Pearson In/Out

[MattyFromLE]

I think people are perhaps getting a little bit caught up in the "we've spent x amount of money more than Hull etc" argument. This may be true and I face value should surely mean that we'd be competing like we were, for an automatic place, but. As we've seen ourselves money doesn't guarantee success. We've spent a lot yes - but I wouldn't say that we've spent much this season compared to Sven's tenure.

My point is generally the signings Pearson has made have been pretty good. Bar Vardy and Futacs, maybe. But just because we've splashed the cash - doesn't give us a right to rip everyone 6-0.

The last 9 games have been awful and even as an optimist - I am finding it hard to see where these points will come from. It would appear the lads are going to Portugal for a break. Lets hope it does them some good to be away for a week, resolve any issues, and come back fresh and ready for the run in.

Get behind em.

[MC Prussian]

Read it and crack out the party poppers to celebrate our non failure

http://foxblogger.wo...earsons-future/

Is this the mix 'n match season?

Foxblogger does state the overall amount, which is in the region of roughly £26m (still a steep number, I concur), but he can't and won't indulge in exploring the detailed costs and wages of individual players. The report does also not state whether the players that aided in raising our wage structure where bought by Pearson's predecessors (Jermaine Beckford, John Pantsil or Michael Johnson spring to mind).

I think both personally, professionally and financially, Pearson will be getting at least one more shot at promotion next season. And I do believe he's brought down the wage structure already quite significantly with rather shrewd and relatively cheap signings. Offloading some of the (undeserved) big earners from previous eras/seasons will be a top priority.

[Rusko187]

I've backed NP and myself have said that the club needs stability but to be honest my views have changed. Whilst he is a good manager we need someone to take us forward from here, I've found it concerning that quite a fair few players who become good often have a fall-out with NP which leads me to question his management of "bigger" players.

I'm not sure who I want to take us forward, would like to have McDermott here but hey who knows!

[fleckneymike]

I think people are perhaps getting a little bit caught up in the "we've spent x amount of money more than Hull etc" argument. This may be true and I face value should surely mean that we'd be competing like we were, for an automatic place, but. As we've seen ourselves money doesn't guarantee success. We've spent a lot yes - but I wouldn't say that we've spent much this season compared to Sven's tenure.

My point is generally the signings Pearson has made have been pretty good. Bar Vardy and Futacs, maybe. But just because we've splashed the cash - doesn't give us a right to rip everyone 6-0.

The last 9 games have been awful and even as an optimist - I am finding it hard to see where these points will come from. It would appear the lads are going to Portugal for a break. Lets hope it does them some good to be away for a week, resolve any issues, and come back fresh and ready for the run in.

Get behind em.

We've not spend a bit more than Hull, we've been paying almost double what they have. No one is claiming that we should be 'ripping sides 6-0' but I don't think its too outrageous to expect the manager who is paid £1m and came in with the clear instruction to get us promoted to get us promoted. I think a £12m head start should give him a reasonable chance of achieving this.

[MattyFromLE]

I've backed NP and myself have said that the club needs stability but to be honest my views have changed. Whilst he is a good manager we need someone to take us forward from here, I've found it concerning that quite a fair few players who become good often have a fall-out with NP which leads me to question his management of "bigger" players.

I'm not sure who I want to take us forward, would like to have McDermott here but hey who knows!

Hang on! Who has he fallen out with?

[Rusko187]

Hang on! Who has he fallen out with?

Not recently but he has had a history of falling out with players, and obviously if recent rumours are anything to suggest things aren't so rosey right now with Wood.

[MattyFromLE]

We've not spend a bit more than Hull, we've been paying almost double what they have. No one is claiming that we should be 'ripping sides 6-0' but I don't think its too outrageous to expect the manager who is paid £1m and came in with the clear instruction to get us promoted to get us promoted. I think a £12m head start should give him a reasonable chance of achieving this.

Maybe so. But what if that £12m was only ample to rebuild the squad to the same level of Hull's? I'm not knocking his recruitment skills as the signings he's made have been decent. But it's more or less been one in one out.

The final part of the rebuilding plan needs to be this summer. We'd all agree that with 4 or 5 quality additions would make us very strong.

