Student Season Tickets

[The Year Of The Fox]

I'm awaiting more verbal personal abuse now, as they won't have any answer to the five posts above

[yorkie1999]

My eldest daughter's a student and i'll be buying her ticket, so don't worry, at least they'll be one student at the kp next season.

[Bettsj2]

My eldest daughter's a student and i'll be buying her ticket, so don't worry, at least they'll be one student at the kp next season.

Let me know where her seat is.

Apparantly they cant afford to shower so I wanna stay well clear.

[The Year Of The Fox]

*Grammar - get it right please, my spelling is rather good actually and I don't need to use a spellchecker unlike you.

When have I used a spell check?

Can you please enlighten me as to when I was often 'ridiculed for my spelling etc when I first joined this forum' (despite me joining the forum months before you?)

[yorkie1999]

Let me know where her seat is.

Apparantly they cant afford to shower so I wanna stay well clear.

Thats easy to sort out, just chuck em out in the rain with a bottle of car shampoo!

[Dylan]

I'll remember that when i'm building houses, without 'uneducated' people like me you wouldn't have a house to live in, i'll charge people like you double as I didn't get student prices.

who built the doctors surgery ?? oh the bricklayer who did his apprentice on low money but paid out full for his season ticket..

Equally when your grandmas boiler breaks down in the height of winter, remember the uneducated twat who went round to fix it

But we don't owe you yet. They say that too many people think the world owes them a living. Here's a prime example. For every student graduating and living in to a career as you mentioned above, there will be x amount who don't.

If you do become the next Louis Pasteur then fair enough. You will be earning your corn then, and yes the world would rightly owe you. Gaining entry into university does not mean we owe you. We're talking about a season ticket here, not you being (completely) priced out of education (again)

Is a season ticket vital in you developing your career? No! You have chosen the honourable path you're going down, and knew what would be entailed in going to uni ie. Long study hours, not enough time to work (according to some), and allegedly not enough spare cash! So why should we subsidise something which everyone else regards as a luxury?

Fair do's, everyone has their part to play in society and didn't say otherwise, but the point I was trying to make is we should be encouraging people to go to University. The more educated of a population we have, the better the economy will be... And just to be a ****, no houses/buildings would be safely built without expert knowledge in architecture/engineering.

And just to show you, may be from a few years back, but a few positive benefits on the Economy of Universities- http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2009/nov/04/higher-education-uk-economy

And for the last time, YOU are not subsidising anything. No one said that your season ticket prices are higher to pay for lower prices for students so please stop with that bullshit.

[21st Century Fox]

Has anyone ever thought that student discounts aren't anything to do with moral obligation, privilege or entitlement but it's a way for a business with a unique kind of brand loyalty to put a key demographic, that may not be able to afford to other into the stadium with a view to holding onto them and their future potential as high earners??

In this case the money being lost though abuse of the system, the difficulty in policing it or the general financial situation isn't worth it for now.

[The Year Of The Fox]

Fair do's, everyone has their part to play in society and didn't say otherwise, but the point I was trying to make is we should be encouraging people to go to University. The more educated of a population we have, the better the economy will be... And just to be a ****, no houses/buildings would be safely built without expert knowledge in architecture/engineering.

And just to show you, may be from a few years back, but a few positive benefits on the Economy of Universities- http://www.guardian....tion-uk-economy

And for the last time, YOU are not subsidising anything. No one said that your season ticket prices are higher to pay for lower prices for students so please stop with that bullshit.

To be fair I didn't mean that. I meant why should you have something everyone else regards as a luxury subsidised

[Dylan]

To be fair I didn't mean that. I meant why should you have something everyone else regards as a luxury subsidised

I may seem like a **** for saying this, but why should OAP's get cheaper prices then?

[yorkie1999]

I may seem like a **** for saying this, but why should OAP's get cheaper prices then?

Because they've probably invested 40-50 years worth of money into the club and deserve a concession because of their commitment, whereas you've probably invested about 2 years of your own money and commitment into the club.

[The Year Of The Fox]

I may seem like a **** for saying this, but why should OAP's get cheaper prices then?

See below, as well as that they're in the twilight of their life. They've done their time. You (and myself) haven't even started yet!

