Older aged away support than most?

[The Year Of The Fox]

You come across, at least to me, as so much more sensible and diplomatic than Stu.

Great post again.

It has nothing to do with being mature or diplomatic col. I questioned the type of contribution the fans who take a packed lunch for half bring to football. Of course fans do as they please but in my mind we want fans there who will make a noise. There's so many threads regarding our poor atmosphere at home and away and these fans are the reason behind that.

[1964FOX]

You come across, at least to me, as so much more sensible and diplomatic than Stu.

Great post again.

No Col he's a miserable twat.

[indierich06]

It has nothing to do with being mature or diplomatic col. I questioned the type of contribution the fans who take a packed lunch for half bring to football. Of course fans do as they please but in my mind we want fans there who will make a noise. There's so many threads regarding our poor atmosphere at home and away and these fans are the reason behind that.

The problem with the atmosphere isn't with those who don't sing, it's with those who do. Half-arsed pretty much sums it up - they sing a collection of shit, witless songs, some of which don't make any sense (don't sell Knockaert? No-one's trying to ****ing sell him!) and they give up after about two repetitions:

We love you Leicester, we do

We love you Leicester, we do

We love you Leicester, we do

Oh, Leicester, we love you

We love you Leicester, we do

We love you Le.... (fades to nothing)

Of course, it's easier to blame the old folks with the sandwiches and the people who aren't interested in singing for the bad atmosphere - but at the end of the day, these people are there for the football match (you know the fellows in blue who run around, kicking a ball) not to contribute to the atmosphere - whether you think that's a bad thing is irrelevent. Maybe the people who want a better atmosphere should stop blaming others and make a concerted effort to start some inventive, original chants or even to sing a basic chant for more than a couple of times and with a bit of gusto.

So many people moan about the lack of singing at the game and come out with stuff like 'I'd sing if everyone else did' - if all these people who claim they love singing actually did a bit more of it during the match it wouldn't matter if some people weren't singing. The people who want to sing are equal to, or outnumber, those who don't - if these people want a better atmosphere, they should take the responsibility to get on with it and do it themselves.

[Manwell Pablo]

The problem with the atmosphere isn't with those who don't sing, it's with those who do. Half-arsed pretty much sums it up - they sing a collection of shit, witless songs, some of which don't make any sense (don't sell Knockaert? No-one's trying to ****ing sell him!) and they give up after about two repetitions:

We love you Leicester, we do

We love you Leicester, we do

We love you Leicester, we do

Oh, Leicester, we love you

We love you Leicester, we do

We love you Le.... (fades to nothing)

Of course, it's easier to blame the old folks with the sandwiches and the people who aren't interested in singing for the bad atmosphere - but at the end of the day, these people are there for the football match (you know the fellows in blue who run around, kicking a ball) not to contribute to the atmosphere - whether you think that's a bad thing is irrelevent. Maybe the people who want a better atmosphere should stop blaming others and make a concerted effort to start some inventive, original chants or even to sing a basic chant for more than a couple of times and with a bit of gusto.

So many people moan about the lack of singing at the game and come out with stuff like 'I'd sing if everyone else did' - if all these people who claim they love singing actually did a bit more of it during the match it wouldn't matter if some people weren't singing. The people who want to sing are equal to, or outnumber, those who don't - if these people want a better atmosphere, they should take the responsibility to get on with it and do it themselves.

Was about to post this.

I've never bought a sandwhich to a game but I can see why a few people might prefer a bit of cheese and pickel to droaning out we're the left side we're the left side we're th.............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Voll Blau]

At the end of the day, a poor atmosphere is everybody's problem because it must affect the way a team performs.

Of course you have the right to sit and be silent, it's a free country and as much as I or anyone else might want 30k mentalists rocking up every week going nuts with flags and smoke bombs for 90 minutes we've got to respect that some people just go to watch a game of football and may have done so for decades (folks like my Grandad when he was still alive for example).

That said, these sorts of people (and the club itself) also need to recognise the important role vocal support can play - and that there should be room to facilitate that. However, the club seems to only want to accommodate one kind of supporter at the moment - the ones with big wallets and a penchant for doing as they're told in the ground.

The main problems we have at Leicester are:

a) Twats who sit down and are silent, but only raise their voice in disapproval at the most minute mistake from a City player. There are too many of these cretins about, they're an embarrassment to our fanbase and quite frankly they can **** off forever as far as I'm concerned.

b) Singers who can't be bothered to learn the songbook or get genuine (i.e. not We Love You) original chants going.

c) Old boys who can't be arsed to pass the traditional songbook on to the younger generation and then moan about some of the idiotic crap that gets aired at our games.

d) Sheep who will only join in with chants if everyone else does. You have no right to moan about the atmosphere if you are one of these people. If no-one around you is singing, sing on your own. You're at a football match, who cares if you look daft FFS.

