Beckford.

[Charl91]

Torres, despite his bad run, has never hid during games.

That's not true either.....he's been missing in a fair few game.

[21st Century Fox]

Beckford:

Good goal taker... Give him a sniff and he will typically take it.

Overall game.... Remains poor. His inability to shield the ball and retain possession puts us under pressure far too often.

Would I keep him? I really dunno... The jury is still out for me..

How about this? Sign someone who can BOTH finish AND retain possession AND score with his head? Is that impossible. The Saints have done it with Lambert for example.

This isn't a Beckford bash.. It's merely wondering whether we can in fact, get better?

When the source of delivery is hopeless long balls or Lloyd Dyer's daisy cutters even Lambert would find it hard to consistently hit the net. Beckford is by far not the teams weakest link, for all his pace Dyer more often than not blunts our attacks with his end product, if we could work on deliver and being a bit more imaginative, I'm sure Beckford would find the net more often.

Yesterday he constantly had atleast 3 to 4 defenders in his wheel house for every long ball up to him and not a sniff of a Leicester shirt to hold the ball up for. Like I said he just seemed to have to rely on mistakes by them instead of decent, mildly imaginative delivery from us.

Again not saying he was our star player but a lot of the criticism of his performance yesterday is way over the top.

[Guest ttfn]

I thought he played ok yesterday. Even held the ball up nicely a couple of times...

[Steven]

_{May be Mark Bright was right.}

[foxfanazer]

I though he was decent yesterday but haters will hate

[Lcfc Jordan]

you guys must be joking i was at the game yesterday and i saw nothing but effort from the lad everytime the ball went out he busted a gut trying to get the ball back in play as quick as possible, he was also making runs down the channel at every opputunity (dont know if the tvs showed that) he poached a goal out of nothing made it looked easy when in reality it was harder than it looked!, and still showed his appreaciation to danns which was a nice touch everyone including myself moaned early in the season about his appetite to play for the club and then he puts in a performance like that against an in form chelsea team and some people are still slating him!

come on guys get behind the lad, LCTID

[Poakey]

Well happy with Beckford at the minute, as long as he's scoring goals i'm happy. He is a constant threat. Anyone know his goals to games record in 2012? Sorry if it's already been posted in this thread but i cant bring my self to read through it.

[Haydos]

Beckford:

Good goal taker... Give him a sniff and he will typically take it.

Overall game.... Remains poor. His inability to shield the ball and retain possession puts us under pressure far too often.

Would I keep him? I really dunno... The jury is still out for me..

How about this? Sign someone who can BOTH finish AND retain possession AND score with his head? Is that impossible. The Saints have done it with Lambert for example.

This isn't a Beckford bash.. It's merely wondering whether we can in fact, get better?

Exactly, we should just sign 11 players that are really, really good and are the best in the division at they're respective positions.

You can't just say "Sign a player that will turn out really good for us. C'mon mate, i know you're not this stupid. I doubt anyone thought Nugent would perform to the level he has...and we were expecting much bigger things from Mills, Fernandes, Johnson etc. Football just doesn't work like that though.

[Guest Col city fan]

Exactly, we should just sign 11 players that are really, really good and are the best in the division at they're respective positions.

You can't just say "Sign a player that will turn out really good for us. C'mon mate, i know you're not this stupid. I doubt anyone thought Nugent would perform to the level he has...and we were expecting much bigger things from Mills, Fernandes, Johnson etc. Football just doesn't work like that though.

Of course it can... With the right scouting network and preparation.

Are you really saying that we couldn't sign somebody that has a better all round game than Jermaine has? Look at the table of Championship goal scorers this season. There are loads with far more goals than Beckford has scored. And with better all round footballing ability.

Again, Jason Roberts, for example, has scored more league goals than Beckford ALREADY..

Surely you're not that stupid mate? What's the point of scouts and coaches then?

[Mack]

Beckford:

Good goal taker... Give him a sniff and he will typically take it.

Overall game.... Remains poor. His inability to shield the ball and retain possession puts us under pressure far too often.

Would I keep him? I really dunno... The jury is still out for me..

