Paedophilia

[Zingari]

I've always considered paedophilia to be a distinct sexual orientation and I was under the impression that it was considered as such by the experts anyway. There is this notion that all paedophiles are 'evil' and while some paedophiles are responsible for some despicable acts I would imagine that there are plenty who fancy kids who don't act upon it.

The moral issue isn't that some people are attracted to children at all, but one of informed consent. A child cannot give informed consent and so any sexual act committed with a child should be considered criminal. A person who is attracted to children should not be considered criminal or deviant if they have not committed any crime. And they aren't, generally, because you don't get many people coming out and telling the world "Hey! I fancy kids but don't worry, I'm not going to **** any!".

Good points there.

Maybe it should be treated in just the same way as a mental illness and those who know they have this tendency should be actively encouraged to seek medical help ( although i'm not sure what form that would take ).

[ADK]

Cooling reads the Guardian?

[acooling08]

lol !!! ??? !!! ?!?!?!!

Cooling reads the Guardian?

Scrolling down Google News, if I see a headline that catches my attention I'll read it whatever the source.

[lavrentis]

Scrolling down Google News, if I see a headline that catches my attention I'll read it whatever the source.

You mean you read the story without having a biased foresight of the paper beforehand to alter your view!?!?

How ludicrous everyone!?!?

[Guest MattP]

I'm amazed the Guardian managed to stop advertising Argentine propaganda enough to get round to peadophiles.

I'll give them one thing though, they clearly know their audience.

[Jon the Hat]

I'm amazed the Guardian managed to stop advertising Argentine propaganda enough to get round to peadophiles.

I'll give them one thing though, they clearly know their audience.

I'm amazed google think the Guardian prints news!!

[Captain...]

Frankly I agree that Paedophiles are genetically pre-disposed in the same way as any other sexual disposition. The problem is that their fetishes are so blatantly morally wrong which raises the question of how best to address the issue. Obviously letting them actually have sex with kids is out the window, as is allowing them access to child porn, but what about things like child-sized sex dolls, or hentai-style porn with kids in? I don't know about the former, but the latter is an actual thing, genre even*, that already exists anyway and I see no problem in paedos wanking to it if it addresses their urges.

*link to a wikipedia page fyi, not porn - even so it's probably best if you don't let anyone catch you reading it at work to avoid awkward workplace relations.

I don't know if everyone agrees with that, there are certainly some cases which people believe it to be a genetic predisposition, but many more where it is born out of abuse and a violent abusive childhood. Where it has come about as a result of an abusive environment I believe it could be cured, and certainly shouldn't be encouraged by giving them child sex dolls or animated child pornography, hentai is more 13-14 year olds then little kiddies from my understanding. Where it is a genetic predisposition then it can't be cured, but other behaviours can be taught, whilst you can't stop someone from finding kids attractive you can teach/train not sure the correct word here to be able to appreciate the love of a woman.

I agree they can't be cured and arguably they do have an unfortunate sexual liking. However, as with a lot of sex crime it about power and deception, consent has no part in it and they get off on a power trip. There are some truly evil child molesters out there and unfortunately I have met and spoke to several who are very arrogant in the defence of this sexual preference and their desires are in no way a loving sexual act.

It will always be a criminal act and sentences should be long, I have work mates who have been traumatised by working in child protection from the stories they have to hear from offenders who get off on recounting their experiences in great detail.

I agree that for a lot of paedophiles it is about power, and these are usually ones that have these feelings because of childhood abuse, but I disagree I think they can be cured.

What I do think though is that there is a point at which we perhaps shouldn't demonise those with these problems that have committed no crime, and people should be able to talk freely abut it and get help when they think that they might possibly be a Paedophile. As long as no crime is committed.

I studied Law at a-level and there was a case abut a man who knew he had a predisposition to young boys, and he knew it was wrong, he was able to control it except for when he was drunk, so he ensured that he would never get drunk if there were any young boys present. He got set-up by some colleagues who got him drunk and then left him alone with a young boy and he committed an offence.

