Scottish Independence Poll

[Rincewind]

Kenny are you in favour for Scottish independence ?

Its either 3 or 4. I have not  made my mind up yet.

[PAULCFC]

 

If they win independence, then a wall should be built a wall separating us, and since WE discovered the oil there we should keep it. A new Hadrian's Wall

 should then be built, and OUR power companies, police and army should then never have anything to do with Scotland. They do need us more than we need them. And they should forget about keeping the pound, as our currency would be better off without them. And since the Loch Ness moster was as real as robin hood..

 

And...they will pay for it,as in the r.h thread?

[Vlad the Fox]

Let them go independent then just invade the next day.

 

 

 

 

Is that Tim nice but dim on the right?

[The Doctor]

So the oil belongs to the Shetland and Orkney Islands !

 

Which are part of Scotland...

 

 

Anyway: 

Friend showed me this last night, I reckon Cameron has got a good career as a Miley Cyrus tribute act if this and the GE goes tits up.

[Strokes]

SCOTLAND...........are you still here?

[Rincewind]

Interesting interview. Still a don'tknow/don't care though

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmAKnchI3ek&feature=youtu.be

[PAPA LAZAROU]

Interesting interview. Still a don'tknow/don't care though

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmAKnchI3ek&feature=youtu.be

 

 

Well this ranting thick as custard communist must have just put thousands on the NO vote. He is your typical thug who thinks if he shouts louder and waves his arms around menacingly he will make his points that bit more valid. 

 

Because of his low level of intelligence he had no idea that the B.B.C interviewed him on purpose. They used him to make the YES vote look even more ridiculous . Rabid patriotism wrapped around deep seated hatred of all things English is his mantra . The funny part is he was too thick to reailse what a jerk he looks .  

[notnow john]

Which are part of Scotland...

 

 

At the moment!

[WhatsHisName]

Let them go independent then just invade the next day.

Well said. The dog that bite the hand thsat feeds it needs to be put back on it's leash and learn it's place.

[The Doctor]

Yeah, because invading a country for exercising its democratic right wouldn't cause any sort of international sanctions... :erm:

[Rialto 290352]

Scotland is a distinct country and has always been left of centre politically.  With the endless move to the right wing in English politics the country is now isolated from the London government.  Would England accept another country ruling over it?  No chance! In the whole of the country there is only one single Tory MP.  Scotland will control all the oil wells and half of the gas fields.  It would be richer, per capita, than France for example.  As an Independent country it will be able to create a fairer society. One in which there are more jobs and a fair Social Welfare system.  Why should we subsidise England in general and London in particular?  Currently for every £1 paid in tax in Scotland only 74 pence is spent here.  Unlike in London Alex Salmond heads a majority Scottish Government the movement for Independence is a grass roots popular movement.  Perhaps those in England ought to consider, with a deficit on both their Balance of Trade and Balance of Payments, how they will cope with no oil revenues?  

[purpleronnie]

Scotland is a distinct country and has always been left of centre politically.  With the endless move to the right wing in English politics the country is now isolated from the London government.  Would England accept another country ruling over it?  No chance! In the whole of the country there is only one single Tory MP.  Scotland will control all the oil wells and half of the gas fields.  It would be richer, per capita, than France for example.  As an Independent country it will be able to create a fairer society. One in which there are more jobs and a fair Social Welfare system.  Why should we subsidise England in general and London in particular?  Currently for every £1 paid in tax in Scotland only 74 pence is spent here.  Unlike in London Alex Salmond heads a majority Scottish Government the movement for Independence is a grass roots popular movement.  Perhaps those in England ought to consider, with a deficit on both their Balance of Trade and Balance of Payments, how they will cope with no oil revenues?  

Rose tinted spec's.  Good luck with that on other forums.

[Jon the Hat]

You want the oil you take the debt that goes with it. Good luck.

[WhatsHisName]

 Why should we subsidise England in general and London in particular? 

 

.  Why should we subsidise England in general and London in particular? 