How about this? Sign someone who can BOTH finish AND retain possession AND score with his head? Is that impossible. The Saints have done it with Lambert for example.

This isn't a Beckford bash.. It's merely wondering whether we can in fact, get better?

And here it is ladies an Gentleman...

All he does is score goals!

I knew it wouldn't be long!

[Haydos]

Of course it can... With the right scouting network and preparation.

Are you really saying that we couldn't sign somebody that has a better all round game than Jermaine has? Look at the table of Championship goal scorers this season. There are loads with far more goals than Beckford has scored. And with better all round footballing ability.

Again, Jason Roberts, for example, has scored more league goals than Beckford ALREADY..

Surely you're not that stupid mate? What's the point of scouts and coaches then?

No I'm not, read my post.

If it was that easy, why isn't every club immeasurably successful? It's easy for you to say that in hindsight. Where were all the people in the summer saying we should sign Jason Roberts and Ricky Lambert? You can't just pick some successful signings for other teams and first of all say we should sign players like that and second of all know that they'd have the same success here.

[seenitall]

Chaps, it wouldn't matter if Becks scored 40 goals all with his left ear, he will always be crap to most of this board. You would hope that 9from 6 games at home and a great strike against a premier league defence away would because for celebration, but not if Sven signed you it isn't and not if you had a tough time settling in to your new club and learning to play with the donkey midfield you now have to play with.

[crisp packet]

10 goals in his last 15 games for fooook sake .

Yet people still moan ?

Nugent 14 in 37 (1) Beckford 12 in 27 (7)

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Just support are players PLEASE!!!

[Guest Col city fan]

And here it is ladies an Gentleman...

All he does is score goals!

I knew it wouldn't be long!

You know what I'm saying Mack...

In fact, I said it in my initial post.....

Being a striker is about scoring goals of course but it's also about holding the ball up, bringing others into play, closing down, defending from the front and all that..

There is literally no point in attempting to discuss any of these aspects on here to be honest. Even when I'm attempting to give a positive slant to Beckford, people simply ignore the other parts of his game that are not so good.

There is no balance to so many views. I merely asked whether people think we can sign better, in terms of an all round game and, as usual, get branded anti Beckford.

Yet another OTT post from Seenitall above demonstrates this point perfectly.

[Happy Fox]

Beckford has convinced me enough that he can score goals at this level and at prem we would be daft to even consider selling him. The main concern in our team tbh is our wingers,Dyer does not do enough at all, Marshall needs time but has shown glimpses of what he can do so priority would be to get at least 2 quality wingers in the summer that can consistently deliver balls into rightful positions for Beckford and Nugent too attack. A target man that Beckford and Nugent could play alongside could massively help and we unfortunately do not even have that option available so signing a target man in the summer would be another priority and last but not least a DM to sweep the opposition.

[Guybino]

since 2012 he has scored 10 goals in 16 games

and every single game he has scored in since he came he we have won (apart from Chelsea)

he has scored 4 more goals than Nugent since january

he is quickly picking up form

but still

haterz gonna hate

[cc_star]

since 2012 he has scored 10 goals in 16 games

and every single game he has scored in since he came he we have won (apart from Chelsea)

he has scored 4 more goals than Nugent since january

he is quickly picking up form

but still

haterz gonna hate

6 goals in 29 league games (1 in 5) since he came here, of which

4 goals in 12 league games (1 in 3) are since the turn of the year

No hate from me... But even his much improved form (widely celebrated by a few on here) is short of the 1 in 2 that he was bought for.

Given that half the time he's happy to stand marked, shirk his responsibility and not be open to receive the pass (thus making the midfield look poor & something that Nugent has also been doing in weaker performances recently) and sometimes Beckford shows the control & ability to retain possession of an amateur. When he's on his game though, he's a fantastic asset - sadly it's not happened anywhere near enough in our shirt, as the team continues grow, get more balanced & be improved on I think Beckford could be immense, it's a shame he (largely speaking) hasn't been.

[Guest Col city fan]

6 goals in 29 league games (1 in 5) since he came here, of which

4 goals in 12 league games (1 in 3) are since the turn of the year

No hate from me... But even his much improved form (widely celebrated by a few on here) is short of the 1 in 2 that he was bought for.