[Dylan]

Because they've probably invested 40-50 years worth of money into the club and deserve a concession because of their commitment, whereas you've probably invested about 2 years of your own money and commitment into the club.

Who said they have? They may be first-time buyers?

And are you saying that students haven't shown commitment, travelling up and down the country to follow their team? As someone said earlier, giving no student prices may outprice some from supporting their team and they could lose fans forever.

[Dylan]

See below, as well as that they're in the twilight of their life. They've done their time. You (and myself) haven't even started yet!

Playing devils advocate here as I do believe in cheaper OAP prices... but as someone said earlier the club is a business and doesn't care so why would it matter whether they're in the 'twilight of their life' or just beginning life?

[yorkie1999]

Who said they have? They may be first-time buyers?

And are you saying that students haven't shown commitment, travelling up and down the country to follow their team? As someone said earlier, giving no student prices may outprice some from supporting their team and they could lose fans forever.

No-one said they had, just probably, and i can almost guarantee that 99% of students haven't shown 40-50 years worth of commitment and investment in the club.

Yes you are correct in saying it may lose some fans forever, but there again it may not. There's an arguement saying it could increase numbers.

[The Year Of The Fox]

Playing devils advocate here as I do believe in cheaper OAP prices... but as someone said earlier the club is a business and doesn't care so why would it matter whether they're in the 'twilight of their life' or just beginning life?

I don't know! It's just the done thing. The same way that you'd hold a door open for an elderly person. They might not need it, they could probably manage, but its the done thing!

I realise (although obviously disgaree in most situations) that its also the done thing to offer students discounts. The club are doing one thing for one generation and nothing for another. So I can see why you're miffed. But then, as some speculated (regarding the reason for removal of student prices), its a lot easier to pretend you're a student than it is to pretend you're an OAP.

Forget that I can't stand the arrogance in some students for one minute. This thread has really opened my eyes as to how cheap it was for a student to have a ST at Filbert Way. I admit, I've never bothered to even look at their prices as they've never been relevant to me. One of my mates recently graduated from Liverpool Uni. He never had a season ticket but we used to smuggle him into our part of the ground. (he had paid for a ticket before you moan) He's a year younger than me, maybe twp, but I'd be pretty pissed off if he'd have sat next to me at a game, knowing it had cost me £390 (for last season) and him £100 ish-complete guess (for last season) He's a year or so younger than me, and would take up just as much room as me (probably more as he has long hair) yet pays half the cost. To view the same thing?!

[Dylan]

I don't know! It's just the done thing. The same way that you'd hold a door open for an elderly person. They might not need it, they could probably manage, but its the done thing!

I realise (although obviously disgaree in most situations) that its also the done thing to offer students discounts. The club are doing one thing for one generation and nothing for another. So I can see why you're miffed. But then, as some speculated (regarding the reason for removal of student prices), its a lot easier to pretend you're a student than it is to pretend you're an OAP.

Forget that I can't stand the arrogance in some students for one minute. This thread has really opened my eyes as to how cheap it was for a student to have a ST at Filbert Way. I admit, I've never bothered to even look at their prices as they've never been relevant to me. One of my mates recently graduated from Liverpool Uni. He never had a season ticket but we used to smuggle him into our part of the ground. (he had paid for a ticket before you moan) He's a year younger than me, maybe twp, but I'd be pretty pissed off if he'd have sat next to me at a game, knowing it had cost me £390 (for last season) and him £100 ish-complete guess (for last season) He's a year or so younger than me, and would take up just as much room as me (probably more as he has long hair) yet pays half the cost. To view the same thing?!

But then I'm guessing you'd be in a position to work full-time meaning your income would be much more at that time than his, as he is in no position to work full time as he's studying full time meaning his income is significantly less. The club should be looking to attract as many groups of people as possible to boost attendances/revenue and think this will only harm it, and cause grievances against the club from many loyal fans.

[The Year Of The Fox]

But then I'm guessing you'd be in a position to work full-time meaning your income would be much more at that time than his, as he is in no position to work full time as he's studying full time meaning his income is significantly less. The club should be looking to attract as many groups of people as possible to boost attendances/revenue and think this will only harm it, and cause grievances against the club from many loyal fans.

