Animal rights

[The Doctor]

Everyone should be vegetarian. Killing animals for the purpose of food should be illegal. Any other argument is ultimately based on the fact that people do not want to give up meat and enjoy a steak...rather than any real logic. There, that is my honest opinion that everyone hates and in real life I mainly keep to myself to avoid a lynching.

Rather than give a serious response to this gubbins, I'll post this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRSLQu-d6ZQ

But, if you'd like other arguments - physically we're meant to eat meat as well as plants, hence the ability to digest it, as well as the appropriate tooth set-up. Historically, hominids have survived by eating other animals - if they didn't then we'd not have survived the ice age.

Are you going to lower yourself to the level of a YEC and argue against nature and facts?

[AdamN]

Ah yes but why would any meat eater want to change the mind of a vegetarian? Eating meat is not a decision people have come to after much soul searching. It is not a moral decision that they will fight for. It's just something that they haven't really ever thought through. It's nice therefore people eat it. No sane person has ever sat down and thought "yes, i eat meat because its the right thing to do".

Because I don't give two shits about whether someone else chooses to eat meat or not. It's none of my business.

And you may be right. I consider myself pretty sane and I've never said eating meat is the 'right' thing to do, but does that mean I believe it's as 'wrong' as vegetarians and vegans do? No, otherwise I wouldn't do it.

[ozleicester]

Rather than give a serious response to this gubbins, I'll post this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRSLQu-d6ZQ

But, if you'd like other arguments - physically we're meant to eat meat as well as plants, hence the ability to digest it, as well as the appropriate tooth set-up. Historically, hominids have survived by eating other animals - if they didn't then we'd not have survived the ice age.

Are you going to lower yourself to the level of a YEC and argue against nature and facts?

Incorrect, our digestive systems are not designed to eat meat, (thats why we have to cook it) our teeth are not designed to eat meat. There has beem SOME evolution that has made us capable, but the human being is a herbivore.

[ozleicester]

Because I don't give two shits about whether someone else chooses to eat meat or not. It's none of my business.

And you may be right. I consider myself pretty sane and I've never said eating meat is the 'right' thing to do, but does that mean I believe it's as 'wrong' as vegetarians and vegans do? No, otherwise I wouldn't do it.

I believe that eating animals is wrong, because no-one has the right to kill another creature for their own pleasure.

[foxesfan1989]

So you eat meat because in your opinion...our teeth are designed to do it? Crazy. I base my decision on what I can see, and what I can see is murder, so i choose to be no part of it. I don't go down the health route really, but if i did, i'm certain it would not take me long to find endless illnesses caused by eating excess meat. We have evolved past the point of having to eat meat to survive. Eating meat is a lazy decision, people rationalise it later with facts about health but they really make no sense. No-one becomes ill through vegetarianism. But hey, I know I'm in a massive minority, and I could never change a meat-eaters mind, because they simply enjoy their KFC too much to let me. Plus we can all agree that futurama clip is hilarious.

[The Doctor]

Incorrect, our digestive systems are not designed to eat meat, (thats why we have to cook it) our teeth are not designed to eat meat. There has beem SOME evolution that has made us capable, but the human being is a herbivore.

Which is why the eskimos eat it raw - or alternatively, ever heard of Sushi? No, because there's no designer - but the point is we have the correct selection of teeth to cut through meat (yes, you have to worry at a carcass to get a mouthful, but so do most land based carnivores.)

The human being is not a fucking herbivore, it's omnivorous because, drum roll please - IT CAN GET FUCKIING NUTRITION FROM MEAT!!! No herbivore can do that.

[MooseBreath]

Incorrect, our digestive systems are not designed to eat meat, (thats why we have to cook it) our teeth are not designed to eat meat. There has beem SOME evolution that has made us capable, but the human being is a herbivore.

I eat raw beef, lamb and fish all the time. Am I some kind of super human?

[foxesfan1989]

Which is why the eskimos eat it raw - or alternatively, ever heard of Sushi? No, because there's no designer - but the point is we have the correct selection of teeth to cut through meat (yes, you have to worry at a carcass to get a mouthful, but so do most land based carnivores.)