The point of studying it was to show that being drunk is not a defence, I think, it was a while ago no, but I do always remember in that he knew he had this attraction, he knew it was wrong, it gave them impression he was quite open about it and had learnt to control it, the fact he got exploited is another matter, but on some level the more we bury it and demonise people who have feelings they didn't ask for and don't want, we should perhaps be more open to discussing it.

[BoneDog]

My problem is that labelling paedophilia a sexual preference along the same lines of heterosexuality and homosexuality gives it a legitimacy it doesn't deserve.

Exactly.

I'd much rather it stays classified as a heinous crime rather than a 'sexual preference'. Pretty sure that all sensible people would like it to stay that way too.

Edit : To clarify, I'm talking about proper pedos, and not 17 year old lads whose girlfriend is 15 or owt like that.

To double clarify, a 'proper pedo' is a kiddy fiddler. Prison's too good for them.

[acooling08]

Exactly.

I'd much rather it stays classified as a heinous crime rather than a 'sexual preference'. Pretty sure that all sensible people would like it to stay that way too.

Edit : To clarify, I'm talking about proper pedos, and not 17 year old lads whose girlfriend is 15 or owt like that.

To double clarify, a 'proper pedo' is a kiddy fiddler. Prison's too good for them.

Of course having sexual relations with a young child is unnacceptable and should always be seen as a heinous crime, but what about those who have sexual attraction to children but do not act on it. Instead of thinking of them as disgusting perverts, maybe seeing them as being mentally ill is more accurate.

Homosexuality has changed from a disgusting and dirty illness to a socially acceptable sexual preference. Maybe paedophilia should change from a disgusting and dirty illness to a socially unacceptable sexual preference.

[Vacamion]

Of course having sexual relations with a young child is unnacceptable and should always be seen as a heinous crime, but what about those who have sexual attraction to children but do not act on it. Instead of thinking of them as disgusting perverts, maybe seeing them as being mentally ill is more accurate.

Homosexuality has changed from a disgusting and dirty illness to a socially acceptable sexual preference. Maybe paedophilia should change from a disgusting and dirty illness to a socially unacceptable sexual preference.

The "UN" in your post was mighty small and I for one did a double take...phew...

[21st Century Fox]

The irony of coolings avatar isn't lost either.

[The Doctor]

Exactly.

I'd much rather it stays classified as a heinous crime rather than a 'sexual preference'. Pretty sure that all sensible people would like it to stay that way too.

Edit : To clarify, I'm talking about proper pedos, and not 17 year old lads whose girlfriend is 15 or owt like that.

To double clarify, a 'proper pedo' is a kiddy fiddler. Prison's too good for them.

Unless of course they're a man in a dress, or a middle-aged arab merchant

[ADK]

Remember watching a documentary where they were following some paedophile around, it ended with him getting a prison sentence and then committing suicide. It was weird because you couldn't help but feel sorry for him despite the fact he'd been caught raping young boys.

[FoxyPV]

Of course having sexual relations with a young child is unnacceptable and should always be seen as a heinous crime, but what about those who have sexual attraction to children but do not act on it. Instead of thinking of them as disgusting perverts, maybe seeing them as being mentally ill is more accurate.

Homosexuality has changed from a disgusting and dirty illness to a socially acceptable sexual preference. Maybe paedophilia should change from a disgusting and dirty illness to a socially unacceptable sexual preference.

Paedophiles are sexually attracted to children.

There is no middle ground here.

If a person (of any age - let's fall into the trap that these scum are old) acknowledges this yet in trying not to act upon this looks at child porn, is that ok? No, it's not because they will be watching images of an unknown chikd being abused.

What if it all gets too much and they do act on their urges?

Unacceptable isn't hard enough for these scum. They should be killed.

[Phube]

I heard an interesting point from a chap on the radio the other day (I think he worked for a child abuse help charity). Stating the point that, technically, we have all been sexually attracted to 'underaged' girls. By virtue of the fact that when were 11-13 (or it seems even younger nowadays!) and just starting to notice the other sex, we fancied girls of the same age. The difference, he was saying, is that as people grow up and so does the age of the girls they like, but some men's preferences never develop.

