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Scottish Independence Poll

By acooling08, in General Chat

Do you want Scotland to leave the UK?  

313 members have voted

  1. 1. Do you want Scotland to leave the UK?

    • Yes - I want Scotland to leave the UK.
      82
    • No - I want Scotland to stay in the UK.
      137
    • I don't know.
      12
    • I don't care.
      82

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The Doctor

The Doctor

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Oil revenues in Scotland will last at least 40 years and an oil fund will be set up as with Norway.  Something the London government has not done  as they are too busy using the money to subsidise  the weak UK economy.  

 

Really, because previous reports have suggested the fields will be economically viable to 2020, and currently those who work the oil fields suggest there's about 15 years worth of income left in there: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-dwindling-north-sea-4080275

 

In any case the Scottish economy is stronger than the English economy per capita even without oil.  

 

While the scottish economy is better per head than the rest of the UK, without the oil, your GDP per capita is slightly worse than the rest of the UK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24866266) and at the same time your budget deficit is higher than the rest of the UK (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/3a274ea0-39b8-11e4-93da-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3DPOHrio9), 

Guest ttfn

Guest ttfn

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Oil revenues in Scotland will last at least 40 years and an oil fund will be set up as with Norway. Something the London government has not done as they are too busy using the money to subsidise the weak UK economy. In any case the Scottish economy is stronger than the English economy per capita even without oil.

Have you joined a Leicester City forum specifically to talk about Scottish independence?

Strokes

Strokes

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Oil revenues in Scotland will last at least 40 years and an oil fund will be set up as with Norway. Something the London government has not done as they are too busy using the money to subsidise the weak UK economy. In any case the Scottish economy is stronger than the English economy per capita even without oil.

The scottish economy will still always be a slave to england if it keeps the pound. Do yourselves a favour and join the euro, it will be good for you. Honest ;)
Webbo

Webbo

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Oil revenues in Scotland will last at least 40 years and an oil fund will be set up as with Norway.  Something the London government has not done  as they are too busy using the money to subsidise  the weak UK economy.  In any case the Scottish economy is stronger than the English economy per capita even without oil.  

I'd like to see some figures to back that up, and not from the yes campaign either.

BlueSi13

BlueSi13

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Scotland is a distinct country and has always been left of centre politically.  With the endless move to the right wing in English politics the country is now isolated from the London government.  Would England accept another country ruling over it?  No chance! In the whole of the country there is only one single Tory MP.  Scotland will control all the oil wells and half of the gas fields.  It would be richer, per capita, than France for example.  As an Independent country it will be able to create a fairer society. One in which there are more jobs and a fair Social Welfare system.  Why should we subsidise England in general and London in particular?  Currently for every £1 paid in tax in Scotland only 74 pence is spent here.  Unlike in London Alex Salmond heads a majority Scottish Government the movement for Independence is a grass roots popular movement.  Perhaps those in England ought to consider, with a deficit on both their Balance of Trade and Balance of Payments, how they will cope with no oil revenues?  

 

 

Aww look a cybernat has come to spread his unique brand of fantasist drivel.

 

1.  The country both of us are currently living in is the United Kingdom which is ruled by democratically elected officials from every corner of the nation.  I was unaware that the Scots are being oppressed and held in concentration camps whilst English soldiers rape and pillage all around them.

 

2.  The oil and gas industry that is the absolute foundation of your call for independence (the referendum wouldn't stand a chance if there wasn't any) was developed and grown by multinational companies using British innovations and personal, if the SNP thinks for one moment that they can ignore that fact then they are in for a tough time during negotiations.  

 

3.  There is nothing unique about wealth per capita for small nations such as Scotland, many countries with similar populations enjoy a higher wealth per capita compared to larger nations such as Germany, France and England etc...the difference is they also usually have much higher costs of living.

 

4.  Basic facts as it stands, Scotland accounts for 8.4% of the UK population, 8.3% of the UK's total output and 8.3% of the UK's non-oil tax revenues - but 9.2% of total UK public spending.  Scotland doesn't subsidise anybody.  But that is beyond the point, why should London subsidise us all?  Why should Leicester subsidise Sunderland?  Why should I subsidise my next door neighbour?  Why should my family subsidise me?  This country like it or not, is a family, and families support one another.

 

5.  How does one create a 'fairer' society exactly?  Spend spend spend?  Sorry but that means tax tax tax.  Don't think for one moment that the SNP will go after big businesses either after Salmond's promise of low tax incentives to encourage big business.  Or maybe they will after their threat of 'reckoning'...but of course all that will mean is that the big companies and job creators will shift south...lose lose for Scotland.