The human being is not a ****ing herbivore, it's omnivorous because, drum roll please - IT CAN GET ****ING NUTRITION FROM MEAT!!! No herbivore can do that.

But you surely accept that vegetarians are perfectly healthy? And it does not cause ilness? So therefore everything you say has no bearing on what actually happens in reality, or I would be down the doctors all the time with vegetarian related illnesses?

[The Doctor]

But you surely accept that vegetarians are perfectly healthy? And it does not cause ilness? So therefore everything you say has no bearing on what actually happens in reality, or I would be down the doctors all the time with vegetarian related illnesses?

They can be, neither does being carnivorous. What? That last line is complete nonsense which has no bearing upon what I said.

Now anyway - can humans get nutrition from meat? Yes. Can Herbivores? No. So the human being is not a herbivore, anyone who argues otherwise is greatly lacking in mental capacity.

[ozleicester]

Which is why the eskimos eat it raw - or alternatively, ever heard of Sushi? No, because there's no designer - but the point is we have the correct selection of teeth to cut through meat (yes, you have to worry at a carcass to get a mouthful, but so do most land based carnivores.)

The human being is not a ****ing herbivore, it's omnivorous because, drum roll please - IT CAN GET ****IING NUTRITION FROM MEAT!!! No herbivore can do that.

Humans can also get nutrition from McDonalds... it doesnt mean they should.

Dont mistake my "designer" comment, im not talking some religious crap, im talking evolution. we have no need to eat meat, yes we can choose to, but its not essential and its nothing more than saying i have the right to kill for my pleasure.

[Captain...]

Everyone should be vegetarian. Killing animals for the purpose of food should be illegal. Any other argument is ultimately based on the fact that people do not want to give up meat and enjoy a steak...rather than any real logic. There, that is my honest opinion that everyone hates and in real life I mainly keep to myself to avoid a lynching.

Apart from the fact that we needed meat to generate the fat cells and provide and maintain body warmth during the winter, this is in the days before central heating. We could not get the nutrients we needed from the land, from nuts and berries, that is how we evolved, those that could eat meat were able to survive harsh winters as they were able to feed properly and maintain a healthy body weight, those that couldn't process and digest meat and get nutrients from it died out.

During our evolutionary progress we couldn't survive off a meat free diet during the winter months when plants died and the cold set in.

It was a necessity that lead to an evolutionary change.

We are able to eat raw red meat, in fact a lot of people do, and raw fish, the main reason why people don't tend to these days is because of the packing and processing conditions, so we need to cook it to get rid of all the bacteria in dead flesh that has been shipped around the world, you rip it off the cow, or fish, and chow down you will be fine.

@Oz, we don't now but we did before, and we may do again when the power runs out.

[foxesfan1989]

They can be, neither does being carnivorous. What? That last line is complete nonsense which has no bearing upon what I said.

Now anyway - can humans get nutrition from meat? Yes. Can Herbivores? No. So the human being is not a herbivore, anyone who argues otherwise is greatly lacking in mental capacity.

It's just not an argument for eating meat that is all. If vegetarians were ill because of their diet, then it would be. But they are not. If anything vegetarians are clearly the healthier bunch.

[The Doctor]

Humans can also get nutrition from McDonalds... it doesnt mean they should.

Dont mistake my "designer" comment, im not talking some religious crap, im talking evolution. we have no need to eat meat, yes we can choose to, but its not essential and its nothing more than saying i have the right to kill for my pleasure.

Are you seriously this stupid? Whether people should eat something or not has no bearing on whether they can get nutrition from it. People can get nutrition from meat, hence they are not herbivores.

[ozleicester]

I eat raw beef, lamb and fish all the time. Am I some kind of super human?

Im reasonably confident your raw food is carefully prepared and sliced etc. its not just a lump of raw flesh.

[21st Century Fox]

It's just not an argument for eating meat that is all. If vegetarians were ill because of their diet, then it would be. But they are not. If anything vegetarians are clearly the healthier bunch.

