Galloway's being a twat again

[The Doctor]

http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/08/british-mp-defends-north-korea-against-wicked-america-and-evil-britain/#ixzz2Q3MDrBqK

Left-wing British Member of Parliament George Galloway, a long-time defender of the world’s worst dictatorships, blamed the tensions on the Korean peninsula on the United States Thursday.

“I’m much more afraid of the United States of America and so are most people in the world,†Galloway said on “Comments,†a show he hosts on the Iranian government’s English-language propaganda station, Press TV.

“North Korea has no intention to harm any of us. North Korea’s problem is with South Korea. South Korea exists because America invaded Korea, killed millions of people, divided the country and continues to garrison South Korea with military bases, nuclear weapons, chemical and biological weapon.â€

According to Galloway, the U.S. “trumped†up the current crisis with North Korea and is responsible for repressive country’s dire economic situation.

“I believe that this is a United States trumped up little crisis,†he said. “They have pushed and pushed North Korea into a corner. The people in North Korea are in very dire straights in terms of standards of food, amount of food and access to oil and other energy resources.â€

So - North Korea's dire straights having nothing to do with being ruled by an absolute nut-case for many years, who saw faking golf results as more worth his time than helping his subjects, but all to do with the US?

[Guest]

I'm not sure Galloway talking bollocks constitutes news.

[Guest MattP]

I would have had you down as agreeing with him.

[Babylon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1NIuCt72bU

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[Captain...]

http://dailycaller.c.../#ixzz2Q3MDrBqK

So - North Korea's dire straights having nothing to do with being ruled by an absolute nut-case for many years, who saw faking golf results as more worth his time than helping his subjects, but all to do with the US?

Is anything he said actually wrong, if I'm honest I'm more concerned about the US and it's massive arsenal of nuclear weapons, than NK and their lone missile.

I don't really know too much about Korea and their history a quick suggests that they were carved up Germany style after WWII, maybe we should be looking at bringing Korea together as one, rather than cutting one half off from negotiations, again I don't know the history, but surely we should be looking to bring NK into the international community and not alienate them further.

[Harry - LCFC]

"The people in North Korea are in very dire straights in terms of standards of food, amount of food and access to oil and other energy resources."

And he's blaming that on America?

That is entirely down to the oppressive regime installed there. The United States has brought prosperity to half of the Korean peninsula, you only have to look at the figures to see how much better life is in the South.

[Guest Bilo]

Galloway is a moronic champagne socialist championed only by the bigoted, politically ignorant and misguided.

Does anyone take him seriously any more? Apart from the knuckle-draggers who voted for him in Bradford of course.

[RobHawk]

Having recently come back from a holiday in cuba - I would remain open minded about the US.

They meddle and interfer acorss the world and do cause alot of issues. They are essentially the bully of the play ground - If you don't play the way they say then you aren't allowed to play full stop. Who's to say that the US is correct! I think sometimes it can be very blurred about who the good guy and who the bad guy is! Reminds me of this mitchell and webb sketch:

I don't know enough about NK to really comment - The News agencies want us to beleive that they are all nuts and dangerous but who really knows if thats the case? You could argue the US is provoking them!

[Manwell Pablo]

I do see a certain irony in the US deciding who is and who isn't trust worthy of having nuclear weapons, when they've the only ones that have taken the step of using them.

Galloway is a grade A C*n t though.

[leicsmac]

Is anything he said actually wrong, if I'm honest I'm more concerned about the US and it's massive arsenal of nuclear weapons, than NK and their lone missile.

I don't really know too much about Korea and their history a quick suggests that they were carved up Germany style after WWII, maybe we should be looking at bringing Korea together as one, rather than cutting one half off from negotiations, again I don't know the history, but surely we should be looking to bring NK into the international community and not alienate them further.

The NK leadership has said many times that it wants to conquer SK by force. Now knowing quite a few people in SK personally, I'd really rather that not happen.

Additionally, I don't actually think the important people in the North actually want to become part of the 'global community'...they feel that they've got things running just the way they like.

I've said this before but the status quo suits practically everyone apart from the poor bastards who make up the civilian underclass in NK.

Reunification should be the eventual goal, but the NK's won't do that on anything other than their own terms, and it would have to be a very gradual process.

[Guest Bilo]

The NK leadership has said many times that it wants to conquer SK by force. Now knowing quite a few people in SK personally, I'd really rather that not happen.

Additionally, I don't actually think the important people in the North actually want to become part of the 'global community'...they feel that they've got things running just the way they like.

I've said this before but the status quo suits practically everyone apart from the poor bastards who make up the civilian underclass in NK.

Reunification should be the eventual goal, but the NK's won't do that on anything other than their own terms, and it would have to be a very gradual process.

A growing number of South Koreans might disagree.