 

I can now safely say that if you represent what supposedly 50% of Scots are thinking, then you may just be doing the Union a favour by leaving.

Guest Kopfkino

Guest Kopfkino

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Oil revenues in Scotland will last at least 40 years and an oil fund will be set up as with Norway.  Something the London government has not done  as they are too busy using the money to subsidise  the weak UK economy.  In any case the Scottish economy is stronger than the English economy per capita even without oil.  

 

George Galloway may be a bit of a prat but he was spot on when he called the basis of Scottish Independence 'fantasy economics'. It seems the oil revenues are going to be saved as well as spent on education, health, defence, welfare, Salmond must be a genius.

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Oil revenues in Scotland will last at least 40 years and an oil fund will be set up as with Norway.  Something the London government has not done  as they are too busy using the money to subsidise  the weak UK economy.  In any case the Scottish economy is stronger than the English economy per capita even without oil.  

Most of the 'easy' oil to extract from the North Sea has been, what your left with now are depleated oil fields that require greater investment to get the black stuff out, or heavy oil fields that require greater investment to get it out as it essentially doesn't flow. The boss of BP has this week come out against a yes vote would be bad. The Scottish renewable energy market is subsidised by all UK energy bills. If a yes vote occurs that would disappear, meaning cheaper bills for us south of the border. Without investment or tax breaks from the UK or foreign firms like Norways Statoil the North Sea will be uneconomical long before your 40 year plan

Guest

Guest

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Yeah, because invading a country for exercising its democratic right wouldn't cause any sort of international sanctions... :erm:

 

Tell Ukraine that.

 

Scotland is a distinct country and has always been left of centre politically.  With the endless move to the right wing in English politics the country is now isolated from the London government.  Would England accept another country ruling over it?  No chance! In the whole of the country there is only one single Tory MP.  Scotland will control all the oil wells and half of the gas fields.  It would be richer, per capita, than France for example.  As an Independent country it will be able to create a fairer society. One in which there are more jobs and a fair Social Welfare system.  Why should we subsidise England in general and London in particular?  Currently for every £1 paid in tax in Scotland only 74 pence is spent here.  Unlike in London Alex Salmond heads a majority Scottish Government the movement for Independence is a grass roots popular movement.  Perhaps those in England ought to consider, with a deficit on both their Balance of Trade and Balance of Payments, how they will cope with no oil revenues?  

 

lol

PAPA LAZAROU

PAPA LAZAROU

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Oil revenues in Scotland will last at least 40 years and an oil fund will be set up as with Norway.  Something the London government has not done  as they are too busy using the money to subsidise  the weak UK economy.  In any case the Scottish economy is stronger than the English economy per capita even without oil.  

 

Your figures are I'm afraid pure speculation with no data to back it up. If anything the rest of the uk has been subsidising Scotland since the union began. You make no mention of the huge social benefits bill that pays for Scotlands socialist politics for instance. Unemployment in Scotland is rife and well above any comparison with the rest of the UK , so where are those jobs going to be created to get that huge benefits bill off their backs ?

 

Nothing that Salmon has said about the economics of a separate Scotland  adds up it's vague nonsense and the banks know it. He cannot even say what the currency will be ? Come Friday the majority vote will be a NO, but a lot of lasting damage has been done with Salmon and his Anglo-phobic attitudes. For a lot of English now know the extent of that Scottish hatred and won't forget in a hurry.

WhatsHisName

WhatsHisName

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Many in Scotland like the idea of Independence, and they say they will vote for it, but the reality is that when it comes to the vote they will vote to remain as part of the UK, because they know they will be worse off in many ways without us

Guest MattP

Guest MattP

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Might need to get rid of Miliband and bring back Gordon Brown, though. Just imagine, Caroline Lucas and Gordon Brown in harness - a "Beauty and the Beast" government rolling back Thatcherism all across Britain.

 

 

I said I wouldn't exaggerate about leaving the country because of government but I'd think I'd rather up sticks and taky my chances fighting for ISIS than live under a Green-Labour coalition, I'd certainly be getting everything monetary out the bank and into material possessions. (How big is Brighton in 2015 for the Greens btw?, if they lose that area after one term what a message it would send out to the nation about their capability of holding any power)

 

Looks like the No vote is going to win, Westminster have thrown everything at this like never before and it should be enough to drag them over the line, Cameron, Clegg and Miliband will now have to answer some serious questions to their own electorate about 'devo max' as well. This was supposed to be a yes/no vote, the devo max was agreed to be off the ballet paper and to throw it back on the table as soon as the 'yes' vote looked like it had a chance to win really has shown the most sinister side of politics that no one seems to be unfortunately above these days. Bribery that Girdon Brown would have blushed at (well probably not)

 

A devolved English parliament has to be agreed now, no way should Scottish, Welsh or Irish MP's be having any say over English issues.