[MattyFromLE]

Not recently but he has had a history of falling out with players, and obviously if recent rumours are anything to suggest things aren't so rosey right now with Wood.

Name a fall out with one of his players then. That was 100% confirmed and not just something you heard from a mates dads sons dogs mother-in-law who heard off of the milk man.

[MC Prussian]

Not recently but he has had a history of falling out with players, and obviously if recent rumours are anything to suggest things aren't so rosey right now with Wood.

Has any of this ever been confirmed? No.

And rumours are just what they are... rumours. Anyone can spread them.

[fleckneymike]

Is this the mix 'n match season?

Foxblogger does state the overall amount, which is in the region of roughly £26m (still a steep number, I concur), but he can't and won't indulge in exploring the detailed costs and wages of individual players. The report does also not state whether the players that aided in raising our wage structure where bought by Pearson's predecessors (Jermaine Beckford, John Pantsil or Michael Johnson spring to mind).

I think both personally, professionally and financially, Pearson will be getting at least one more shot at promotion next season. And I do believe he's brought down the wage structure already quite significantly with rather shrewd and relatively cheap signings. Offloading some of the (undeserved) big earners from previous eras/seasons will be a top priority.

You what? He's put helpful numbers on his graph to indicate both the year and the amount. He even wrote "Wages soaring to nearly £28m. The club’s debt to its Thai owners rising to an estimated £100m."

£12m extra works out at 230k a week, A ****ING WEEK!

[fleckneymike]

Maybe so. But what if that £12m was only ample to rebuild the squad to the same level of Hull's? I'm not knocking his recruitment skills as the signings he's made have been decent. But it's more or less been one in one out.

The final part of the rebuilding plan needs to be this summer. We'd all agree that with 4 or 5 quality additions would make us very strong.

I'd ask what the other ****ing £18m is going on! How's about we utilise the near £30m worth of wages rather than spunking more money we don't have on 4 or 5 'quality' additions.

[Rusko187]

Name a fall out with one of his players then. That was 100% confirmed and not just something you heard from a mates dads sons dogs mother-in-law who heard off of the milk man.

Has any of this ever been confirmed? No.

And rumours are just what they are... rumours. Anyone can spread them.

You guys are perhaps right...but I know if I had a bust up with my gaffer I wouldn't come out to the press/public about it.

[MC Prussian]

You what? He's put helpful numbers on his graph to indicate both the year and the amount. He even wrote "Wages soaring to nearly £28m. The club’s debt to its Thai owners rising to an estimated £100m."

£12m extra works out at 230k a week, A ****ING WEEK!

You know, even I can get that calculator out and do the math. But what does it prove other than stating the obvious? And how does this help any of us?

I'd much rather see the results and the wage structure in particular this time around next year. Because at this level, financial stability is more important than promotion. At least in the long run.

[MC Prussian]

You guys are perhaps right...but I know if I had a bust up with my gaffer I wouldn't come out to the press/public about it.

Especially if you were the one responsible for it due to bad attitude or bad working habits.

Besides, there's always a grey area when both parties are right (or wrong) to a certain extent.

And with football rumours, one thing is definitely certain... they mostly contain nothing but hot air.

[MattyFromLE]

I'd ask what the other ****ing £18m is going on! How's about we utilise the near £30m worth of wages rather than spunking more money we don't have on 4 or 5 'quality' additions.

Because part of our stupidly high wage bill, is the deadwood that we don't need. Gally and Wellens will be high earners, Danns too. Beckford also. Shift those 4 of the wage bill and I bet we'd be at least 80k a week better off.

The other £18m? Well Pearson didn't spend it did he? 1m for Vardy, Drinkwater, James and RDL = 4m. Reported 2m for Knocky. Then another £1m us for Wood... Bar Vardy, those signings have all been pivotal in our success so far this season.

Then there was a million for Wes and Marshall... That still only gets to just about £10m right? Not sure if I've missed anyone out in fairness.

[fleckneymike]

Because part of our stupidly high wage bill, is the deadwood that we don't need. Gally and Wellens will be high earners, Danns too. Beckford also. Shift those 4 of the wage bill and I bet we'd be at least 80k a week better off.