The same way in which some men will always be attracted to 21 year olds even when they are 75 etc.

[MooseBreath]

Some men? Surely you mean all men

[Bayfox]

I heard an interesting point from a chap on the radio the other day (I think he worked for a child abuse help charity). Stating the point that, technically, we have all been sexually attracted to 'underaged' girls. By virtue of the fact that when were 11-13 (or it seems even younger nowadays!) and just starting to notice the other sex, we fancied girls of the same age. The difference, he was saying, is that as people grow up and so does the age of the girls they like, but some men's preferences never develop.

The same way in which some men will always be attracted to 21 year olds even when they are 75 etc.

Pretty sure i will fancy a few 21 year olds when i'm 75. However thats not the point is it.

I won't pay much attention to a 13 year old at 45. Why because i consider it wrong.

Oh and if the 21 year old wants to make a mature, rational decision to hop into bed with a 75 year old me on a regular basis. Then label me what you want. But happy i will be.

[Jimothy]

Pretty sure i will fancy a few 21 year olds when i'm 75. However thats not the point is it.

I won't pay much attention to a 13 year old at 45. Why because i consider it wrong.

Oh and if the 21 year old wants to make a mature, rational decision to hop into bed with a 75 year old me on a regular basis. Then label me what you want. But happy i will be.

A legend.

[Mack]

I suppose the notion of nonce's being of a sexual orientation also depends on whether you think homosexuality is also the same.

One this is for sure and that there is nothing remotely funny or of comedy value in men abusing young children.

It is sick, wrong and for me would be punished with the removal on their private parts.

[Rincewind]

How many of you men on here young and old lust after some of the women on the Hottest Celeb Thread? If you found out that one that had been posted was only 13 tr old would you confess to being a perv?

[Bayfox]

How many of you men on here young and old lust after some of the women on the Hottest Celeb Thread? If you found out that one that had been posted was only 13 tr old would you confess to being a perv?

Not sure but i'd question the person who posted it.

[BoneDog]

Of course having sexual relations with a young child is unnacceptable and should always be seen as a heinous crime, but what about those who have sexual attraction to children but do not act on it. Instead of thinking of them as disgusting perverts, maybe seeing them as being mentally ill is more accurate.

Homosexuality has changed from a disgusting and dirty illness to a socially acceptable sexual preference. Maybe paedophilia should change from a disgusting and dirty illness to a socially unacceptable sexual preference.

I haven't got a clue what to say about those people really.

My point is just to do with the actual pedos who commit the crime.

The irony of coolings avatar isn't lost either.

Who is the guy with Jacko in that pic?

Unless of course they're a man in a dress, or a middle-aged arab merchant

I guess you're talking about Mohammad?

I'm pretty sure I've mentioned before that the age of Aisha was 19. And she would have been an actual grown up woman by that age in those times. Probably more grown up than alot of 30 year olds nowadays.

The people who don't know about the age of Aisha (including the many Muslims who don't know) are not scholars like myself and should be ashamed of such slander! Somebody has done a good job of twisting history, and we can be sure that they had an agenda.

[Haydos]

Paedophiles are sexually attracted to children.

There is no middle ground here.

If a person (of any age - let's fall into the trap that these scum are old) acknowledges this yet in trying not to act upon this looks at child porn, is that ok? No, it's not because they will be watching images of an unknown chikd being abused.

What if it all gets too much and they do act on their urges?

Unacceptable isn't hard enough for these scum. They should be killed.

So if someone accepts they're a paedophile, never acts upon it (porn or worse) and seeks help then they deserve death? Or do you mean if they do act upon it?

[AyewJoking]

so if fancying children is a sexual pref. does that mean paedo's would turn down a good looking woman of age?

[Phube]

I won't pay much attention to a 13 year old at 45. Why because i consider it wrong.

That was his other point.

You didn't say "because I don't". You state your brain/consciousness/morals tell you it's wrong.