But this has been my point throughout.* see below* I bought a house! (yes I know I'm not the only one!) So do you also offer fans who have to pay mortgages/rent discounts too? I was (and still am) at college doing a Level 3 Apprenticeship, so you could claim to some point that I deserve a double discount! But I don't deserve anything. You can either afford it or you can't (not just students) Its just life unfortunately. Granted, if ALL English clubs decided not to have our pants down with all their extortionate prices, a 12 year old coupld pay for their own ticket with earnings from their paperound. Unfortunately, we're all being ripped off, some to a greater extent than others

I agree with your last sentance. They would be better off keeping a discount and letting a few fake students slip through the net at the cost of a couple of hundred quid a season rather than have an empty seat. But that's why they should just have age brackets

* Once you graduate, you may have a short time at home with your parents, then you'll be getting your own place. So though you may earn more money staright away, by the time you've got your own place and paying off your student loan, its very likely your disposable income will be around the same as everyone else's! Meaning that the STs will always seem expensive!

[flowwolf]

Presumably you aren’t this acerbic and hostile to them? Your “big wide world” stuff is patronising. I did a foundation year at the start of my degree. It’s akin to an Access Course. The significant majority of those people were middle-aged, starting a career change. Many of them had reasonably good jobs which they were temporarily putting on hold (or reducing the number of hours they did) while they were studying. To suggest that these people know less about “the big wide world” than non-students is ludicrous.

Crap analogy. To make the analogy work, the facts must be like this: The Minister for Tourism in Barbados decided that, because Barbados was only at 2 thirds of its intended tourist capacity, that he would offer concessionary rates for countries who were initiating harsh austerity measures following a recession but showed signs of economic growth, knowing that if he got them hooked on Barbados now, they would be sure to spend more money there when they had more surplus cash. It would also mean that an otherwise “untapped” market could go there, meaning the number of people there was higher, thus increasing the overall appeal of Barbados.

He says he will do this for as long as he believes the recession will last, and you (hypothetically being from one the countries he has made provisions for) enjoy a trip every year for 3 years for the concessionary price. The Germans are pissed because they have to pay full price due to their economic prosperity.

But the Minister then triples your price, making it the same as what the Germans pay, because some people were pretending to be from one of the countries covered in the scheme when they weren’t, and the administrative and logistical task of checking was too much, and the Germans complained so much that it was the divs in the economically under-performing countries that put themselves in that mess; they chose to overspend, they chose to borrow more than they could pay back, they chose to invest their cash wrongly, and even if trying to fix that now they are the ones who have chosen to enforce such stringent austerity measures limiting the amount of surplus cash around.

“Why should we subsidise them; it’s not our fault they made bad decisions!” they roared with a fervent zeal and bitterness, resentful of the idea that even though they are struggling now, the countries with a growth plan which results in a lack of disposable income for Joe Public in the immediate future but concentrates on long-term growth might one day result in a higher contribution to the global coffers than their own.

Expected better from you Daggers. Look at the post I quoted immediately above (one example of many). There have been some personal insults flying on from both “sides”; don’t count the hits and not the misses

You assume that a job creates surplus cash for students. Many students, me included, need a job just to make up the rest of accommodation cost. And I go to a University in a relatively small city. In London and the nearby counties (although there is a small increase in loan and grant size which partially accounts for the inflated prices) it is unbelievably difficult to get by on just the loans, especially if you only get the minimum amount.

This is no more than ignorance of facts. You have no idea what situation most students find themselves in. I was working 60 hour weeks before Uni, and with my job and Uni combined I easily do more than that now. I have all of the obligations I did before I went to University, except for now I have the additional burden of purchasing the books on a mandatory reading list, as well as all the materials required for the submission and completion of assignments (just one assignment cost me £15 just in printing costs plus at least that amount again in materials). That’s just one assignment, of which there are dozens in an academic year, and I do a subject which is not material-intensive (people on Fashion or Textile courses will tell you how much they spend on materials).

I have more outgoings now than I did when I was working full-time; I still have to pay rent and bills, and I still have to eat. What on earth do you think happens when you become a student?

