Pearson In/Out

[MC Prussian]

Of course it is. It is used to compare him with other managers. You cannot compare his League One record with managers who have managed us at higher levels. If you want to compare his Championship record to other managers who have managed at that level then fine, it becomes a fair comparison. If you want to compare him against managers who have managed in the top flight then unlucky, he has never earned that right.

If I was a 100 metre runner there's a pretty good chance I'll have a higher percentage 'finishing the race' rate than a marathon runner. But it's not a fair comparison, is it?

No you don't. Because you're brought up, trained and prepared in different ways. And you still have to finish the race. Plus, there are other parameters that can influence your individual race. Weather, competition, immediate preparation, personal issues and whatnot.

I wish some people wouldn't downplay Pearson's impact during our League One season.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Ferguson also had the slight advantage of having a CV which boasted 4 league titles, 4 Scottish Cups, a Scottish League Cup, the UEFA Cup and the UEFA Super Cup. Unless I popped out to the shops for longer than I thought I'm pretty sure Pearson's CV doesn't quite match that.

yeah good point Mike

[MC Prussian]

Make your mind up MC the remit is promotion FFS, not a long term building project then promotion ala the Sheepshaggers.

And this exactly why you can only but be disappointed.

If you see promotion as an easy task that can (only) be achieved within the space of one season or one-and-a-half seasons, then enjoy your own individual moment or personal delusion of grandeur.

Your "hire and fire" approach will never work because it only spells temporary success. Whatever that success might be - be it only sacking a successful manager.

[fleckneymike]

yeah good point Mike

In fairness I do tend to dawdle when walking to the corner shop so he might have

[fleckneymike]

And this exactly why you can only but be disappointed.

If you see promotion as an easy task that can (only) be achieved within the space of one season or one-and-a-half seasons, then enjoy your own individual moment or personal delusion of grandeur.

Your "hire and fire" approach will never work because it only spells temporary success. Whatever that success might be - be it only sacking a successful manager.

Again you're confusing 'us' with the 'owners'. What we want is irrelevant, no one called for Sven's head yet off he popped because the Thais felt that he wouldn't/couldn't get them promoted at the second attempt but Pearson could. Now if Pearson can't (and I think most sane people wish he could) he too wil be waved a cheery tara!.

[Happy Fox]

And this exactly why you can only but be disappointed.

If you see promotion as an easy task that can (only) be achieved within the space of one season or one-and-a-half seasons, then enjoy your own individual moment or personal delusion of grandeur.

Your "hire and fire" approach will never work because it only spells temporary success. Whatever that success might be - be it only sacking a successful manager.

No I don't see it as an easy task, but someone with tactical acumen and who is better manager could achieve that for example Adkins and Di Matteo but then again I suppose it was a fluke how they led their respective teams to automatic promotion in one season..

[Bob Weasel Fox]

In fairness I do tend to dawdle when walking to the corner shop so he might have

unless your nearest shop is in Alaska i doubt Pearson has had enough time to get that cv

[fleckneymike]

No I don't see it as an easy task, but someone with tactical acumen and who is better manager could achieve that for example Adkins and Di Matteo but then again I suppose it was a fluke how they led their respective teams to automatic promotion in one season..

And Adams. And Lambert.

And Hollowhead via the playoffs, and MON, and Davies, and (shudder) Roy Keane, and Brendan Rogers,

actually come to think of it...

[LJS]

No you don't. Because you're brought up, trained and prepared in different ways. And you still have to finish the race. Plus, there are other parameters that can influence your individual race. Weather, competition, immediate preparation, personal issues and whatnot.

I wish some people wouldn't downplay Pearson's impact during our League One season.

I'm not downplaying it. I'm making the blindingly obvious point that his winning percentage isn't comparable by any objective measure to that of other managers who have never managed there.

And I wish people wouldn't overplay his impact in League One. We should have won that league. Not to have done so would have been a huge failure. When I make this point people tend to cite other big clubs who have failed to return first time. This says something about their metality; they judge whether or not we are succesful by the failure of others. It's the same when people say Pearson is good 'because those before and after him were bad'. Jesus. Really?

