NP may get sacked?

[seenitall]

I really wish people would stop bringing up how many points off the playoffs we were near the beginning of the season, as if it means we were doing really well then, and we're not now. Yes, we were four points off the playoffs then, but at the same time, we were also only nine points above the relegation zone. We're 23 points above the relegation zone now. Would you say that means we're doing a lot better now?

I've already written about this a few times. It's not very difficult to be near the top of the table near the beginning of the season, compared to being near the top at the end of the season, because you don't have to win as many points. The gap in points right across the board is very small at the beginning of the season. For example, at the time you mentioned, Cov and Millwall were both in the relegation zone, and were both only 10 points off the playoffs.

Reading were not in the relegation zone when Sven was sacked. They were 14th.

The players Sven bought in last summer have had a whole season to bed in. All they've proven is that most of them aren't good enough. When you consider how much money has been spent on them, some of them have been incredibly expensive flops. If we really want overrated average Championship players, then we might as well pay them what their worth. Paying £5m for Mills and giving him £30k a week doesn't automatically make him a much better player than Morgan.

There were some good performances at the beginning of the season, e.g. Derby, Brighton, the first half at Forest, but there were also plenty of truly pathetic performances. How you can say we played well against Soton or Watford, I do not know. We were very lucky against the Saints, and we were the slightly less shit team against Watford, who were abysmal.

It's all down to management though - Chelsea are a good example of a massively underachieving team under an uninspiring manager - get someone who plays players in the right positions, get them believing and look what can be achieved - buck stops with the boss I'm afraid

[cosmos]

Relax everybody pearson is as good as gone, he won't make it to pre season, billy davies is already concidering becoming our next manager!

[cc_star]

It's all down to management though - Chelsea are a good example of a massively underachieving team under an uninspiring manager - get someone who plays players in the right positions, get them believing and look what can be achieved - buck stops with the boss I'm afraid

Interesting you use chelsea as an example, because it disproves your point

Chelsea have a long, but recent history of being a top 4 club & regularly appearing in cup finals

They employed a manager who took them below the norm

They then replaced that manager and have returned to their normal level (of being around the top 4 & in cup finals)

Our recent history is around 17th in the 2nd flight, a dip into the 3rd tier and then a blip up to 5th in the 2nd flight

This season we haven't dipped below our norm

We had a manager who was employed to buy the league, he was dispensed with after a year in the job and he'd barely got us higher than 14th the whole time he was here.

We have now returned to the one bright-spot of the past decade & yes it's obviously disappointing to still be where we are, but it's not really a deviation from our normal position of the past decade, and there are many mitigating circumstances which has culminated in the current situation.

[seenitall]

Interesting you use chelsea as an example, because it disproves your point

Chelsea have a long, but recent history of being a top 4 club & regularly appearing in cup finals

They employed a manager who took them below the norm

They then replaced that manager and have returned to their normal level (of being around the top 4 & in cup finals)

Our recent history is around 17th in the 2nd flight, a dip into the 3rd tier and then a blip up to 5th in the 2nd flight

This season we haven't dipped below our norm

We had a manager who was employed to buy the league, he was dispensed with after a year in the job and he'd barely got us higher than 14th the whole time he was here.

We have now returned to the one bright-spot of the past decade & yes it's obviously disappointing to still be where we are, but it's not really a deviation from our normal position of the past decade, and there are many mitigating circumstances which has culminated in the current situation.

Hmmm - no wonder you didn't like him, I don't think we dropped below 14th the whole time he was here

Below is last years finish

8 Burnley 46 12 6 5 40 30 6 8 9 25 31 +4 68 9 Millwall 46 12 6 5 39 22 6 7 10 23 26 +14 67 10 Leicester City 46 13 6 4 48 27 6 4 13 28 44 +5 67 11 Hull City 46 7 8 8 21 19 9 9 5 31 32 +1 65 12 Middlesbrough 46 10 7 6 37 32 7 4 12 31 36 0 62

And here is 1 game before the Millwall game that he got sacked for

1 Southampton 12 6 0 0 16 4 2 2 2 11 9 +14 26 2 West Ham Utd 12 3 1 2 11 7 3 2 1 11 4 +11 21 3 Middlesbrough 12 1 5 0 7 5 4 1 1 7 3 +6 21 4 Derby County 12 3 2 1 11 5 3 1 2 6 9 +3 21 5 Crystal Palace 12 3 2 1 8 5 3 0 3 9 7 +5 20 6 Ipswich Town 12 4 0 2 11 8 2 2 2 7 11 -1 20 7 Peterborough 12 4 0 2 16 9 2 1 3 8 10 +5 19 8 Blackpool 12 4 1 1 12 4 1 3 2 6 10 +4 19 9 Leicester City 12 4 0 2 11 6 1 4 1 4 5 +4 19 10 Brighton 12 2 3 1 10 9 3 1 2 7 6 +2 19 11 Leeds United 11 4 1 1 11 6 1 2 2 10 10 +5 18 12 Hull City 11 3 0 2 4 3 2 3 1 5 6 0 18

You do support Leicester right and not Bristol City or someone?