This is so short-sighted. It’s not just students that are affected by this. As a result of me not being able to go, my father won’t go (he won’t attend on his own, as it has been a father & son activity for years). As such, none of our family is going. Of course this is just one personal story and could be a unique case, but I strongly suspect that there are others in a similar situation.

You are arguing against yourself. You already acknowledge that there are rows of empty seats. Do you think that the new measures are likely to increase the number of empty seats or decrease the number of empty seats? You appear to hold the belief that the honest majority should be punished for the actions of a handful of transgressors. Is this correct?

So far off the mark it’s unbelievable. I am amazed that, being part of a financially burdensome minority, that you can take such an insensitive view. It’s about the purchasing power of the individual. An able adult is still able to work full time even if at the current time he has no occupation and therefore no income. A full time student cannot (in the majority of cases) work full time even if he wants to.

Exactly the same thing happens with every special rate. There are people who use someone else’s senior ticket despite being below the required age. There are young-looking people in their 20s claiming to be youths. Would you advocate scrapping every concessionary rate for this reason? And if your response is that you should show your ID to prove your age, what is wrong with having to show your student ID to prove that you are a student? Once again, you want to have your cake and eat it too.

I cannot disagree with any of this.

Ever thought of getting your Dad to buy you a ticket instead of expecting the world to pick up your tab ?

[Guest MarshallForEngland]

You my dear either have too much time on your hands or you need to get laid

If you have nothing productive to bring to the table, the best thing to do is simply not say anything. Personal jibes do not belong in a rational discussion between adults.

Fair enough points, but the main point still stands- if a student can't afford to go its no different to a non student being unable to afford to go! Whats the big deal? They/you deserve no more than the next person

Our viewpoints are mutually exclusive, so if my points are "fair enough" then yours are inherently the opposite of that. The "main point" to which you refer is exactly the one which is most important. Clearly students are different; if I could afford to go to away games I would get a student concession at a significant number of them. I can still get a student discount at many high-street shops and food outlets. Why do any of these enterprises feel the need to do it do you think? Does your stance on student discount at Leicester apply to all of these organisations too? Do you feel just as strongly about me getting 10% off at Topshop or a free burger at McDonalds?

This thread was interesting at the start but now it's boiled down to students sounding like they've swallowed a thesaurus and trying to patronise the working man, and the working man sounding like some righteous bigot who thinks everyone should 'get down pit'.

In all honesty, yes the price rise for some people seems excessive. On the phone in, a chap was on saying that his kids ticket has gone up 100%. That is obviously a heavy price hike, but even saying that, I find it hard to believe that the money cant be found if they really want to go. That goes for students and workers. £300 over the course of a year is not much at all. Buy it on your overdraft or credit card and pay it back over the course of a year if you REALLY want to go. If you dont, just go to a game every so often. If people are that hard up for cash then you should be making savings anyway and a season ticket to the football isnt exactly life dependant.

I find this incredible. You have correctly identified a major flaw in the "it's only £x.xx extra per week" argument; you can't pay for it in this way. And the only way you could pay for it in that way is to make the daft decision of borrowing money when you are already in a large amount of debt, so that you can buy it up front and pay it back (with interest).

Because they've probably invested 40-50 years worth of money into the club and deserve a concession because of their commitment, whereas you've probably invested about 2 years of your own money and commitment into the club.

You have no evidence for any of these claims. Read my above responses. A senior citizen who is buying a season ticket for the first time will always pay a discounted rate and never contribute as much as somebody half his age who works full time (like Dylan I am playing "devil's advocate" as I agree with concessions for seniors too). He could spend the next 30 years paying a concessionary rate. A student has a temporary period of usually 3 years, possibly one or two more depending the course, after which he is likely to put more money in the coffers.

I am yet to see an actual argument in favour of the recent price-change for students, and I notice that nobody has even tried to defend the 200% jump as opposed to a staggered change. All I have seen is some pretty awful generalisations about students and young people in general, a lot of bitterness and resentment (not directing this at you personally yorkie) and a lot of ignorance about the real situation students find themselves in.

I love this football club and have been watching them for as long as I can remember, but sometimes I am embarrassed to be part of a group of people who think like this. Not one person has said "If it gets more people in to our lifeless stadium then I am all for it" or "I want everybody who wants to watch Leicester to be able to" or "I want what's best for the club." There's been no compassion, no sensitivity, and no understanding whatsoever. Disappointing. Maybe with no natural rival we have to argue amongst ourselves.