Not quite sure how we resolve this. Organisation? Maybe, but look at how the last attempt at that went. People really need to have the courage of their convictions if they want the situation to improve...

[davieG]

At the end of the day, a poor atmosphere is everybody's problem because it must affect the way a team performs.

Of course you have the right to sit and be silent, it's a free country and as much as I or anyone else might want 30k mentalists rocking up every week going nuts with flags and smoke bombs for 90 minutes we've got to respect that some people just go to watch a game of football and may have done so for decades (folks like my Grandad when he was still alive for example).

That said, these sorts of people (and the club itself) also need to recognise the important role vocal support can play - and that there should be room to facilitate that. However, the club seems to only want to accommodate one kind of supporter at the moment - the ones with big wallets and a penchant for doing as they're told in the ground.

The main problems we have at Leicester are:

a) Twats who sit down and are silent, but only raise their voice in disapproval at the most minute mistake from a City player. There are too many of these cretins about, they're an embarrassment to our fanbase and quite frankly they can **** off forever as far as I'm concerned.

b) Singers who can't be bothered to learn the songbook or get genuine (i.e. not We Love You) original chants going.

c) Old boys who can't be arsed to pass the traditional songbook on to the younger generation and then moan about some of the idiotic crap that gets aired at our games.

d) Sheep who will only join in with chants if everyone else does. You have no right to moan about the atmosphere if you are one of these people. If no-one around you is singing, sing on your own. You're at a football match, who cares if you look daft FFS.

Not quite sure how we resolve this. Organisation? Maybe, but look at how the last attempt at that went. People really need to have the courage of their convictions if they want the situation to improve...

You didn't mention the hypocrites I've seen in the Kop on more than one occasion, young guys who have berated fans in an offensive manner for not singing, then sung loyal supporters close up and in their faces and yet at the end of the game these so called real fans were leading the booing.

You're correct there is a mix of fans but don't blame the ones that want to sit and watch and not sing the club is solely to blame due to the poor allocation of seats in the initial move from Filbo and the pricing structure which dictated/dictates where people choose to sit.

[Guest Col city fan]

You didn't mention the hypocrites I've seen in the Kop on more than one occasion, young guys who have berated fans in an offensive manner for not singing, then sung loyal supporters close up and in their faces and yet at the end of the game these so called real fans were leading the booing.

You're correct there is a mix of fans but don't blame the ones that want to sit and watch and not sing the club is solely to blame due to the poor allocation of seats in the initial move from Filbo and the pricing structure which dictated/dictates where people choose to sit.

Can't agree with this more. The 'loyal supporters' chant really is a pain in the arse.

I wonder which members of this very forum have chanted this? Both home and away?

Any? I wonder.....

[Bluetintedspecs]

You didn't mention the hypocrites I've seen in the Kop on more than one occasion, young guys who have berated fans in an offensive manner for not singing, then sung loyal supporters close up and in their faces and yet at the end of the game these so called real fans were leading the booing.

You're correct there is a mix of fans but don't blame the ones that want to sit and watch and not sing the club is solely to blame due to the poor allocation of seats in the initial move from Filbo and the pricing structure which dictated/dictates where people choose to sit.

Totally agree Davie, winds me up, I gave a few round me a right mouthfull ht against Burnley the quote was " call yourself fkn fans 1-0 down only HT and your booing, tell me what fkn good that does?"

[marbelladave]

Standing is do-able at 99% of grounds but even when you do - anyone can agree that it's better when the whole end is stood rather than just a couple of rows at the back.

Stu, your attitude is wrong for me. I'm well aware that we agree on a lot of things in this kind of situation but there's no need for some of this at all, especially about what people eat, Jesus.

I accept some people would rather sit but I think the authorities really do need to acknowledge that standing does go on, even if it is against the rules. They need to acknowledge all-seaters aren't working as well as they think.

Safe standing, almost a generic shout (which is a good thing) but would solve so much IMO.

It has nothing to do with being mature or diplomatic col. I questioned the type of contribution the fans who take a packed lunch for half bring to football. Of course fans do as they please but in my mind we want fans there who will make a noise. There's so many threads regarding our poor atmosphere at home and away and these fans are the reason behind that.

