Scottish Independence Poll

[ADK]

Quebec is an interesting case study, they've had two referendums the last one was almost level for yes an no, yet no is now more popular and another referendum isn't expected soon while polls show young people over there want to stay in Canada.

[Guest MattP]

Here's the video of what I was talking about earlier, the news channels seem to be putting it among the headlines now. Two Jags at his absolute best.

http://www.itv.com/news/2014-09-10/john-prescott-suggests-england-and-scotland-should-have-one-football-team/

 

Who seriously though it was a good idea..

 

1) To send this outdated buffoon up in the first place

2) Seriously think saying the England and Scotland football teams should merge is a good thing whether joking or not (for the record I'm not sure he is)

 

If the Tories did this they would be accused of intentionally trying to rouse the Scots into a Yes vote.

[johnny the fox]

Let's be honest a 49-51% vote to the No side is just going to result in another referendum in 3-4 years time, unless it's a convincing No vote we are probably just delaying the inevitable.

 

Good read from John Major today on how no one should weep for Labout given it's their rhetoric that has massively helped ramp up nationalism on the north side of the border, I was going to link the original interview in the Times but you have to be a subscriber to read it. So the Mail will have to do.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2750517/No-one-weep-Labour-Scotland-votes-independence-Former-PM-John-Major-says-divisive-attacks-Tories-fuelled-nationalist-campaign.html

The finger pointing has started.. the fact is, it wasThatcherism which was the main factor in all this... his big hero..  to suggest big bad labour and the snp bullied the tories all the time thus undermining the poor conservatives is a major fookin hoot..ha ha.

[Houdini Logic]

Send the clowns up and let us both unite in our general hatred for politicians

[separator]

The boss of BP has now publicly backed the better together campaign, urging the Scots not to gamble with their economic future.

 

http://news.sky.com/story/1333388/scottish-vote-bp-says-no-to-independence

 

he also stated that there is probably about 15 years worth of oil production left in the North Sea, BP being a major player out there.

 

On the other hand, a Yes vote could reduce energy bills south of the border due to us not subsidising the Scottish renewable energy production.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29142390

 

Interesting times ahead whatever happens

[Sir Fynwy]

It seems that the Tories might try to delay the general election by a year if there is a Yes vote, I can't see how that can be a good thing.

[Buce]

It seems that the Tories might try to delay the general election by a year if there is a Yes vote, I can't see how that can be a good thing.

The Jocks leaving the Union will create a constitutional nightmare.

[Guest MattP]

It seems that the Tories might try to delay the general election by a year if there is a Yes vote, I can't see how that can be a good thing.

 

Surely it would be sensible to do so?

 

Would be a bit daft to have an election where the Scottish MP's become illegitimate less than a year into the term and a whole population voting for a government for which they will be no part of.

[Webbo]

It seems that the Tories might try to delay the general election by a year if there is a Yes vote, I can't see how that can be a good thing.

I seriously doubt any govt would try to arbitrarily extend a parliament. I'm almost certain it would be illegal, not going to happen.

[Buce]

Surely it would be sensible to do so?

Would be a bit daft to have an election where the Scottish MP's become illegitimate less than a year into the term and a whole population voting for a government for which they will be no part of.

Is there any legal precedent, Matt?

[Sir Fynwy]

I seriously doubt any govt would try to arbitrarily extend a parliament. I'm almost certain it would be illegal, not going to happen.

It's a rumour doing the rounds of political journalists on the web though.

[Guest MattP]

Is there any legal precedent, Matt?

 

Apart from the delays due to great wars I don't think so. It would seem a bit daft though considering the date for independence is set at March 2016. It's looking virtually impossible for either side to gain a majority here let alone with Scotland so we would certainly be having elections in both May 2015 and May 2016 if they didn't.

 

Webbo might be right though, Cameron might have to go with it anyway due to the accusations he would get of clinging onto power. Could be farcical.

[Webbo]

It's a rumour doing the rounds of political journalists on the web though.

When you say "political journalists" are we talking about heavyweight writers who work for respectable papers or left wing bloggers that like to pretend we're living in a dictatorship?

[Sir Fynwy]

A bit of both from what I've seen (Mail, Guardian, Huffpost etc)

[Guest MattP]

Post the links up I'd like a read.

[Sir Fynwy]

Post the links up I'd like a read.

Search yourself it's hardly difficult

[Guest MattP]

Just did. Can't find anything that backs up what you said.

[Sir Fynwy]

Just did. Can't find anything that backs up what you said.

It's not my fault you can't search, here is one to get you going http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-independence/scottish-independence-what-happens-if-scotland-votes-yes-9719516.html

[Webbo]

Some MPs now suggest they will call for legislation to be introduced to postpone the election in the event of a yes vote. 

Former Labour MP Eric Joyce, now an independent, said the election would ¿surely be cancelled¿

 

Former Labour MP Eric Joyce, now an independent, said the election would ‘surely be cancelled’

It would be the first time since 1940, a year into the second world war, that a general election would have been postponed.

Former Labour MP Eric Joyce, now an independent, said the election would ‘surely be cancelled’, adding: ‘An English parliamentary election would be an entirely new proposition for voters south of the new border.

‘There could meanwhile be no question that, for example, Labour might win a UK election by a small majority, only to see a Tory government and prime minister take power in England without an election once the Scots had departed. 

'Moreover, the notion of Scottish MPs voting on England-only matters while the whole parliament was consumed by Scots extracting themselves from the union would be nonsensical and unmanageable.’

Angus Robertson, SNP leader at Westminster, called last year for a delay in the election to allow the negotiations on separation to take place. 

But the House of Lords constitution select committee raised doubts about a delay, saying: ‘The extension of a parliament beyond five years ... may risk being seen by voters as self-serving, extending the time in power of the current government.’ 

 

 

Found this.  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2747319/2015-General-Election-postponed-Labour-win-means-d-charge-zombie-government-power-thanks-Scottish-MPs-swept-away-Scotland-leaves-union.html

 

It seems the only people suggesting it are an ex Labour MP and a member of the SNP.

[Webbo]

It's not my fault you can't search, here is one to get you going http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-independence/scottish-independence-what-happens-if-scotland-votes-yes-9719516.html

Pure speculation and no suggestion that it's the tories want it to happen.

[Guest MattP]

Sorry I was searching for something that related to this. Again I'd be grateful if you could post something.

It seems that the Tories might try to delay the general election by a year if there is a Yes vote, I can't see how that can be a good thing.

[Sir Fynwy]

Sorry I was searching for something that related to this. Again I'd be grateful if you could post something.

Ok here is one for you https://twitter.com/owenjones84/status/509724810524766208 there are plenty of others out there

Edit, won't seem to attach https://twitter.com/owenjones84/status/509724810524766208

[Webbo]

Ok here is one for you https://twitter.com/owenjones84/status/509724810524766208 there are plenty of others out there

Edit, won't seem to attach https://twitter.com/owenjones84/status/509724810524766208

A tweet by a left wing journalist is proof that the tories want to delay the election?

[Guest MattP]

I thought you said articles from respected journalists.

That's a tweet from a far left lunatic who has been exposed on television time and time again lying about the Tories.

Clearly no solid evidence out there whatsoever suggesting the Tories have considered such a thing.

[Sir Fynwy]

A tweet by a left wing journalist is proof that the tories want to delay the election?

I said there is plenty more discussion going on, I think it is unlikely but people are discussing it