Trav Le Bleu Posted 11 September 2014 Posted 11 September 2014 Will I have to get a passport just to go to Scotland? mine needs needs renewing. You don't need a passport to go to the Republic of Ireland (unless you fly, but then you need a passport for most internal flights nowadays), so why would you need one to go to Scotland?
The Doctor Posted 11 September 2014 Posted 11 September 2014 It's not a point it's a statistic! A misleading statistic - in raw numbers there may be more scots in England than vice versa, but in terms of the percentage of population - English people are a bigger minority in Scotland than the Scots are in England.
johnny the fox Posted 11 September 2014 Posted 11 September 2014 I wake up in a cold sweat every night, worrying.. if the scots do vote yes..will we ever see jimmy krankie down here again? the thought of not seeing the wee scamp in his cap makes me feel physically sick.
lavrentis Posted 12 September 2014 Posted 12 September 2014 Rincey wincey spider do you hate the Tories just cause their the Tories ?
Sir Fynwy Posted 12 September 2014 Posted 12 September 2014 You don't need a passport to go to the Republic of Ireland (unless you fly, but then you need a passport for most internal flights nowadays), so why would you need one to go to Scotland? You don't need a passport for any internal flights, photo ID is required but a photo driving licence, forces ID, police warrant card, Citizencard, and various others are accepted (including photo NUS Cards). For the ROI British citizens can travel on a photo driving licence.
Guest Posted 12 September 2014 Posted 12 September 2014 I can already see the stream of Scots trying to cross Hadrian's Wall in the dark of the night with their knapsacks on their backs.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 12 September 2014 Posted 12 September 2014 You don't need a passport to go to the Republic of Ireland (unless you fly, but then you need a passport for most internal flights nowadays), so why would you need one to go to Scotland? By leaving the UK, Scotland wouldn't be part of the common travel area, of course they can negotiate to be a part of it still. That doesnt mean border checks can't still be used though, apparently after Irish independence, it was negotiated that for legislitive reasons, Ireland wouldn't be classed as a foreign country meaning they are not 'alien' http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/scottish-independence-immigration-expert-warns-both-sides-are-wrong-border-controls-1464558
Alf Bentley Posted 12 September 2014 Posted 12 September 2014 Latest poll says Yes 49% No 51% ....and Farage is on his way up there for a UKIP pro-union rally. It's being reported that he's going to tell the Scots that they should vote "No", that they won't really be independent if they vote "Yes" as they'll be ruled from Brussels and will have to join the Euro - and that the Queen should intervene to call on them to vote "No". So, that should be a decent boost for the "Yes" campaign, then....which may well be what he intends!
Guest MattP Posted 12 September 2014 Posted 12 September 2014 To be fair he's not far from the truth. It does seem bizarre for Salmond to be telling everyone he wants to stop sending money down to Westminster and then Westminster deciding how much of it they can keep whilst lauding that he wants to join the EU. I don't think Farage can do too much damage, the fear and intimidation shown by the elite of Westminster (and no doubt they'll step it up next week) should be more than enough to secure the 'no' vote now. He can't do any worse than Prescott anyway who went up there to tell them how good it would be if the Scotland and England football team combined, talk about not getting it.
ADK Posted 12 September 2014 Posted 12 September 2014 Tbh nobody who is Scottish and votes ukip is likely to vote yes so it's at best pointless.
The Doctor Posted 13 September 2014 Posted 13 September 2014 Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6vDzf-wSbk - one of the few funny things the Simpsons have managed of late.
BlueSi13 Posted 13 September 2014 Posted 13 September 2014 So let me get this straight, the most successful union in the history of mankind, one that enjoys immense wealth, standard of living, freedom, security and influence is on the verge of tearing itself apart....during peacetime?....and during a rapid economic recovery? The only civilised nation on earth to ever do so? Over what exactly? Do the Scots genuinely hate us English THAT much? (I am simply having none of this 'Westminster' or 'London' bollocks). How can the SNP desire 'freedom from Westminster' (whatever the **** that means) and yet becomes slaves to the EU. As i'm sure most of you know, power is exerted at EU level by the size of population, so Scotland with its population of 5.3million would be over three times less influential than the Netherlands....who by the way have practically zero influence over countries like Germany, France or the UK. Coupled with the fact that pretty every senior figure of worth relating to business, finance, politics, manufacturing, defence etc has said that independence would be wrought with difficulties (essentially turkeys voting for Christmas, but it will damage us all too), and that oil is a resource that is declining in the north sea, and that there are no guarantees regarding currency, NHS, pensions, investments etc etc etc etc I am simply baffled by how the poles can be so close. I fear Yes will have their way and many years of economic difficulty and uncertainty lie ahead as the messiest of divorces is negotiated.
