head or something stupid like that But that's just a silly comment really isn't it. Because if we had Messi of course we wouldn't moan about him. But we haven't got Messi, we've got Beckford. People should lay off him while he's playing well but it goes both ways. There doesn't need to be an extreme opinion all the while - he's underperformed, he's not been worth the money so far, but this calender year he's been better and he scored 2 last night. Everyone should be happy with him at this time without having a wankfest.
accessory Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 Leicester fans would rather have a talentless tryer who runs around a lot than a genuine footballer, hence preferring Waghorn or Howard to Beckford or Danns. Waghorn's not talentless, as he proved under Pearson both here and at Hull. It's a shame your guru Sven wrecked his confidence.
Kitchandro Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 Leicester fans would rather have a talentless tryer who runs around a lot than a genuine footballer, hence preferring Waghorn or Howard to Beckford or Danns. Is it too much to ask to have hard work and quality from a professional footballer? As said above, Beckford offered nothing for the first half of the season.
accessory Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 i personally like beckford , but can see why he divides opinion . but he certainly aint the worst striker to pull on the shirt , i'll start the ball rolling with old triangle head himself ormondroyd , anyone raise me ? Nathan Blake? Roman Bednar?
cc_star Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 Leicester fans would rather have a talentless tryer who runs around a lot than a genuine footballer, hence preferring Waghorn or Howard to Beckford or Danns. No they don't, Beckford's goal return hasn't been good enough... & he's not a team player either (or rather his goal return & his team-player skills hasn't been for the majority of his time here) I know you'd love it if Sven wrapped a dogshit in a Leicester shirt and sent it out on to the pitch, just to sit there & do nothing... but some people just wish for a bit more, especially from their marquee signings 1 in 4.3 since he came here has improved to 1 in 3 since the turn of the year... many people would love this improvement to continue to 1 in 2... which exactly what he was bought for and I wonder where we'd be if that happened? Also there's nothing in the rule book which says you have to chose between the two, so you can be a team player AND score your share of the goals, although as far as I'm concerned, you can sit on your arse all game if you can get 1 in 2... like Yak who was awesome at it. also, Danns is the ultimate tryer who runs around... that's his game, so not sure on your point
seenitall Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 Horsefield, waghorn, akinbye, howard, fryatt, benjamin i could keep going for hours but am getting too depressed to continue. 9 from the last 6 at home. Bet no one can tell me who has ever performed as well over 6 home games i the last 40 years?,
seenitall Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 No they don't, Beckford's goal return hasn't been good enough... & he's not a team player either (or rather his goal return & his team-player skills hasn't been for the majority of his time here) I know you'd love it if Sven wrapped a dogshit in a Leicester shirt and sent it out on to the pitch, just to sit there & do nothing... but some people just wish for a bit more, especially from their marquee signings 1 in 4.3 since he came here has improved to 1 in 3 since the turn of the year... many people would love this improvement to continue to 1 in 2... which exactly what he was bought for and I wonder where we'd be if that happened? Also there's nothing in the rule book which says you have to chose between the two, so you can be a team player AND score your share of the goals, although as far as I'm concerned, you can sit on your arse all game if you can get 1 in 2... like Yak who was awesome at it. also, Danns is the ultimate tryer who runs around... that's his game, so not sure on your point If we won all our remaining games 5-0 you would still be unhappy. Go to the doctors
Kitchandro Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 I know he hasn't, but you've seen on this forum that people are divided. Yakubu wasn't all that popular, primarily down to his work-rate because his record was good. If Beckford brings goals consistently over a season yet still plays the same way will people get off his back then? Depends what you mean by that. For example, if he scores in every home game but is lazy, draws blanks and has the touch of a rapist away, then that's not good enough. In that scenario he'd be getting a goal every other game, so consistently, but so what if in 50% of the games he's non-existant? You're right in saying it's very similar to the Yakubu debate. Personally I've never understood the point that only goal scoring is important for a striker, I think that's absolute bollocks. You can't be a passenger 90% of the time and put pressure on your other 10 teammates and ask them to do their work and yours too. It's a team, teams should function as a unit, not just as individuals doing different things. They should have different roles yes, but they should all be expected to work hard and play for the whole 11. People wonder why we collapsed last season and why we've never got going this season, why we've only once won coming from behind. There hasn't been a team ethic or spirit here for a while. The players need to be all playing for each other to succeed. And another reason is we can't have a load of players who are brilliant half the time and terrible the other half.
seenitall Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 So the answer is yes then. Results don't matter, running around a lot and kissing the badge does
Kitchandro Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 I'm not clever enough to debate properly so I just ignore what everyone else says and childishly repeat what I've already said. Fair enough, we'll leave you to it then
seenitall Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 As it is, that would still make me cleverer than most on here so I'll take it
Corky Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 Depends what you mean by that. For example, if he scores in every home game but is lazy, draws blanks and has the touch of a rapist away, then that's not good enough. In that scenario he'd be getting a goal every other game, so consistently, but so what if in 50% of the games he's non-existant? By not running the channels, "goal-hanging" to an extent, but being in the middle to convert chances. He does need to improve away, I agree with that.
cc_star Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 If we won all our remaining games 5-0 you would still be unhappy. Go to the doctors No I'm over the moon with any win... You just don't get it, it's not all about running around & kissing the badge... who has criticised Beckford after scoring 2 goals to help the team beat a very good side in Birmingham? Who criticised Beckford even though he didn't score when we ran Southampton ragged? who criticised beckford even though he didn't score when we beat XYZ, but he played well? No one Plenty have criticised his performances like his woeful one in the 1-0 victory over Derby, which mean we were essentially playing with 10 men... in fact it was worse than playing with 10 men, because if he wasn't there he would have given the ball away... and there has (note the past tense of the word 'has') been too many performances where he doesn't show up. But if he can get his goal rate up from 1 in 4.3....... to 1 in 2 and do what he was bought for, then no one at all will be able to moan with any conviction.
okie fox Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 What impressed me last night was that Beckford was jumping for the ball and winning headers instead of ducking and letting the centre back jump over him. He has talent and breakaway speed, just needs to get his mind into the game more often.
seenitall Posted 14 March 2012 Posted 14 March 2012 WHY IS PEARSON STILL PICKING HIM I am absolutely fed up with him getting a place in the team. He may make half decent runs when kasper picks the ball up but: He has a horrendous work rate. He has an awful first touch. He has terrible distribution. He doesn't even challenge for a header. He can't finish. I've seen him play fifteen times this season. EVERY time he's been crap. Why not give Schlupp a go? He was terrific before he got injured and he works very hard. Silly quote, and hasn't Schlupp been injured (bet he still would have been better eh ha ha)
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