Alf Bentley

Alf Bentley

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I said I wouldn't exaggerate about leaving the country because of government but I'd think I'd rather up sticks and taky my chances fighting for ISIS than live under a Green-Labour coalition, I'd certainly be getting everything monetary out the bank and into material possessions. (How big is Brighton in 2015 for the Greens btw?, if they lose that area after one term what a message it would send out to the nation about their capability of holding any power)

 

Looks like the No vote is going to win, Westminster have thrown everything at this like never before and it should be enough to drag them over the line, Cameron, Clegg and Miliband will now have to answer some serious questions to their own electorate about 'devo max' as well. This was supposed to be a yes/no vote, the devo max was agreed to be off the ballet paper and to throw it back on the table as soon as the 'yes' vote looked like it had a chance to win really has shown the most sinister side of politics that no one seems to be unfortunately above these days. Bribery that Girdon Brown would have blushed at (well probably not)

 

A devolved English parliament has to be agreed now, no way should Scottish, Welsh or Irish MP's be having any say over English issues.

 

If the Greens lose Brighton, I'm not sure that it would say much more than that the local electorate disapprove of their council....hardly a first for any political party. If they lose their 1 MP, it would be a setback but hardly the end of the world. While I'm sure they'll say that they're targeting half a dozen seats, in truth I'm sure they'd consider it a success to hold the one that they've got - and would be ecstatic if they got two. Lucas might just hang on through a personal vote, despite the council. Unfortunately, I think that they won't achieve a breakthrough nationally unless the economy/ society get a lot worse or there's some sort of environmental disaster. Even then, it's much easier for people to blame the EU or immigrants and to turn to UKIP or something a lot worse.

 

Here's an article (seems quite balanced) about the Greens in Brighton: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/dec/15/greens-blown-it-in-brighton

 

Largely agree with your comments on Scotland and the late reintroduction of Devo-Max, Matt. The bookies seem to be expecting a "No" vote....despite the apparent efforts of the "No" campaign to prove them wrong! Will be interesting to see how the votes divide in different areas. I wouldn't be surprised if there's quite a high "Yes" vote in urban, Labour-voting areas, but a swing to "No" in rural parts.

 

I agree that Scottish, Welsh and Irish MPs should have no say at Westminster over policy areas that are fully devolved. However, I'm not sure that an English parliament would be a good idea, at this stage. It would presumably be additional to Westminster as the Welsh and Northern Irish are not leaving any time soon, even if the Scots do - so it would be legislating for 90%+ of the same people as Westminster! Would Westminster just be a near-empty shell legislating on British foreign and defence policy or something? Would hardly be good for "austerity" or "cutting red tape" to create a whole new tier of near-national legislation! I suppose Westminster could act as the UK parliament part of the time and the English parliament part of the time - certain days for UK business and others for English business? Not sure how practical that would be. I'd like to see more devolution of power within England, but whether there's a public appetite for that, I don't know.....interesting times ahead politically, whatever happens on Thursday.

Guest MattP

Guest MattP

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I'd think losing Brighton would be pretty bad, it's virtually the only place they can get elected and the demographic of the city seems perfect given the sort of people it attracts, if they can't hold it after being elected and having a government that should be terribly unpopular with the sort of people they attract you would have to wonder if they would ever get a seat again. Certainly not for the foreseeable future.

 

I'd see Westminster doubling up as you've said as a British and English parliament with different votes on different issues depending on who and what it effects, it actually shouldn't be that hard to implement.

 

Good read that although people in Brighton are among the wealithiest in the UK per head so if they can't deliver what they want there without annoying people you have to wonder how they could anywhere else, rubbish piling up in the street and infighting over strikers, reminds me of other political parties throughout British history :whistle:

 

I don't mind some policy of the Greens, problem is the impingment on your life appears to be immense as soon as they get anywhere near power.

Guest MattP

Guest MattP

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You would think the jocks are voting to kick us out the Union with what we are offering.

Camerons pandering has become pathetic. What an embarrassment to a once great, tough proud and stern political party.

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