[Haydos]

I trust Pearson will be happy to cut his own overpaid salary then? I don't think so somehow.

That of course, is if he is still here.

Yeah, it's probably his fault for accepting a really well paid job in a difficult industry. What an absolute willy puller.

[Guest nathan.]

Relax everybody pearson is as good as gone, he won't make it to pre season, billy davies is already concidering becoming our next manager!

Shut up

[cc_star]

You do support Leicester right and not Bristol City or someone?

Why not answer my point, instead of carefully selecting some stats?

If you want to go down the stats route

Here is a table from last season, it counts all the games following our 'just like Brazil 2-0 win at Pride Park' through to the end of the season

As you can see we're sitting in 15th for the final 3 months of the season

what about this season you say, surely £15m++ of transfers, fees & wages would have turned that around?

It certainly did... No more 15th for us, we climbed the dizzy heights all the way up to 14th under your hero's tenure-ship... Perhaps he should get a statue outside the ground?

You do support Leicester right, not Swansea, Reading, Cardiff or someone?

Anyway, back on to your Chelsea point that you side-stepped????

[dannythefox]

It wouldn't surprised me if we wasn't where we wanted to be after 12 games but I do feel he needs to be given the full season next season.

[seenitall]

Why not answer my point, instead of carefully selecting some stats?

If you want to go down the stats route

Here is a table from last season, it counts all the games following our 'just like Brazil 2-0 win at Pride Park' through to the end of the season

As you can see we're sitting in 15th for the final 3 months of the season

what about this season you say, surely £15m++ of transfers, fees & wages would have turned that around?

It certainly did... No more 15th for us, we climbed the dizzy heights all the way up to 14th under your hero's tenure-ship... Perhaps he should get a statue outside the ground?

You do support Leicester right, not Swansea, Reading, Cardiff or someone?

Anyway, back on to your Chelsea point that you side-stepped????

Well most of this is wrong isn't it? How can the final 3 months of the season be after 15 games - remember we were bottom after 9 games??????

Don't know where you got these tables from but imagine if we'd had 20 points after 13 games, we could have been 4th like Birmingham - FFS

As for Chelsea, the point I made is valid - poor managers pick the wrong team, fall out with players and under perform - the current manager has them believing and thats why they are in 2 cup finals - the manager makes the difference, and that was in half as many games as golden Nige - you won't believe it until next season and that is fine - but we will probably finish lower than last year - and that is mainly Niges doing

[Babylon]

As for Chelsea, the point I made is valid - poor managers pick the wrong team, fall out with players and under perform - the current manager has them believing and thats why they are in 2 cup finals - the manager makes the difference, and that was in half as many games as golden Nige - you won't believe it until next season and that is fine - but we will probably finish lower than last year - and that is mainly Niges doing

It's valid if the manager takes over a team of proven quality, in this instance Pearson took over a team that had proven average here and average elsewhere as individuals.

If Sven was so good why did he not get more out of the team Pearson left behind, the one that had actually proven themselves.

[seenitall]

It's valid if the manager takes over a team of proven quality, in this instance Pearson took over a team that had proven average here and average elsewhere as individuals.

If Sven was so good why did he not get more out of the team Pearson left behind, the one that had actually proven themselves.

ERm, are you aware of a manager we had called Paulo Sousa - you always seem to forget him. Sven's team averaged the same points from when he took over as Niges the season before, around 1.65, but the damage had already been done. it's a moot point I know but the blind faith in Nige because of a good run 2 years ago is frightening

[flowwolf]

Stats go flying out of the window if you actually sat through the last to games. Because that is what we are really talking about . Piss poor hoofball style of football that tells you all you need to know. The reality is West ham were nothing special but still managed to make us look third best. I find it hard to believe people still think Captain Baffled will suddenly change his style of football and realistically challenge for promotion next season. It's just not going to happen because a Leopard wearing dug out canoes for trainers cannot change it's spots.