Germany took well over a decade to recover economically from reunification due to the disparity between East and West, and the disparity between North and South Korea is infinitely greater than it was between the GDR and FRG, There weren't famines and mass power outages in East Germany for a start, whereas there are in North Korea. The cost of reunification of the Koreas would be absolutely enormous and most probably spark a global recession if not handled correctly, as the massive player in the Asian continent that is South Korea would have its economy crippled for years.

[leicsmac]

A growing number of South Koreans might disagree.

Germany took well over a decade to recover economically from reunification due to the disparity between East and West, and the disparity between North and South Korea is infinitely greater than it was between the GDR and FRG, There weren't famines and mass power outages in East Germany for a start, whereas there are in North Korea. The cost of reunification of the Koreas would be absolutely enormous and most probably spark a global recession if not handled correctly, as the massive player in the Asian continent that is South Korea would have its economy crippled for years.

Hence why I said 'very gradual' process.

In my time working there I spoke with a load of South Koreans. Most of them were in favour of reunification, but all of them did say it would cripple the economy. Many of them thought the only way to possibly get round that would be a very slow process of reintegration, over a period of perhaps a couple of decades.

[Guest Bilo]

Hence why I said 'very gradual' process.

In my time working there I spoke with a load of South Koreans. Most of them were in favour of reunification, but all of them did say it would cripple the economy. Many of them thought the only way to possibly get round that would be a very slow process of reintegration, over a period of perhaps a couple of decades.

I daresay a significant amount of international assistance would be needed too, possibly similar to the Marshall Plan after WWII. Culturally, I imagine it would be desirable for the two Koreas to be runited but pragmatism rules out anything except the route you've described; a slow, gradual process with substantial investment in the woefully underdeveloped North in particular.

The cultural challenges are likely to be enormous too, as the North has been collectively brainwashed on a daily basis for 60 years and denied all but piecemeal contact with the outside world. It'll be akin to waking somebody up from a 30 year coma, especially for North Koreans living outside of Pyongyang. Education about the modern world, cultural reintegration and other challenges will all need to be considered. Don't forget as well that North Koreans have been taught that the South is an illegitimate, super-aggressive American puppet regime and those lessons won't dissipate overnight.

I think the Kims will relinquish power sooner rather than later, but as and when it does the North should become a UN protectorate for a number of years and the reintegration done gradually. Watching the statue of Kim Jong-Il and Kim Il-Sung come down on Monday and then Pyongyang becoming South Korea's second city on the Tuesday might satisfy some, but it would bring nothing but heartache in the long run.

[Guest MattP]

Kim Jong Un is acting like a kid who's just discovered his dick.

[leicsmac]

I daresay a significant amount of international assistance would be needed too, possibly similar to the Marshall Plan after WWII. Culturally, I imagine it would be desirable for the two Koreas to be runited but pragmatism rules out anything except the route you've described; a slow, gradual process with substantial investment in the woefully underdeveloped North in particular.

The cultural challenges are likely to be enormous too, as the North has been collectively brainwashed on a daily basis for 60 years and denied all but piecemeal contact with the outside world. It'll be akin to waking somebody up from a 30 year coma, especially for North Koreans living outside of Pyongyang. Education about the modern world, cultural reintegration and other challenges will all need to be considered. Don't forget as well that North Koreans have been taught that the South is an illegitimate, super-aggressive American puppet regime and those lessons won't dissipate overnight.

I think the Kims will relinquish power sooner rather than later, but as and when it does the North should become a UN protectorate for a number of years and the reintegration done gradually. Watching the statue of Kim Jong-Il and Kim Il-Sung come down on Monday and then Pyongyang becoming South Korea's second city on the Tuesday might satisfy some, but it would bring nothing but heartache in the long run.

Pretty much spot on with this. Both culturally and economically the reintegration would have to be slow.

[Guest Bilo]

Having recently come back from a holiday in cuba - I would remain open minded about the US.

They meddle and interfer acorss the world and do cause alot of issues. They are essentially the bully of the play ground - If you don't play the way they say then you aren't allowed to play full stop. Who's to say that the US is correct! I think sometimes it can be very blurred about who the good guy and who the bad guy is! Reminds me of this mitchell and webb sketch:

I don't know enough about NK to really comment - The News agencies want us to beleive that they are all nuts and dangerous but who really knows if thats the case? You could argue the US is provoking them!

Nobody is saying the Americans are angels, their interference in global politics is well documented and frequently debated.

It's the blaming of all North Korea's ills on Washington that is ridiculous. The Kims have led a personality cult there for six decades and have chanelled everything into maintaining power at all costs. They aren't stupid enough to think their weaponry would do anything but delay their inevitable defeat if they did start a war with the South; but a million man army and all of its hardware, along with the state apparatus and brainwashing propaganda, pretty much destroys any chance of there ever being a popular guerilla war against the regime.