[LJS]

And this exactly why you can only but be disappointed.

If you see promotion as an easy task that can (only) be achieved within the space of one season or one-and-a-half seasons, then enjoy your own individual moment or personal delusion of grandeur.

Your "hire and fire" approach will never work because it only spells temporary success. Whatever that success might be - be it only sacking a successful manager.

It isn't the sacking of managers that is wrong. It's the appointment of bad ones afterwards. If we sack Pearson and the next manager does badly it doesn't mean that sacking Pearson was a poor decision. It means that the appointment which follows was. I somebody is doing a job badly then why keep the on?

Stability isn't positive of itself. It's counterproductive if it brings no success. People cite the likes of Ferguson and Wenger. But they got time because they were good. They didn't become good because they had time. Besides, Pearson has been here for eighteen months in his second spell. He hasn't improved us enough for his outlay and I strongly suspect that at the end of the season, should he remain, it will become apparent that he hasn't improved us from last season at all. I'd love him to prove me wrong. I can't see where that's coming from though.

[fleckneymike]

It isn't the sacking of managers that is wrong. It's the appointment of bad ones afterwards. If we sack Pearson and the next manager does badly it doesn't mean that sacking Pearson was a poor decision. It means that the appointment which follows was. I somebody is doing a job badly then why keep the on?

Stability isn't positive of itself. It's counterproductive if it brings no success. People cite the likes of Ferguson and Wenger. But they got time because they were good. They didn't become good because they had time. Besides, Pearson has been here for eighteen months in his second spell. He hasn't improved us enough for his outlay and I strongly suspect that at the end of the season, should he remain, it will become apparent that he hasn't improved us from last season at all. I'd love him to prove me wrong. I can't see where that's coming from though.

Yeah but it's not like Hull have prospered in his absence is it!....Oh hang on...

[MC Prussian]

I'm not downplaying it. I'm making the blindingly obvious point that his winning percentage isn't comparable by any objective measure to that of other managers who have never managed there.

And I wish people wouldn't overplay his impact in League One. We should have won that league. Not to have done so would have been a huge failure. When I make this point people tend to cite other big clubs who have failed to return first time. This says something about their metality; they judge whether or not we are succesful by the failure of others. It's the same when people say Pearson is good 'because those before and after him were bad'. Jesus. Really?

It's safe to say every fan or every other club who's employed a manager who's turned the club's fortunes around in comparison to his predecessor(s) will say the same.

You say Pearson is bad. I'm sure he could manage a Scottish team and accumulate a couple of trophies in a short period of time. Because, bar a few exceptions, the Scottish league is pretty cr*p.

The League One season was never compared by the failure of others. It was a completely new environment for us as a club (there's only eight clubs left who've ever been spared the joy) and it allowed us to start with a clean slate, so to speak. Then we managed to get to the playoffs the following season upon promotion and the owners' thank you message to the manager was to give him his marching orders. I do believe they have something to make up for and that they have the confidence that Pearson can guide us to promotion. Maybe not this season (although I also hope we give it our best shot while we have the chance), but look at how long it's taken Cardiff to where they are right now (when you ignore the whole re-branding idea and the dubious intentions by their respective owners).

[MC Prussian]

Yeah but it's not like Hull have prospered in his absence is it!....Oh hang on...

After two years in the top flight, followed by parachute money from the league and wealthy owners of their own.

Oh, and I didn't know Pearson had managed in the Premier League before... Unlike a certain Mr. Steve Bruce.

[fleckneymike]

After two years in the top flight, followed by parachute money from the league and wealthy owners of their own.

Oh, and I didn't know Pearson had managed in the Premier League before... Unlike a certain Mr. Steve Bruce.

We've accrued a wage bill of nearly £30m pounds per season (Hulls is £18m, http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/Reaching-Premier-League-way-Allams-relieve/story-17565488-detail/story.html#axzz2Nq38frdY).

[LJS]

It's safe to say every fan or every other club who's employed a manager who's turned the club's fortunes around in comparison to his predecessor(s) will say the same.