The argument appears to be no more than 'I'm younger than you, I sing more than you, I'm a better, more important, fan than you.'

That is, with no respect whatsoever, a crock of shit.

[Guest Col city fan]

The argument appears to be no more than 'I'm younger than you, I sing more than you, I'm a better, more important, fan than you.'

That is, with no respect whatsoever, a crock of shit.

Spot on

[marbelladave]

You didn't mention the hypocrites I've seen in the Kop on more than one occasion, young guys who have berated fans in an offensive manner for not singing, then sung loyal supporters close up and in their faces and yet at the end of the game these so called real fans were leading the booing.

You're correct there is a mix of fans but don't blame the ones that want to sit and watch and not sing the club is solely to blame due to the poor allocation of seats in the initial move from Filbo and the pricing structure which dictated/dictates where people choose to sit.

A sad reflection on the self obsessed, me, me, me atitude that is considered normal in modern society. It is not that modern football is shit, it is that modern supporters are shit..........

The main reason the atmosphere is poor is that, much of the time the ground is barely half full, there was a time when City's 'core support', who would turn up for a mid table game on a cold midwinter night, was about 28,000.

They would congregate on the terraces before the game, no bars or concourse to hide in and the buzz of conversation and anticipation made the atmosphere, singing and chanting, was largely irrelevant.

The point about seating allocations is a good one two, it splits up fans, grouping people who predominantly want to sit and watch the game with those who want to stand and sing, great for the authorities as it stops fans congregating together and causing 'trouble'.

[Bluetintedspecs]

The argument appears to be no more than 'I'm younger than you, I sing more than you, I'm a better, more important, fan than you.'

That is, with no respect whatsoever, a crock of shit.

Our tartan rugs , flasks of soup and cheese and pickle sandwich brigade really do take the biscuit!

[Kitchandro]

At the end of the day, a poor atmosphere is everybody's problem because it must affect the way a team performs.

Of course you have the right to sit and be silent, it's a free country and as much as I or anyone else might want 30k mentalists rocking up every week going nuts with flags and smoke bombs for 90 minutes we've got to respect that some people just go to watch a game of football and may have done so for decades (folks like my Grandad when he was still alive for example).

That said, these sorts of people (and the club itself) also need to recognise the important role vocal support can play - and that there should be room to facilitate that. However, the club seems to only want to accommodate one kind of supporter at the moment - the ones with big wallets and a penchant for doing as they're told in the ground.

The main problems we have at Leicester are:

a) Twats who sit down and are silent, but only raise their voice in disapproval at the most minute mistake from a City player. There are too many of these cretins about, they're an embarrassment to our fanbase and quite frankly they can **** off forever as far as I'm concerned.

b) Singers who can't be bothered to learn the songbook or get genuine (i.e. not We Love You) original chants going.

c) Old boys who can't be arsed to pass the traditional songbook on to the younger generation and then moan about some of the idiotic crap that gets aired at our games.

d) Sheep who will only join in with chants if everyone else does. You have no right to moan about the atmosphere if you are one of these people. If no-one around you is singing, sing on your own. You're at a football match, who cares if you look daft FFS.

Not quite sure how we resolve this. Organisation? Maybe, but look at how the last attempt at that went. People really need to have the courage of their convictions if they want the situation to improve...

Fully agree, but I'd also add what you mentioned just above those points; the people in charge of the club pricing out the kind of fans a lot of us would like to see at matches. It doesn't matter what their attitudes are if they just can't afford to go.

The problem is it's a vicious circle, people don't want to fork out their cash when there's no atmosphere, and when certain people dont go there is no atmosphere. To touch on points b) and c) in particular, it really is the blind leading the blind at the moment. It's comparable to a team of ageing greats being phased out and a load of inexperienced youth players replacing them. When I went to the Palace game this season I couldn't believe how young most of the people around me were in J and K.

It's a recipe for disaster at the moment, I completely disagree with Stu's almost fascist approach but obviously it stems from the frustrations most of us have with what seems an almost hopeless atmosphere situation.

As I've said before, it's all very well attempting to organise people (and if all the people that wanted to sing would just decide on one area of the ground, it would help) but I feel we lack the ingredients for a quality atmosphere at the moment. We used to be inconsistent, now we seem consistently bad.

[Lobsterboyuk]

b) Singers who can't be bothered to learn the songbook or get genuine (i.e. not We Love You) original chants going.

It's not original and a fair few seem to hate it but I can't think of another chant that generates atmosphere at the moment - even in the west stand you see scarves twirling.