The other £18m? Well Pearson didn't spend it did he? 1m for Vardy, Drinkwater, James and RDL = 4m. Reported 2m for Knocky. Then another £1m us for Wood... Bar Vardy, those signings have all been pivotal in our success so far this season.

Then there was a million for Wes and Marshall... That still only gets to just about £10m right? Not sure if I've missed anyone out in fairness.

That £30m is WAGES ONLY. It's not transfer fees so I'm not entirely sure why you're quoting transfer fees.

[MattyFromLE]

That £30m is WAGES ONLY. It's not transfer fees.

Ah right. I didn't realise. Still - that fee has to be in someway influenced by the inflation of wages that Sven/Andrew Neville gave to the likes of Gally, Wellens, Danns and Beckford. With the amount of players that Pearson signed I'd expect them to earn less that those 4.

I still don't see how even though we've spent loads of money, why we should be doing any better than someone like Hull, or Palace etc.

If the money we've spent has only bought the squad upto the same level after clearing out some of the awful players bought in previous seasons - then why should we be any better that the teams mentioned above?

[fleckneymike]

Ah right. I didn't realise. Still - that fee has to be in someway influenced by the inflation of wages that Sven/Andrew Neville gave to the likes of Gally, Wellens, Danns and Beckford. With the amount of players that Pearson signed I'd expect them to earn less that those 4.

I still don't see how even though we've spent loads of money, why we should be doing any better than someone like Hull, or Palace etc.

If the money we've spent has only bought the squad upto the same level after clearing out some of the awful players bought in previous seasons - then why should we be any better that the teams mentioned above?

Again I'd ask why does it cost us £30m in wages to bring us 'up' to the level of a side paying £18m? That £12m extra is the equivalent of 23 EXTRA players earning 10k a week. Our squad doesn't even boast 23 players! We have 22 currently here! We have Danns and Beckford out in loan. I sincerely doubt that Danns and Beckford are on 115k a week each.

Our current squad of 22 boasts 14 players signed by Pearson. 4 by Sven (excluding those out on loan) and 4 who predate or were not signed by either. Those 14 Pearson players don't play for free.

Pearson has, at his disposal, a huge wage bill. He's been allowed to ship out players he doesn't rate (regardless of the cost to the club) and has been backed to the tune of nearly £10m in fees alone since returning. He should be doing better.

[BoneDog]

Old Weetabix hair

[BoneDog]

Get behind em.

Too right. Whatever happens in the next week or two, getting behind them is vital for the run in. Not sure it'll happen though. There's nothing worse for the players when they're lacking in confidence than to hear that horrible grumbling and jeering noise we so often get during matches.

The fans can be the 12th man, but with all that shit atmos grumbling crap it turns into being like a 12th man for the other team instead. Now is the time for some real matchday support and maybe that'd help see us over the line.

[Dan]

I'm just as baffled and disappointed as everybody else when it comes to our recent drop in form and in the table. But let's not forget that general expectations at the start of this season (at least judging by the FT polls) were a lot more cautious and unspectacular than our rise to second spot suggested.

However, I do believe that a certain percentage of our fanbase gets carried away way too easily, has too high expectations way too quickly and takes everything (or many things) for granted. Many of this fraction also believe that going the apparent easy route and sacking a manager is the magical answer to all problems football-related.

Modern-day football has raised the bar in many aspects, but simultaneously lowered the patience and tolerance level across the board.

It's a sad indictment of modern society (as well as football) if common sense plays second fiddle behind emotional claptrap.

Me and you have clashed a fair bit in the past but I'm beginning to agree with every single word you say.

[Dan]

Again I'd ask why does it cost us £30m in wages to bring us 'up' to the level of a side paying £18m? That £12m extra is the equivalent of 23 EXTRA players earning 10k a week. Our squad doesn't even boast 23 players! We have 22 currently here! We have Danns and Beckford out in loan. I sincerely doubt that Danns and Beckford are on 115k a week each.

Our current squad of 22 boasts 14 players signed by Pearson. 4 by Sven (excluding those out on loan) and 4 who predate or were not signed by either. Those 14 Pearson players don't play for free.

