marko Posted 17 November 2012 Posted 17 November 2012 What the **** are you talking about What does an injury have to do with a referee's decision? It's not that fact he's scored, his temperament meant that he was dangerous to players on the pitch (i.e. going to make tackles much worse than that). Calm him down and that way (in the 17th minute and so early in a game 60,000 people have turned up for) the game isn't ruined. I just think that he was pressured into it. If he'd just got the yellow out straight away he'd have been fine but the longer he waited to make the decision he was more and more pressured into giving the red. A referee should be able to manage players on the pitch. If you can see a player as worked up as Adebayor was then tell him and warn him (he might already have done). It's just my opinion that a yellow and a stern telling off would have been better than a red and a ruined game. My god this is painful. If that challenge by Adebayor had seriously injured Cazorla - which he was lucky it didn't - I'm not sure you'd have said only a yellow because he's just scored. It was dangerous, reckless and stupid and deserved a red regardless of what minute it was in, whether he scored or anything else.
AKCJ Posted 17 November 2012 Posted 17 November 2012 My god this is painful. If that challenge by Adebayor had seriously injured Cazorla - which he was lucky it didn't - I'm not sure you'd have said only a yellow because he's just scored. It was dangerous, reckless and stupid and deserved a red regardless of what minute it was in, whether he scored or anything else. Do you know what, just leave it. You don't get it.
BlueSi13 Posted 17 November 2012 Posted 17 November 2012 My god this is painful. If that challenge by Adebayor had seriously injured Cazorla - which he was lucky it didn't - I'm not sure you'd have said only a yellow because he's just scored. It was dangerous, reckless and stupid and deserved a red regardless of what minute it was in, whether he scored or anything else. Adebayor was guilty of being slower than Cazorla, thats it. He wasn't looking to injure the player. I personally detest red cards in games, totally ruin the spectacle. I'd much rather the system they have in rugby, reckless tackle equals a 10-15 minute sin bin, whereas a reckless tackle that had the intent to injure the player equals a red card.
marko Posted 17 November 2012 Posted 17 November 2012 Do you know what, just leave it. You don't get it. I don't get it?! Blimey, if you honestly believe the referee has ruined this game and Adebayor only deserved a yellow I give up!
AKCJ Posted 17 November 2012 Posted 17 November 2012 I don't get it?! Blimey, if you honestly believe the referee has ruined this game and Adebayor only deserved a yellow I give up! Looks like you'll have to give up
Jimothy Posted 17 November 2012 Posted 17 November 2012 Adebayor ruined the game by being reckless and committing a dangerous foul on Cazorla. If Adebayor can't control himself after scoring a goal that's his problem, not Howard Webb's. There are some instances where a player may do something in a highly charged moment that would normally warrant a red but the ref holds back, this wasn't one, it was extremely high dangerous tackle that could have ended someone's career, there is no situation where that is acceptable.
BlueSi13 Posted 17 November 2012 Posted 17 November 2012 Adebayor ruined the game by being reckless and committing a dangerous foul on Cazorla. If Adebayor can't control himself after scoring a goal that's his problem, not Howard Webb's. There are some instances where a player may do something in a highly charged moment that would normally warrant a red but the ref holds back, this wasn't one, it was extremely high dangerous tackle that could have ended someone's career, there is no situation where that is acceptable. Bit over the top mate, i wouldn't even remotely call it an "extremely high dangerous tackle", risky yes, but if he'd gone in waist height or two-footed at knee level on a stationary Cazorla then i'd see your point. However the ball was bobbling, if he'd got the ball if would have been classed as an excellent interception, but rather Cazorla got there first, felt the contact, did some auditioning for WWE whilst the Arsenal fans wake up from their slumber to demand a red card. The result? 70 minutes of tedium.
AKCJ Posted 17 November 2012 Posted 17 November 2012 Bit over the top mate, i wouldn't even remotely call it an "extremely high dangerous tackle", risky yes, but if he'd gone in waist height or two-footed at knee level on a stationary Cazorla then i'd see your point. However the ball was bobbling, if he'd got the ball if would have been classed as an excellent interception, but rather Cazorla got there first, felt the contact, did some auditioning for WWE whilst the Arsenal fans wake up from their slumber to demand a red card. The result? 70 minutes of tedium. Exactly. 4-1 now.
Jimothy Posted 17 November 2012 Posted 17 November 2012 Bit over the top mate, i wouldn't even remotely call it an "extremely high dangerous tackle", risky yes, but if he'd gone in waist height or two-footed at knee level on a stationary Cazorla then i'd see your point. However the ball was bobbling, if he'd got the ball if would have been classed as an excellent interception, but rather Cazorla got there first, felt the contact, did some auditioning for WWE whilst the Arsenal fans wake up from their slumber to demand a red card. The result? 70 minutes of tedium. It was at least knee high, that's high enough. When he's travelling through the air with both feet off the ground he has no idea when position Cazorla will be in when he get's there. Had Cazorla had his foot planted, that would have been one hell of a nasty injury. Anyway AKCJ is still trying to say it shouldn't have been a red because he had just scored, the point still stands that that is not for Webb to worry about. If Adebayor can't control himself in that situation that's his problem, not Webb's.
Tom17LCFC Posted 17 November 2012 Posted 17 November 2012 4-2 Bale. Remember the 4-4 a few years back with 2 goals in last 2 minutes for the sperms? Surely not...