You say Pearson is bad. I'm sure he could manage a Scottish team and accumulate a couple of trophies in a short period of time. Because, bar a few exceptions, the Scottish league is pretty cr*p.

The League One season was never compared by the failure of others. it was a completely new environment for us as a club (there's only eight clubs left who've ever been spared the joy) and it allowed us to start with a clean slate, so to speak. Then we managed to get to the playoffs the following season upon promotion and the owners' thank you message to the manager was to give him his marching orders. I do believe they have something to make up for and that they have the confidence that Pearson can guide us to promotion. Maybe not this season (although I also hope we give it our best shot while we have the chance), but look at how long it's taken Cardiff to where they are right now (when you ignore the whole re-branding idea and the dubious intentions by their respective owners).

I don't understand where the reference to the Scottish league comes from? Presumably a Neil Lennon link? I think Lennon would be an appalling choice of manager for us.

It has taken Cardiff a while to get to where they are now. But they sacked a manager who consistently failed to win promotion. Two years on and look at them go. Pearson will have had about that long come the end of the season. I suspect he will fail to make the play offs. That will be a failure. I'm not desperate for Pearson to go this instant, although it would be my favoured option. I see the logic of keeping him until the end of the season. I just think getting somebody new in now is worth the gamble.

[MC Prussian]

I don't understand where the reference to the Scottish league comes from? Presumably a Neil Lennon link? I think Lennon would be an appalling choice of manager for us.

It has taken Cardiff a while to get to where they are now. But they sacked a manager who consistently failed to win promotion. Two years on and look at them go. Pearson will have had about that long come the end of the season. I suspect he will fail to make the play offs. That will be a failure. I'm not desperate for Pearson to go this instant, although it would be my favoured option. I see the logic of keeping him until the end of the season. I just think getting somebody new in now is worth the gamble.

Chopping and changing the manager hasn't worked in our favour for years, if not decades. Why would it work now? And why do you want Pearson to fail - isn't that a heinous thought? Especially given the fact that he's been at this club before?

I also believe Cardiff's owners have pumped in their fair share of (legitimate or illegitimate) money into the club and opened the cheque book more than just a few insignificant times.

Failing to reach the playoffs this season is not such a complete failure in my eyes. If this scenario should come true, I'd be merely disappointed given the fact that we once were second and let it slide so carelessly or foolishly. That's a more bitter pill to swallow, knowing that we've got this potential or once had it, but weren't able to profit from it or call it up for the duration of an entire season. The foundations under Pearson are there, however. And with a few precise and fitting player additions, we could walk this league anytime. I mean "walk" in a Championship kind of way.

Btw, the Scottish link was a reference to Sir Alex Ferguson's achievements in his early managing career.

[fleckneymike]

It hasn't worked in our favour for years, if not decades. Why would it work now? And why do you want Pearson to fail - isn't that a heinous thought?

I also believe Cardiff's owners have pumped in their fair share of (legitimate) money into the club and opened the cheque book more than just a few insignificant times.

Failing to reach the playoffs this season is not a failure in my eyes, If this scenario should come true, I'd be merely disappointed given the fact that we once were second and let it slide or carelessly. That's a more bitter pill to swallow, knowing that we've got this potential or once had it, but weren't able to profit from it for the duration of an entire season. The foundations under Pearson are there, however. And with a few precise and fitting player additions, we could walk this league anytime. I mean, "walk" in a Championship kind of way.

Btw, the Scottish link was a reference to Sir Alex Ferguson's achievements in his early managing career.

Paying THIRTY MILLION ****ING POUNDS IN WAGES and not making the playoffs not failure. **** a duck.

[LJS]

It hasn't worked in our favour for years, if not decades. Why would it work now? And why do you want Pearson to fail - isn't that a heinous thought?

I also believe Cardiff's owners have pumped in their fair share of (legitimate) money into the club and opened the cheque book more than just a few insignificant times.