WhatsHisName Posted 13 September 2014 Posted 13 September 2014 If they win independence, then a wall should be built a wall separating us, and since WE discovered the oil there we should keep it. A new Hadrian's Wall should then be built, and OUR power companies, police and army should then never have anything to do with Scotland. They do need us more than we need them. And they should forget about keeping the pound, as our currency would be better off without them. And since the Loch Ness moster was as real as robin hood..
bovril Posted 13 September 2014 Posted 13 September 2014 I think the point is that not everyone is enamored by sociopathic politics where everything comes down to 'need', oil wealth, international standing and some abstract belief in the economy and its all benevolent influence over us.
The Doctor Posted 13 September 2014 Posted 13 September 2014 If they win independence, then a wall should be built a wall separating us, and since WE discovered the oil there we should keep it. A new Hadrian's Wall should then be built, and OUR power companies, police and army should then never have anything to do with Scotland. They do need us more than we need them. And they should forget about keeping the pound, as our currency would be better off without them. And since the Loch Ness moster was as real as robin hood.. Doesn't really matter who found the oil - it's in what would be Scottish waters. International laws of ownership don't boil down to finders keepers.
Webbo Posted 13 September 2014 Posted 13 September 2014 I think the point is that not everyone is enamored by sociopathic politics where everything comes down to 'need', oil wealth, international standing and some abstract belief in the economy and its all benevolent influence over us. I'm not sure what sociopathic politics is supposed to mean but when it comes to jobs and peoples livings standards the economy is not some abstract concept.
bovril Posted 13 September 2014 Posted 13 September 2014 If they win independence, then a wall should be built a wall separating us, and since WE discovered the oil there we should keep it. A new Hadrian's Wall should then be built, and OUR power companies, police and army should then never have anything to do with Scotland. They do need us more than we need them. And they should forget about keeping the pound, as our currency would be better off without them. And since the Loch Ness moster was as real as robin hood.. Wot, you and your mates?
WhatsHisName Posted 13 September 2014 Posted 13 September 2014 Doesn't really matter who found the oil - it's in what would be Scottish waters. International laws of ownership don't boil down to finders keepers. You do have a point there. But Scotland would lose more out of independence than we would
notnow john Posted 13 September 2014 Posted 13 September 2014 Doesn't really matter who found the oil - it's in what would be Scottish waters. International laws of ownership don't boil down to finders keepers. So the oil belongs to the Shetland and Orkney Islands !
Rincewind Posted 13 September 2014 Posted 13 September 2014 It should do but their army of 6 shepherds and 5 pig farmers is not big enough to defend against would be invaders.
lavrentis Posted 13 September 2014 Posted 13 September 2014 It should do but their army of 6 shepherds and 5 pig farmers is not big enough to defend against would be invaders. Kenny are you in favour for Scottish independence ?
Rincewind Posted 13 September 2014 Posted 13 September 2014 Kenny are you in favour for Scottish independence ? Not voted in the poll
Trav Le Bleu Posted 13 September 2014 Posted 13 September 2014 You don't need a passport for any internal flights, photo ID is required but a photo driving licence, forces ID, police warrant card, Citizencard, and various others are accepted (including photo NUS Cards). For the ROI British citizens can travel on a photo driving licence. Having been to the RoI a few times, you don't need photo ID, just ID.
Ross-Kemp Posted 13 September 2014 Posted 13 September 2014 Not voted in the pollHe didn't ask you that.
Stadt Posted 13 September 2014 Posted 13 September 2014 Let them go independent then just invade the next day.
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