[Haydos]

Stats go flying out of the window if you actually sat through the last to games. Because that is what we are really talking about . Piss poor hoofball style of football that tells you all you need to know. The reality is West ham were nothing special but still managed to make us look third best. I find it hard to believe people still think Captain Baffled will suddenly change his style of football and realistically challenge for promotion next season. It's just not going to happen because a Leopard wearing dug out canoes for trainers cannot change it's spots.

3 times in 3 posts

[Out Foxed]

just checking my sig

[flowwolf]

3 times in 3 posts

Get it ? got it ? Good. :thumbup: :thumbup:

[cc_star]

Well most of this is wrong isn't it? How can the final 3 months of the season be after 15 games - remember we were bottom after 9 games??????

Don't know where you got these tables from but imagine if we'd had 20 points after 13 games, we could have been 4th like Birmingham - FFS

As for Chelsea, the point I made is valid - poor managers pick the wrong team, fall out with players and under perform - the current manager has them believing and thats why they are in 2 cup finals - the manager makes the difference, and that was in half as many games as golden Nige - you won't believe it until next season and that is fine - but we will probably finish lower than last year - and that is mainly Niges doing

What are you talking about

Exactly as it says... first image is a table for the final 3 months of the season, starting after our dazzling display away at Derby (where we got found out at half time), so it's a league table from mid-feb to may or whenever the season ended.

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Over a relatively long period of recent history Chelsea were proven to be a top4 team and regularly in cup finals

They appointed a manager who took them well, well below that,

They then change the manager and return to their normal position of being around the top4 and in cup finals.

that's exactly where the team have proven they're capable of being

For the past decade we've mostly been about 3/4qtrs of they way down the 2nd flight, we had one season in the 3rd tier, and 1 season up to the dizzying heights of 5th

So Sven, despite the millions in loan fees & wages last season and the even more millions in transfer & signing fees & wages this season lead us to rise from our norm of 3/4qtrs of the way down the table up to the dizzying heights of slightly below mid-table. Amazing.

No wonder you're so dazzled by that awesomeness and blind faith it's causing you, that you can't see the wood for the trees.

[seenitall]

Ahhh, see what you did now - would have been better if all the clubs had played 15 games but you've got to get the point across I suppose. Would be really interesting to see the same for the last 15 games of this season as well

[chris_lcfc_85]

ERm, are you aware of a manager we had called Paulo Sousa - you always seem to forget him. Sven's team averaged the same points from when he took over as Niges the season before, around 1.65, but the damage had already been done. it's a moot point I know but the blind faith in Nige because of a good run 2 years ago is frightening

Yes we had Sousa but why did Sven choose to get rid of Hobbs, Morrison and Fryatt when they'd done nothing wrong....

These were consistent under NP and have proved their quality since but Sven wanted to spend millions and millions on players no better!! These players are proog NP can and will find talent for far lower price/wages

[cc_star]

Ahhh, see what you did now - would have been better if all the clubs had played 15 games but you've got to get the point across I suppose. Would be really interesting to see the same for the last 15 games of this season as well

It's a table from the date I mentioned, to the end of the season... Sorry I couldn't be in charge of the fixtures computer, I will try harder this summer.

But just for you... Here's exactly the same table this season generated from exactly the same 15th Feb date as I used in the above table

I'm still not sure what you can't see

Somehow you're still star struck... It must have struck you hard

[seenitall]

It's a table from the date I mentioned, to the end of the season... Sorry I couldn't be in charge of the fixtures computer, I will try harder this summer.

But just for you... Here's exactly the same table this season generated from exactly the same 15th Feb date as I used in the above table

I'm still not sure what you can't see

Somehow you're still star struck... It must have struck you hard

I am converted - Nige is the man

[Guest Col city fan]

I am converted - Nige is the man

You're always good for a laff Seenitall....

[seenitall]

Well it looks like we're stuck with him, and this evidence is damning of the last regime and fairly conclusive evidence that he is good enough for the top 6 - why wouldn't I believe?

[FrankieADZ]

Well it looks like we're stuck with him, and this evidence is damning of the last regime and fairly conclusive evidence that he is good enough for the top 6 - why wouldn't I believe?

as believing is seeing?

...and you only see what you want to perhaps?

[seenitall]

Maybe you're right Frankie, I was blind but now I see

[cc_star]

Maybe you're right Frankie, I was blind but now I see

Let's put it all behind us... and get behind Billy Davies/Paulo Sousa joint management team for the coming season