That army is as much a deterrent to Kim Jong-Un's own people as it is to South Korea and the US, and it's that where all of the money that should have been spent on keeping the people fed and healthy has gone.

[Captain...]

The NK leadership has said many times that it wants to conquer SK by force. Now knowing quite a few people in SK personally, I'd really rather that not happen.

Additionally, I don't actually think the important people in the North actually want to become part of the 'global community'...they feel that they've got things running just the way they like.

I've said this before but the status quo suits practically everyone apart from the poor bastards who make up the civilian underclass in NK.

Reunification should be the eventual goal, but the NK's won't do that on anything other than their own terms, and it would have to be a very gradual process.

It should be the eventual goal, but nobody is talking about it, or discussing it with either party, all people are talking about is wiping NK off the map.

[notnow john]

http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/08/british-mp-defends-north-korea-against-wicked-america-and-evil-britain/#ixzz2Q3MDrBqK

So - North Korea's dire straights having nothing to do with being ruled by an absolute nut-case for many years, who saw faking golf results as more worth his time than helping his subjects, but all to do with the US?

All golfers cheat, he was just really good at it. Do you know if he did a DVD?

[Guest Bilo]

It should be the eventual goal, but nobody is talking about it, or discussing it with either party, all people are talking about is wiping NK off the map.

It's not so much that, it's more preparing for the inevitable.

It's a failed state in every sense of the word, and will eventually collapse. It has lost its only ally in China, its people are starving and are led by an inexperienced 30 year old who only has the job because of the ballsack he was lucky enough to be shot from back in the 80s.

The world has a responsibility to ensure its people are not left to die when the country eventually collapses.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

George Galloway

[Guest]

but those little NK military ladies have to jiggle their tits as they run. There are always positives to be found.

[Deucalion]

Left-wing British Member of Parliament George Galloway, a long-time defender of the world’s worst dictatorships, blamed the tensions on the Korean peninsula on the United States Thursday.

“I’m much more afraid of the United States of America and so are most people in the world,†Galloway said on “Comments,†a show he hosts on the Iranian government’s English-language propaganda station, Press TV.

“North Korea has no intention to harm any of us. North Korea’s problem is with South Korea. South Korea exists because America invaded Korea, killed millions of people, divided the country and continues to garrison South Korea with military bases, nuclear weapons, chemical and biological weapon.â€

According to Galloway, the U.S. “trumped†up the current crisis with North Korea and is responsible for repressive country’s dire economic situation.

“I believe that this is a United States trumped up little crisis,†he said. “They have pushed and pushed North Korea into a corner. The people in North Korea are in very dire straights in terms of standards of food, amount of food and access to oil and other energy resources.â€

Whatever people think of Galloway, he makes some good points here. Such as:

• South Korea exists because America invaded Korea, killed millions of people, divided the country and continues to garrison South Korea with military bases, nuclear weapons, chemical and biological weapon
  
• [The US] is responsible for repressive country’s dire economic situation.*
  
• They have pushed and pushed North Korea into a corner. The people in North Korea are in very dire straights in terms of standards of food, amount of food and access to oil and other energy resources
  
• I’m much more afraid of the United States of America and so are most people in the world
  

Points I'm not so sure about:

• North Korea has no intention to harm any of us
  
• This is a United States trumped up little crisis
  

I'm much too tired to have any opinions on this, so I'm keeping this value neutral. I just happen to think the former points are accurate.

* While US inspired 'Rogue State' sanctions have contributed greatly to economic hardship, I'm sure a less than reasonable ruling elite has played no small part too.

[flowwolf]

http://dailycaller.c.../#ixzz2Q3MDrBqK

So - North Korea's dire straights having nothing to do with being ruled by an absolute nut-case for many years, who saw faking golf results as more worth his time than helping his subjects, but all to do with the US?

Hang on haven't you just also discribed the good old U.S of A ?

[Captain...]

It's not so much that, it's more preparing for the inevitable.

It's a failed state in every sense of the word, and will eventually collapse. It has lost its only ally in China, its people are starving and are led by an inexperienced 30 year old who only has the job because of the ballsack he was lucky enough to be shot from back in the 80s.

The world has a responsibility to ensure its people are not left to die when the country eventually collapses.

But why are they starving to death? And is the only way to stop them starving to death by invading the country, or could they be prevented from starving to death by opening trade talks and possibly even sending aid.

[BoneDog]

Most of the points Galloway made in the OP are 100% correct. People may hate him, but he was still correct in most of what he said.

I've not listened to him for a long time but he will always have some respect from me for what he did in the US that day. Most British MP's would have crumbled in his shoes in the Senate, but George made them look like clowns and absolutely battered them. Balls of steel. They tried to belittle him and ended up probably wishing they never bothered. Mano a mano, not many are a match for him.