Given that half the time he's happy to stand marked, shirk his responsibility and not be open to receive the pass (thus making the midfield look poor & something that Nugent has also been doing in weaker performances recently) and sometimes Beckford shows the control & ability to retain possession of an amateur. When he's on his game though, he's a fantastic asset - sadly it's not happened anywhere near enough in our shirt, as the team continues grow, get more balanced & be improved on I think Beckford could be immense, it's a shame he (largely speaking) hasn't been.

Good post star... Correct IMO. Essentially balanced.

With regards to the 'haterz' (is that how to spell haters?) take it for the crap it is.

No one hates Beckford or any other player I wouldn't imagine. We're just trying to give a point of view like everyone else does.

[Happy Fox]

Despite his limitations I would rather have him in the team than not, if he is not scoring goals then usually he provides an assist for Nugent and vice versa. Who knows he could be the player to score the winning goal at Elland Road and confirm the team in the playoffs

[Hirsty The Blue 94]

Not to be played as a lone striker as his hold up play and passing isn't great, cant fault his effort yesterday though, thought he worked hard throughout the game and even when Chelsea scored their third he turned to the fans to get us going again.

Think a 3 pronged attack could be an option next season, similar to the system Chelsea played yesterday, with a target man essential to invest in to hold the ball up when we have our backs against the wall.

Took his goal well yesterday and also forced Cech into another good save on the turn so I think criticism for yesterdays performance is unjustified.

[biggs]

Given that half the time he's happy to stand marked, shirk his responsibility and not be open to receive the pass (thus making the midfield look poor & something that and sometimes Beckford shows the control & ability to retain possession of an amateur. When he's on his game though, he's a fantastic asset - sadly it's not happened anywhere near enough in our shirt, as the team continues grow, get more balanced & be improved on I think Beckford could be immense, it's a shame he (largely speaking) hasn't been.

Agreed on all points and yes he has to start showing for the ball more and yes he could be immense for us. Tough game vs Chelsea yesterday and we were in tough to get back in the match after going down by 3 but in the 75 minute when we got one back enough of the love me, did you see what i just did. Show some urgency and at least appear that you think you can get back in the game. Grab the ball out of the net and get going. Celebrate a win not the goal.

[Guest Col city fan]

Despite his limitations I would rather have him in the team than not, if he is not scoring goals then usually he provides an assist for Nugent and vice versa. Who knows he could be the player to score the winning goal at Elland Road and confirm the team in the playoffs

Happy... You're usually good with the old stats.

Beckford has delivered 3 assists in the league this year.. Just 3...in 28 league appearances.

Not wanting to 'piss on anyone's parade' but look at the assist figures mate.

And no, I don't hate him....

[Mack]

You know what I'm saying Mack...

In fact, I said it in my initial post.....

Being a striker is about scoring goals of course but it's also about holding the ball up, bringing others into play, closing down, defending from the front and all that..

There is literally no point in attempting to discuss any of these aspects on here to be honest. Even when I'm attempting to give a positive slant to Beckford, people simply ignore the other parts of his game that are not so good.

There is no balance to so many views. I merely asked whether people think we can sign better, in terms of an all round game and, as usual, get branded anti Beckford.

Yet another OTT post from Seenitall above demonstrates this point perfectly.

Time to stick your hands up and admit you were wrong mate.

There is no shame in it!

The bloke has an eye for goal, and that's all that matters up top.

[Guest Col city fan]

Time to stick your hands up and admit you were wrong mate.

There is no shame in it!

The bloke has an eye for goal, and that's all that matters up top.

I admit I was wrong on my opinion of him taking chances. Recently, he has improved. There, is that clear?

But being a striker is not only about taking chances. It's about so much more than that Mack. I'm surprised you genuinely think this.

A good all round forward will score with his feet, with his head, will track back and defend where necessary and will hold the ball up to assist others. Look at the assist figures.

So yes mate, and no....

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Maybe we should call all the remainding league fixtures "FA Cup league fixtures" and Beckford will score a sh*t load, rather than the paltry league total he currently has