Other than the various vitamin deficiencies they can suffer?

[foxesfan1989]

Apart from the fact that we needed meat to generate the fat cells and provide and maintain body warmth during the winter, this is in the days before central heating. We could not get the nutrients we needed from the land, from nuts and berries, that is how we evolved, those that could eat meat were able to survive harsh winters as they were able to feed properly and maintain a healthy body weight, those that couldn't process and digest meat and get nutrients from it died out.

During our evolutionary progress we couldn't survive off a meat free diet during the winter months when plants died and the cold set in.

It was a necessity that lead to an evolutionary change.

We are able to eat raw red meat, in fact a lot of people do, and raw fish, the main reason why people don't tend to these days is because of the packing and processing conditions, so we need to cook it to get rid of all the bacteria in dead flesh that has been shipped around the world, you rip it off the cow, or fish, and chow down you will be fine.

@Oz, we don't now but we did before, and we may do again when the power runs out.

"needed"...you just said it. We have evolved past this point. We can live without it and experience no ill effects, therefore IMO we all should.

[Charl91]

Im reasonably confident your raw food is carefully prepared and sliced etc. its not just a lump of raw flesh.

Bit of a silly argument - vegetables are generally prepared too Whether you mince it or not doesn't really change the content or health benefits, etc.

[ozleicester]

Are you seriously this stupid? Whether people should eat something or not has no bearing on whether they can get nutrition from it. People can get nutrition from meat, hence they are not herbivores.

Dont focus your thoughts and irrational expletives on semantics... i acknowledge humans can get nutirtion from meat..doestn mean they should.. and they cannot get ALL of their needs.

Meat eaters eat meat for pleasure not NEED

[ozleicester]

Bit of a silly argument - vegetables are generally prepared too Whether you mince it or not doesn't really change the content or health benefits, etc.

It changes your capability to digest it and get benefit from it and actually does affect the health benefits.

the statement was that we are meant to eat meat.. and he proved this by talking about sushi etc... the treatment makes it edible

[Charl91]

Dont focus your thoughts and irrational expletives on semantics... i acknowledge humans can get nutirtion from meat..doestn mean they should.. and they cannot get ALL of their needs.

That's because we're not carnivores.....

[Captain...]

"needed"...you just said it. We have evolved past this point. We can live without it and experience no ill effects, therefore IMO we all should.

No! We haven't evolved past this point, we have progressed beyond the need for those that live in cushy developed first world cities with all modern conveniences to hand to be able to live off nuts and berries farmed all year round and exported in at great cost to the environment to satisfy your sense of moral superiority.

To "evolve" to the point where we can no longer get nutrition from meat, would be an evolutionary step backwards, survival of the fittest means those most able to survive, those that can get nutrition from nuts, berries, veggies and MEAT, stand a greater chance of survival than those that can't. That is why we now eat meat because our ancestors that couldn't died out.

[foxesfan1989]

The meat argument gets way over complicated. You can dress it up in biological terms but its such a base argument when it comes down to it. Eating meat is murder, and we can all live perfectly healthily and happily without it. That is the reason I am vegetarian, no more than that really.

[ozleicester]

The meat argument gets way over complicated. You can dress it up in biological terms but its such a base argument when it comes down to it. Eating meat is murder, and we can all live perfectly healthily and happily without it. That is the reason I am vegetarian, no more than that really.

Correct.

[Captain...]

The meat argument gets way over complicated. You can dress it up in biological terms but its such a base argument when it comes down to it. Eating meat is murder, and we can all live perfectly healthily and happily without it. That is the reason I am vegetarian, no more than that really.

Nope:

Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human,

Sorry, but your lack of understanding of things like murder and evolution does not give you the right to judge others.

[The Doctor]

The meat argument gets way over complicated. You can dress it up in biological terms but its such a base argument when it comes down to it. Eating meat is murder, and we can all live perfectly healthily and happily without it. That is the reason I am vegetarian, no more than that really.

Well, it isn't.

The unlawful, premeditated killing of one human being by another

It's lawful and doesn't involve two humans - only one.