Failing to reach the playoffs this season is not a failure in my eyes, If this scenario should come true, I'd be merely disappointed given the fact that we once were second and let it slide or carelessly. That's a more bitter pill to swallow, knowing that we've got this potential or once had it, but weren't able to profit from it for the duration of an entire season. The foundations under Pearson are there, however. And with a few precise and fitting player additions, we could walk this league anytime. I mean, "walk" in a Championship kind of way.

Where have I said I want Pearson to fail? Of course I don't want him to fail. I've said. I think he is failing. That's very different. Again, the reason changing managers has failed in the past is because the subsequent appointments have been poor ones. It isn't the change itself that causes subsequent failure. I think if we keep him the season will peter out. I think if he is replaced there is a chance the new man is better and that we will have some chance of promotion, as opposed to none (in my view) now. I actually think this side is capable of winning this league now. I just think Pearson has managed them badly up to this point.

As for Cardiff's dodgy money; ours isn't exactly clean. King Power is a very dodgy company indeed.

[MC Prussian]

Paying THIRTY MILLION ****ING POUNDS IN WAGES and not making the playoffs not failure. **** a duck.

Has this number ever been confirmed? And are we talking wages under Pearson or wages under the regime of the new consortium here?

I'm sure Mandaric spent millions on new players over the years and all we got was relegation to League One.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Paying THIRTY MILLION ****ING POUNDS IN WAGES and not making the playoffs not failure. **** a duck.

Apologies but I about choked on my cornflakes laughing at that

[fleckneymike]

Apologies but I about choked on my cornflakes laughing at that

Old Weetabix hair has been backed like a bastard and yet 7th is still ok for some! To put it in perspective, we are paying £12m MORE than Hull, if we can't ****ing get promoted with a £12 million pound head start then god help us.

[MC Prussian]

Where have I said I want Pearson to fail? Of course I don't want him to fail. I've said. I think he is failing. That's very different. Again, the reason changing managers has failed in the past is because the subsequent appointments have been poor ones. It isn't the change itself that causes subsequent failure. I think if we keep him the season will peter out. I think if he is replaced there is a chance the new man is better and that we will have some chance of promotion, as opposed to none (in my view) now. I actually think this side is capable of winning this league now. I just think Pearson has managed them badly up to this point.

As for Cardiff's dodgy money; ours isn't exactly clean. King Power is a very dodgy company indeed.

But that comes close to an absolute statement.

When you look at the last eight games, he has managed the team poorly indeed and I'm still somewhat stunned as to why this sudden drop has occurred.

But when you consider his current achievement over the course of the entire season as of yet, he has not failed at all.

Besides, whom would you appoint as his replacement should he ever get axed in the near future? The usual suspects like Adkins et al.?

[fleckneymike]

Has this number ever been confirmed? And are we talking wages under Pearson or wages under the regime of the new consortium here?

I'm sure Mandaric spent millions on new players over the years and all we got was relegation to League One.

Read it and crack out the party poppers to celebrate our non failure

http://foxblogger.wordpress.com/2013/03/10/what-leicester-citys-finances-mean-for-nigel-pearsons-future/

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Old Weetabix hair has been backed like a bastard and yet 7th is still ok for some! To put it in perspective, we are paying £12m MORE than Hull, if we can't ****ing get promoted with a £12 million pound head start then god help us.

I agree Mike tbf, things need shaking up badly

[LJS]

But that comes close to an absolute statement.

When you look at the last eight games, he has managed the team poorly indeed and I'm still somewhat stunned as to why this sudden drop has occurred.

But when you consider his current achievement over the course of the entire season as of yet, he has not failed at all.

Besides, whom would you appoint as his replacement should he ever get axed in the near future? The usual suspects like Adkins et al.?

It does come close to an absolute statement, yes. So what?

I'm not looking at just the last eight games. Even if the season were to finish now I think 6th is a poor return for the backing and the time he has been given. Pearson would love the season to finish now because our play off place is looking very shakey indeed.

Adkins would certainly be a candidate. His record is far better than Pearson's is. There are others who also have better records than that of Pearson at this level. Pearson's own record is nothing to write home about.