Grewks Posted 13 May 2013 Share Posted 13 May 2013 He didn't in the last 2 games and we were still appalling at defending corners / set pieces. Not saying it is all down to Keane. Personally, I would only keep Morgan and Kasper from out defence for next year. the same defence which was the best in the league for so long? Defending from corners has nothing to do with it. If it is not Keane's man who is scoring then no fault can be placed at his door. He is actually a goal threat as well, we haven't had one for years from center half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanlegend Posted 13 May 2013 Share Posted 13 May 2013 I agree he was a goal threat. First half of the season our defence was very good. Second half though it was shocking (when Keane was in the team). We have been very lucky that the fact we can't defend from corners hasn't cost us more this year it's embarrasing how bad we are at it. Maybe a new defensive coach required? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grewks Posted 13 May 2013 Share Posted 13 May 2013 I agree he was a goal threat. First half of the season our defence was very good. Second half though it was shocking (when Keane was in the team). We have been very lucky that the fact we can't defend from corners hasn't cost us more this year it's embarrasing how bad we are at it. Maybe a new defensive coach required? Our poor run resulted from an inability to score goals. If a team is not scoring goals, there is always much more pressure on the defence, as the only way you will get something out of the game is if you don't concede. It was inevitable the defence would get worse during the lack of goals run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchandro Posted 13 May 2013 Share Posted 13 May 2013 I'm not sure how anyone can defend our defence in the last few months. It's been woeful and quite honestly I only think Morgan is worth keeping in the back 4. Keane has potential but he's not good enough for us yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanlegend Posted 13 May 2013 Share Posted 13 May 2013 We conceded 22 goals in 25 games without Keane. We scored 38 goals in 25 games We conceded 26 goals in only 21 games with Keane. We scored 33 goals in 21 games in that period. Late goals in games cost us but we were also Lacking in confidence in front of goal. Looking at stats SSL or Moore were better than Keane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanlegend Posted 13 May 2013 Share Posted 13 May 2013 In conclusion, Keane is no where near as good as some are making out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grewks Posted 13 May 2013 Share Posted 13 May 2013 In conclusion, Keane is no where near as good as some are making out Those stats prove nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanlegend Posted 13 May 2013 Share Posted 13 May 2013 They prove we let in 0.88 goals per game without Keane and let in 1.24 goals per game with Keane. We scored 1.52 goals per game without Keane and 1.57 goals with him. The conceded stat is a huge difference with Keane and King / Drinkwater being the main variable. They prove Keane, although individually talented made out defence a **** load more dodgy than it was without him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisp monster Posted 14 May 2013 Share Posted 14 May 2013 We conceded 22 goals in 25 games without Keane. We scored 38 goals in 25 games We conceded 26 goals in only 21 games with Keane. We scored 33 goals in 21 games in that period. Late goals in games cost us but we were also Lacking in confidence in front of goal. Looking at stats SSL or Moore were better than Keane we let in late goals because we kept bringing on Kane. NP must take the blame for his inclusion but surely a player from a club such as Spurs should have more about him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grewks Posted 14 May 2013 Share Posted 14 May 2013 They prove we let in 0.88 goals per game without Keane and let in 1.24 goals per game with Keane. We scored 1.52 goals per game without Keane and 1.57 goals with him. The conceded stat is a huge difference with Keane and King / Drinkwater being the main variable. They prove Keane, although individually talented made out defence a **** load more dodgy than it was without him The strikers stopped scoring, which resulted in us conceding more goals. Keane looked much more solid than st ledger, but the team was much more confident at the start of the season. Keane was, and is, a better player, but the rest of the squad was poor during his time in the team. we let in late goals because we kept bringing on Kane. NP must take the blame for his inclusion but surely a player from a club such as Spurs should have more about him . Blame a striker? How has he had enough time to prove he has 'more about him'. 10-15 mins a game is not enough. He hasn't even been match fit this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 14 May 2013 Share Posted 14 May 2013 A good prospect but has a long way to go - thought he was average yesterday and allowed Deeney too much time to receive, control and turn with the ball - Wood had nowhere near as much time. This. Deeney and Vydra really did give him a bit of a lesson on Sunday and at times he was nowhere near as tight as he should have been. He will be a class defender one day and on the ball his ability is fantastic, but in terms of his defensive play he has a bit to learn and if he's going to be as vulnerable as he was on Sunday (understandable however, and still nowhere near as bad as Whitbread), then we need to ask the question of whether or not we can afford to give him the time to do that when we really do need to be getting promotion next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grewks