It is actually the other war around, if it wasn't for us I dread to think how backwards Scotland would be

[The Doctor]

Scotland is a distinct country and has always been left of centre politically.  With the endless move to the right wing in English politics the country is now isolated from the London government.  Would England accept another country ruling over it?  No chance! In the whole of the country there is only one single Tory MP.  Scotland will control all the oil wells and half of the gas fields.  It would be richer, per capita, than France for example.  As an Independent country it will be able to create a fairer society. One in which there are more jobs and a fair Social Welfare system.  Why should we subsidise England in general and London in particular?  Currently for every £1 paid in tax in Scotland only 74 pence is spent here.  Unlike in London Alex Salmond heads a majority Scottish Government the movement for Independence is a grass roots popular movement.  Perhaps those in England ought to consider, with a deficit on both their Balance of Trade and Balance of Payments, how they will cope with no oil revenues?

And how long will those oil and gas fields last? 20 years? We may be improving our ability to extract oil and gas on a yearly basis, they're still finite resources. What's left after they're all gone - ya cannas build an economy on alcohol and fried food

[Rincewind]

And how long will those oil and gas fields last? 20 years? We may be improving our ability to extract oil and gas on a yearly basis, they're still finite resources. What's left after they're all gone - ya cannas build an economy on alcohol and fried food

Donna forget ya kilts an bagpipes laddie.

[Manwell Pablo]

Doesn't really matter who found the oil - it's in what would be Scottish waters. International laws of ownership don't boil down to finders keepers.

 

Ha, tell that to Argentina!

[Jon the Hat]

I expect reality will bite eventually and Scotland will at some point realise their sums don't add up.

[WhatsHisName]

Will you celebrate when WE win the vote ?

[Alf Bentley]

Will you celebrate when WE win the vote ?

 

I'll celebrate when WE win BOTH votes....

 

- The vote against nationalistic populism in Scotland on Thursday

 

- The vote against nationalistic Thatcherism in the UK in 2015, when the Scottish left is in the vanguard for the election of a red-green UK coalition government.

 

Might need to get rid of Miliband and bring back Gordon Brown, though. Just imagine, Caroline Lucas and Gordon Brown in harness - a "Beauty and the Beast" government rolling back Thatcherism all across Britain.

 

A brighter day is coming, brothers and sisters, a brighter day is coming!   

[ADK]

Yuck

[Alf Bentley]

Yuck

 

 

What's up, mate? Is your roast beef a little too pink for your liking? Must be a bit of haggis that got into the mix....

[ADK]

What's up, mate? Is your roast beef a little too pink for your liking? Must be a bit of haggis that got into the mix....

 

Haggis is brilliant, can't say the thought of Brown and the Greens working together sounds too appealing though.

 

I'm a little disappointed in how the Green party has decided to rebrand as the party of the hard left.

[Alf Bentley]

Haggis is brilliant, can't say the thought of Brown and the Greens working together sounds too appealing though.

 

I'm a little disappointed in how the Green party has decided to rebrand as the party of the hard left.

 

 

I wouldn't seriously want Brown back, though I do think that he gets an unfair press (many of the good things that New Labour did were down to Brown and most of the bad things were down to Blair, IMHO). 

 

I bet there's a load of UKIP and right-wing Tory people who'd love a Scottish "Yes" vote to shift "rump UK" politics a bit further to the right and make a Labour win in 2015 less likely and an EU referendum more likely. I hope the Scots disappoint them!

 

I wouldn't categorise the Greens as "hard left". The hard left favours a big central state and state-run industries, whereas the Greens support the decentralisation of power to local communities....two reasons to oppose the hard left and support the Greens. Certainly, they're to the left of Labour in terms of wealth redistribution and the renationalisation of the railways, but the whole logic of their politics is to shift control to local communities, councils and people. Their opposition to control by global capitalist mega-corporations follows logically from putting environmental protection and quality of life ahead of profits and material consumption.

 

The connection to Scotland is getting a bit tenuous, though, so I'd better shut up! 

[Rialto 290352]

Oil revenues in Scotland will last at least 40 years and an oil fund will be set up as with Norway.  Something the London government has not done  as they are too busy using the money to subsidise  the weak UK economy.  In any case the Scottish economy is stronger than the English economy per capita even without oil.