Pearson has, at his disposal, a huge wage bill. He's been allowed to ship out players he doesn't rate (regardless of the cost to the club) and has been backed to the tune of nearly £10m in fees alone since returning. He should be doing better.

But you don't include players like Gallagher, Wellens, Dyer etc... under Pearson's wages when it was Sven who handed them all lucrative new deals.

Sven got us in such a mess, there is not a single manager on the planet that would in todays game have changed our entire squad to all being value for money, not a single one.

Promotion this season really isn't the be all and end all. Last year I said we had to go up but we totally fvcked it up, partly Pearson but mainly Sven but no, we fvcked up to a ridiculous extent that it'd take some recovering. That 'recovering' was mostly to be done this year I felt, I'm surprised we're near the top six.

Unfortunately with everyone's attitudes today we have unrealistic expectations no matter what, our fans under-estimate how much of a fvck up last season was, it was nothing short of a total disaster.

I'm not defending our recent run either, I think we're a laughing stock at the minute, but I really do feel we'd regret it in a year if we sacked him and got someone else in because I simply cannot see who'll do any better with dwindling resources (because it's all wasted on average players who couldn't give a shit about the club). Pearson's got his faults, undoubtedly, but looking at the bigger picture I think he needs to stay.

[Greatness_Since_1884]

But you don't include players like Gallagher, Wellens, Dyer etc... under Pearson's wages when it was Sven who handed them all lucrative new deals.

Sven got us in such a mess, there is not a single manager on the planet that would in todays game have changed our entire squad to all being value for money, not a single one.

Promotion this season really isn't the be all and end all. Last year I said we had to go up but we totally fvcked it up, partly Pearson but mainly Sven but no, we fvcked up to a ridiculous extent that it'd take some recovering. That 'recovering' was mostly to be done this year I felt, I'm surprised we're near the top six.

Unfortunately with everyone's attitudes today we have unrealistic expectations no matter what, our fans under-estimate how much of a fvck up last season was, it was nothing short of a total disaster.

I'm not defending our recent run either, I think we're a laughing stock at the minute, but I really do feel we'd regret it in a year if we sacked him and got someone else in because I simply cannot see who'll do any better with dwindling resources (because it's all wasted on average players who couldn't give a shit about the club). Pearson's got his faults, undoubtedly, but looking at the bigger picture I think he needs to stay.

Spot on. This season Pearson had a summer to rebuild a squad in disarray. We were a mess. If anyone cannot see the foundations he's laid and the difference in terms of attitude, desire and quality then they're blind or just in denial.

I feel that our inconsistency on the field cannot be helped by our inconsistency off it. We have a manager who has us pointing in the right direction now which is no mean feat given the situation we were in. In fact I think he did it too well that people haven't noticed nor credited him with how well he's recovered us from Svens car crash.

I mean for crying out loud at least wait and see if he gets us promoted before criticising him for not doing it yet. We're still in with a chance and in the best position in recent years because of Pearson. There is so much more to come from this team and we know that because Pearson has done it and shown it over the last 5 months. You can't judge the achievements of this season until it's actually finished. Until then we as supporters have a duty to support the team and when things aren't going well then that's when they need us most.

Btw are these wage figures being quoted not for the 11-12 season of Svens spending spree? Surely we can't blame Pearson?

[beemeroo]

Spot on. This season Pearson had a summer to rebuild a squad in disarray. We were a mess. If anyone cannot see the foundations he's laid and the difference in terms of attitude, desire and quality then they're blind or just in denial.

I am not a Pearson hater by any stretch and believe he should be given time to not only turn this frankly disastrous form around but also to continue to build this team in the summer.

I actually agree with the majority of your post, however, if you saw attitude, desire and quality in the last match then it's you that is deluded.

[Greatness_Since_1884]

I am not a Pearson hater by any stretch and believe he should be given time to not only turn this frankly disastrous form around but also to continue to build this team in the summer.

I actually agree with the majority of your post, however, if you saw attitude, desire and quality in the last match then it's you that is deluded.

I was talking about the season as a whole.

Even were we not to go up, I still feel we'd be best sticking with him and allowing him to build on the platform he's made. Maybe add a bit more steel to the side as well as having a squad in which many will have benefited from a first full season in Championship football. To me that's a lot more sensible than starting the whole process again.