[Kitchandro]

A sad reflection on the self obsessed, me, me, me atitude that is considered normal in modern society. It is not that modern football is shit, it is that modern supporters are shit..........

The main reason the atmosphere is poor is that, much of the time the ground is barely half full, there was a time when City's 'core support', who would turn up for a mid table game on a cold midwinter night, was about 28,000.

They would congregate on the terraces before the game, no bars or concourse to hide in and the buzz of conversation and anticipation made the atmosphere, singing and chanting, was largely irrelevant.

The point about seating allocations is a good one two, it splits up fans, grouping people who predominantly want to sit and watch the game with those who want to stand and sing, great for the authorities as it stops fans congregating together and causing 'trouble'.

No, it's a bit of both. Maybe we're left with all these modern supporters because modern football is so bittering to the traditional supporter.

You've often mentioned how chanting is irrelevant to the atmosphere but I don't think that's a view held by most. Chanting and unified noise is what makes it enjoyable for me.

[Kitchandro]

It's not original and a fair few seem to hate it but I can't think of another chant that generates atmosphere at the moment - even in the west stand you see scarves twirling.

But that is the problem, isn't it?

We've descended into a culture of needing something currently popular, a fad if you like, to have any sort of atmosphere at all. There was a time when numerous chants were belted out, sometimes loudly, sometimes not so loudly, but there was more chance of an atmosphere because people wouldn't get bored of the same chants.

We've focused on these modern chants too much and in the recent games I've gone to I've barely heard any of our older/original/more traditional songs at all. We used the new chants to help boost the atmosphere in the short term but in the long term, it's killed it.

[Guest Col city fan]

But that is the problem, isn't it?

We've descended into a culture of needing something currently popular, a fad if you like, to have any sort of atmosphere at all. There was a time when numerous chants were belted out, sometimes loudly, sometimes not so loudly, but there was more chance of an atmosphere because people wouldn't get bored of the same chants.

We've focused on these modern chants too much and in the recent games I've gone to I've barely heard any of our older/original/more traditional songs at all. We used the new chants to help boost the atmosphere in the short term but in the long term, it's killed it.

The 'we love you' chant epitomises Modern 'Family Football'.. The kids and mums join in because they are effectively 'dancing' with their scarves twirling.

Let em learn 'Iwan is a Welshman' or 'Always shit on the red side of the Trent''. Etc.....

As I said earlier, what was once present is gone. Rightly or wrongly. I doubt it will ever come back.

lol

[Voll Blau]

Can't agree with this more. The 'loyal supporters' chant really is a pain in the arse.

I wonder which members of this very forum have chanted this? Both home and away?

Any? I wonder.....

It's embarrassing if people chant that because they've shelled out £30+ for an away and they think that makes them better than those who haven't.

But that is the problem, isn't it?

We've descended into a culture of needing something currently popular, a fad if you like, to have any sort of atmosphere at all. There was a time when numerous chants were belted out, sometimes loudly, sometimes not so loudly, but there was more chance of an atmosphere because people wouldn't get bored of the same chants.

We've focused on these modern chants too much and in the recent games I've gone to I've barely heard any of our older/original/more traditional songs at all. We used the new chants to help boost the atmosphere in the short term but in the long term, it's killed it.

Nailed it.

Oh, one more pet hate from the rare home games I attend nowadays (due to expense and living in exile up north).

Away fans sing generic song.

Leicester fans respond with the same generic song but replacing the away fans' team's name with "Leicester".

Winds me up something chronic.

[Lobsterboyuk]

The 'we love you' chant epitomises Modern 'Family Football'.. The kids and mums join in because they are effectively 'dancing' with their scarves twirling.

Let em learn 'Iwan is a Welshman' or 'Always shit on the red side of the Trent''. Etc.....

As I said earlier, what was once present is gone. Rightly or wrongly. I doubt it will ever come back.

lol

I hear some of the old songbook at most home games and I'm straight away joining in but sounds gash with 20 singing. Not enough are interested anymore. I'd rather have We Love You than a library

[Guest Col city fan]

I hear some of the old songbook at most home games and I'm straight away joining in but sounds gash with 20 singing. Not enough are interested anymore. I'd rather have We Love You than a library

Mate I'm not knocking you whatsoever. Without a doubt, some songs rather than no songs every time.

What I'm saying is its all changed. And won't return. Health and safety and the politically correct world we live in will see to that.

[The Year Of The Fox]

Can't agree with this more. The 'loyal supporters' chant really is a pain in the arse.

I wonder which members of this very forum have chanted this? Both home and away?