AKCJ Posted 17 November 2012 Posted 17 November 2012 It was at least knee high, that's high enough. When he's travelling through the air with both feet off the ground he has no idea when position Cazorla will be in when he get's there. Had Cazorla had his foot planted, that would have been one hell of a nasty injury. Anyway AKCJ is still trying to say it shouldn't have been a red because he had just scored, the point still stands that that is not for Webb to worry about. If Adebayor can't control himself in that situation that's his problem, not Webb's. No, i'm not. It's because he scored that his temperament took a huge boost and the fact he was buzzing his tits off meant he was a danger to players. Therefore book him and calm him down. Game carries on and everyone is happy. A good referee tries to keep every player on the pitch and a great one can keep players under control. Webb could have talked to him as there was plenty of the game left but if Adebayor carried on then by all means send him off. Bale just scored a very nice goal, 4-2.
Jimothy Posted 17 November 2012 Posted 17 November 2012 No, i'm not. It's because he scored that his temperament took a huge boost and the fact he was buzzing his tits off meant he was a danger to players. Therefore book him and calm him down. Game carries on and everyone is happy. A good referee tries to keep every player on the pitch and a great one can keep players under control. Webb could have talked to him as there was plenty of the game left but if Adebayor carried on then by all means send him off. Bale just scored a very nice goal, 4-2. So you are saying it's not a red because he just scored! He can't control his emotions after a goal, and you're saying Webb should take that into account. I'm sorry he shouldn't not for a tackle like that. An injury has no baring on the decision to send someone off, but that tackle could have caused serious injury and had Cazorla been laying on the floor with his leg in two pieces can you imagine Webb putting in his report that he didn't send him off because he was overly excited? What do want Webb to do, offer him a chocolate biscuit and let him stay up watching TV late if he calms down? The guy is in his late 20's, he should have learnt to control himself by now. I doubt you'd all give Joey Barton the same leeway.
AKCJ Posted 17 November 2012 Posted 17 November 2012 So you are saying it's not a red because he just scored! He can't control his emotions after a goal, and you're saying Webb should take that into account. I'm sorry he shouldn't not for a tackle like that. An injury has no baring on the decision to send someone off, but that tackle could have caused serious injury and had Cazorla been laying on the floor with his leg in two pieces can you imagine Webb putting in his report that he didn't send him off because he was overly excited? What do want Webb to do, offer him a chocolate biscuit and let him stay up watching TV late if he calms down? The guy is in his late 20's, he should have learnt to control himself by now. I doubt you'd all give Joey Barton the same leeway. I'm just saying that 17 minutes into a blood and thunder derby you can be excused for having your emotions out of check. Adebayor was guilty of this and he was also guilty of a bad tackle. I can't see how anyone would have had any complaints if Webb just took him to one side and gave him a stern telling off coupled with a booking. If he was stupid enough to carry on then fair enough.
Jimothy Posted 17 November 2012 Posted 17 November 2012 I'm just saying that 17 minutes into a blood and thunder derby you can be excused for having your emotions out of check. Adebayor was guilty of this and he was also guilty of a bad tackle. I can't see how anyone would have had any complaints if Webb just took him to one side and gave him a stern telling off coupled with a booking. If he was stupid enough to carry on then fair enough. I agree with you the referee should do everything you said, I said in my first post there are certain situations where a referee will rightly hold back from sending someone off, but this isn't one of those situations, the tackle was far too bad. It worries me you are football fan and you can sit and watch a game and think in any situation, emotionally charged or not, that is ok to do what he did.
AKCJ Posted 17 November 2012 Posted 17 November 2012 I agree with you the referee should do everything you said, I said in my first post there are certain situations where a referee will rightly hold back from sending someone off, but this isn't one of those situations, the tackle was far too bad. It worries me you are football fan and you can sit and watch a game and think in any situation, emotionally charged or not, that is ok to do what he did. Do you really think it was that bad? I don't know, I didn't think it was that bad, true it was mistimed and he left a heavy boot on Cazorla's foot/shin but like others have said, the ball was bobbling and Adebayor was in his right to go for it. Mistimed rather than malicious in my opinion. Could swing both ways.
Jimothy Posted 17 November 2012 Posted 17 November 2012 Do you really think it was that bad? I don't know, I didn't think it was that bad, true it was mistimed and he left a heavy boot on Cazorla's foot/shin but like others have said, the ball was bobbling and Adebayor was in his right to go for it. Mistimed rather than malicious in my opinion. Could swing both ways. Well as I said earlier, both his feet are off the ground, so he has no control, and no idea what position Cazorla would be in when contact in made. Had Cazorla got there earlier and planted his foot that tackle probably would have hit him just below the knee. Can you imagine the state his leg would have been in had that happened? In that first half, Lennon looked to knock the ball past Vermarlen and spin round him, Vermarlen nicked it first and Lennon caught him, mistimed, but not dangerous. Adebayor was both mistimed and dangerous and that combination will always warrant a red card.
lcfcadam Posted 17 November 2012 Posted 17 November 2012 I just knew I'd come on here and find people suggesting it should only have been a yellow Amongst the most obvious red cards you'll ever see, end of.
Fox92 Posted 17 November 2012 Posted 17 November 2012 Same score as last season (5-2) was 125/1 ... Southampton leading at Loftus Road.
Soar Fox Posted 17 November 2012 Posted 17 November 2012 Same score as last season (5-2) was 125/1 ... Southampton leading at Loftus Road. Lose this and surely Mark Hughes has got to be sacked.
AKCJ Posted 17 November 2012 Posted 17 November 2012 Southampton 2-0 up. If Mark Hughes survives i'll be very surprised.
AKCJ Posted 17 November 2012 Posted 17 November 2012 Sacked in the morning, he's getting sacked in the morning. 1-3, Ferdinand og.
AKCJ Posted 17 November 2012 Posted 17 November 2012 Jacqui Oatley â€@JacquiOatley #QPR owner @TonyFernandes tweeted yest re poss sacking "Won't be happening. For the one millionth time. Hahaha. Stability". So Hughes safe?
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