[yorkie1999]

Look on the bright side, at least they'll be a bit of extra study time on saturday afternoons.

[flowwolf]

*Grammar - get it right please, my spelling is rather good actually and I don't need to use a spellchecker unlike you.

When are you going to grow up ? all this f ing and blinding does not make you point any stronger it just makes you look like a angry little boy who has had his bicycle stolen.

Do you look like your avatar, a snarling lobotomized Mr Angry ? :o :o

[Guest MarshallForEngland]

Ever thought of getting your Dad to buy you a ticket instead of expecting the world to pick up your tab ?

Can I assume from the lack of substance in this dire excuse of a response that you acknowledge the truth in everything that I have said?

[caz05]

If you have nothing productive to bring to the table, the best thing to do is simply not say anything. Personal jibes do not belong in a rational discussion between adults.

Our viewpoints are mutually exclusive, so if my points are "fair enough" then yours are inherently the opposite of that. The "main point" to which you refer is exactly the one which is most important. Clearly students are different; if I could afford to go to away games I would get a student concession at a significant number of them. I can still get a student discount at many high-street shops and food outlets. Why do any of these enterprises feel the need to do it do you think? Does your stance on student discount at Leicester apply to all of these organisations too? Do you feel just as strongly about me getting 10% off at Topshop or a free burger at McDonalds?

I find this incredible. You have correctly identified a major flaw in the "it's only £x.xx extra per week" argument; you can't pay for it in this way. And the only way you could pay for it in that way is to make the daft decision of borrowing money when you are already in a large amount of debt, so that you can buy it up front and pay it back (with interest).

You have no evidence for any of these claims. Read my above responses. A senior citizen who is buying a season ticket for the first time will always pay a discounted rate and never contribute as much as somebody half his age who works full time (like Dylan I am playing "devil's advocate" as I agree with concessions for seniors too). He could spend the next 30 years paying a concessionary rate. A student has a temporary period of usually 3 years, possibly one or two more depending the course, after which he is likely to put more money in the coffers.

I am yet to see an actual argument in favour of the recent price-change for students, and I notice that nobody has even tried to defend the 200% jump as opposed to a staggered change. All I have seen is some pretty awful generalisations about students and young people in general, a lot of bitterness and resentment (not directing this at you personally yorkie) and a lot of ignorance about the real situation students find themselves in.

I love this football club and have been watching them for as long as I can remember, but sometimes I am embarrassed to be part of a group of people who think like this. Not one person has said "If it gets more people in to our lifeless stadium then I am all for it" or "I want everybody who wants to watch Leicester to be able to" or "I want what's best for the club." There's been no compassion, no sensitivity, and no understanding whatsoever. Disappointing. Maybe with no natural rival we have to argue amongst ourselves.

Oh get a sense of humour all this essay writing makes you a dull boy

[flowwolf]

Has anyone ever thought that student discounts aren't anything to do with moral obligation, privilege or entitlement but it's a way for a business with a unique kind of brand loyalty to put a key demographic, that may not be able to afford to other into the stadium with a view to holding onto them and their future potential as high earners??

In this case the money being lost though abuse of the system, the difficulty in policing it or the general financial situation isn't worth it for now.

I understand what you say 21st but don't the club also owe the full paying ticket holders equality ? Don't we have the right to say to the club, people are cheating and paying less than me what are you going to do about it ? The acceptance of cheating paying the price that everyone else has too is the road to anarchy.

Personally I don'y give a monkeys about any students future allegiance to the club it is all hypothetical and has no bearing on the issue being discussed now. If they are true fans they will come back when they can afford it like everyone else.

[Guest MarshallForEngland]

Oh get a sense of humour all this essay writing makes you a dull boy

What do your banal remarks have to do with humour? If your paltry contributions are entirely bereft of one thing it's humour. Do you not see the difference between what you are writing and what other people on this thread have written? If you don't have a point about this topic, why must you insist on having your mundane and outdated jokes about "getting laid" and "having too much spare time" read by the people who do?