Any? I wonder.....

You'd be horrendously disappointed if this is aimed at me

At the end of the day, a poor atmosphere is everybody's problem because it must affect the way a team performs.

Of course you have the right to sit and be silent, it's a free country and as much as I or anyone else might want 30k mentalists rocking up every week going nuts with flags and smoke bombs for 90 minutes we've got to respect that some people just go to watch a game of football and may have done so for decades (folks like my Grandad when he was still alive for example).

That said, these sorts of people (and the club itself) also need to recognise the important role vocal support can play - and that there should be room to facilitate that. However, the club seems to only want to accommodate one kind of supporter at the moment - the ones with big wallets and a penchant for doing as they're told in the ground.

The main problems we have at Leicester are:

a) Twats who sit down and are silent, but only raise their voice in disapproval at the most minute mistake from a City player. There are too many of these cretins about, they're an embarrassment to our fanbase and quite frankly they can **** off forever as far as I'm concerned.

b) Singers who can't be bothered to learn the songbook or get genuine (i.e. not We Love You) original chants going.

c) Old boys who can't be arsed to pass the traditional songbook on to the younger generation and then moan about some of the idiotic crap that gets aired at our games.

d) Sheep who will only join in with chants if everyone else does. You have no right to moan about the atmosphere if you are one of these people. If no-one around you is singing, sing on your own. You're at a football match, who cares if you look daft FFS.

Not quite sure how we resolve this. Organisation? Maybe, but look at how the last attempt at that went. People really need to have the courage of their convictions if they want the situation to improve...

Bang on

[Lobsterboyuk]

Mate I'm not knocking you whatsoever. Without a doubt, some songs rather than no songs every time.

What I'm saying is its all changed. And won't return. Health and safety and the politically correct world we live in will see to that.

Agreed. Didn't think you were knocking me so no problems there.

A lot of the young uns in L1/K1 would never have been at Filbert Street. Poor old LCFCStu did get to go down and feel that buzz (especially around those Brian Little days, a good spell for the club and atmosphere in Pen 2 was cracking) leading into the MON era. He's being robbed today of that experience at an age where you can enjoy it most.

We're all going down to watch city for vastly different reasons, but now we're all thrust into each others faces, so conflict happens. Shame, but I don't blame any fans, all started going to shit with the Taylor report IMO. Some changes were needed, don't get me wrong but went way to far. I can't stand politicians and Daily Express readers who want to dictate how we must watch football to fit their own agendas.

[Guest Col city fan]

Agreed. Didn't think you were knocking me so no problems there.

A lot of the young uns in L1/K1 would never have been at Filbert Street. Poor old LCFCStu did get to go down and feel that buzz (especially around those Brian Little days, a good spell for the club and atmosphere in Pen 2 was cracking) leading into the MON era. He's being robbed today of that experience at an age where you can enjoy it most.

We're all going down to watch city for vastly different reasons, but now we're all thrust into each others faces, so conflict happens. Shame, but I don't blame any fans, all started going to shit with the Taylor report IMO. Some changes were needed, don't get me wrong but went way to far. I can't stand politicians and Daily Express readers who want to dictate how we must watch football to fit their own agendas.

[Bayfox]

Ffs this thread is part of the reason i sometimes dispare at our club and fans.

Having spent a number of my younger years going to filbert st in all areas of the ground. I spent the last 6 or so seasons as a st holder in sk1 late teens/early 20s and used to love the whole experience of it. Crammed in 6 to a seat. Banter with the away fans. The atmosphere was great. Few beers sing for 90mins if my voice would take it.

Now i'm married have 2 kids don't get as drunk and my club isn't the most important thing in the world any more.

Shock horror people change. But really are we having an arguement about age. We all go for the same reasons. Love for our club and our love of football. We may all show it in different ways.

I for one would love the kop to be like it once was but i won't move to L1 as i like to watch the game from behind the goal. I will sing and back my team. But i will boo them off the pitch if i feel they deserve it.

At the end of the day we all want one thing success for our club and everyones money is as good as mine or yours.

And at the risk of siding with the oldies. A few of them could show you scarf twirling youngsters with about 4 songs a thing or 2 because from my very drunk memory filbert way isn't a patch on filbert st. Loudest fans in the country once you know.

[Voll Blau]

And at the risk of siding with the oldies. A few of them could show you scarf twirling youngsters with about 4 songs a thing or 2 because from my very drunk memory filbert way isn't a patch on filbert st. Loudest fans in the country once you know.

No one's stopping you...