Posted 14 May 2013 Share Posted 14 May 2013 This. Deeney and Vydra really did give him a bit of a lesson on Sunday and at times he was nowhere near as tight as he should have been. He will be a class defender one day and on the ball his ability is fantastic, but in terms of his defensive play he has a bit to learn and if he's going to be as vulnerable as he was on Sunday (understandable however, and still nowhere near as bad as Whitbread), then we need to ask the question of whether or not we can afford to give him the time to do that when we really do need to be getting promotion next season. Why? Can we not just enter a season without expectation for once? It might just go a bit better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wurmer Posted 15 May 2013 Share Posted 15 May 2013 He's young and has potential. He won't come back on loan, we'll have to buy him if Man Utd are selling that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyrobot Posted 15 May 2013 Share Posted 15 May 2013 Keaneo was class, Morgan let him take the main striker on many occasions and he handled the job well. He played the ball well from the back as well and was a goal threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBlue Posted 15 May 2013 Share Posted 15 May 2013 I hope not. We need a tall, pacy centre back who can defend corners (Curtis Davies would be ideal). Our defence has been a shambles since he has been involved. Individually talented like Bamba but in a defensive four is dodgy. I really did cringe every time the opposition got a corner as I knew exactly what would happen - all our defence just watch it fly past them. We need to sort this out for next year and Keane not coming back is a good start Is this the same Curtis Davies that didn't want to be here and scored an own goal from a corner the last time he played here. I agree that it is a bit early for Keane. He will be a good player in time e.g. Jonny Evans, but not just yet. He needs experience. There must some likely 6'5'' prospect with the speed of Usain Bolt out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LestaFox92 Posted 15 May 2013 Share Posted 15 May 2013 Deffiently have him back on a permanent basis if not look elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperEadem Posted 15 May 2013 Share Posted 15 May 2013 Played last night for a United team that beat Liverpool 3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 15 May 2013 Share Posted 15 May 2013 Why? Can we not just enter a season without expectation for once? It might just go a bit better. Are you serious?! Have you seen any of the financial figures in the last 3 years?! Rich they may be, patient we hope they are, but the owners do not have a bottom-less pit of money and there will be a point at which they decide enough is enough if we don't get promoted. The only way for them to re-coup their losses and for us to get back on an even keel financially is that 'p' word. It HAS to happen next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisp monster Posted 16 May 2013 Share Posted 16 May 2013 . Blame a striker? How has he had enough time to prove he has 'more about him'. 10-15 mins a game is not enough. He hasn't even been match fit this season. if hes not match fit, then he shouldn't be anywhere near our first 11 - this is Leicester City not bloody Crewe! Near the end of a game sub forwards are not only used to get goals, they are there to hold the ball up, win free kicks and bring others into the game. Kane against Brighton away is a prime example of how we let a lead slip due to a poor substitution. He neither won headers, held it up or ran it into the corners. so yes you can blame strikers as they take pressure off the defence especially when you're trying to see a game out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCFC FOX Posted 16 May 2013 Share Posted 16 May 2013 . Blame a striker? How has he had enough time to prove he has 'more about him'. 10-15 mins a game is not enough. He hasn't even been match fit this season. if hes not match fit, then he shouldn't be anywhere near our first 11 - this is Leicester City not bloody Crewe! Near the end of a game sub forwards are not only used to get goals, they are there to hold the ball up, win free kicks and bring others into the game. Kane against Brighton away is a prime example of how we let a lead slip due to a poor substitution. He neither won headers, held it up or ran it into the corners. so yes you can blame strikers as they take pressure off the defence especially when you're trying to see a game out. Keane not Kane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisp monster Posted 16 May 2013 Share Posted 16 May 2013 Keane not Kane. read back mate - although I did balls up with the quote bit!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanTheFox07 Posted 19 May 2013 Share Posted 19 May 2013 think this guy is slightly overrated, he has a long way to go, he is often found out of position and doesn't track his man! would prefer a more experienced defender with pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzerfox Posted 19 May 2013 Share Posted 19 May 2013 think this guy is slightly overrated, he has a long way to go, he is often found out of position and doesn't track his man! would prefer a more experienced defender with pace. Tend to agree. We only started shipping goals when he was in the team! I think he can turn out to be a very good player but he has a lot to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les-TA-Jon Posted 19 May 2013 Share Posted 19 May 2013 Great in the air and so composed on the ball, calm under pressure. But - has looked bad at defending crosses (think Derby away) and tends to come forward out of the back line. Has also looked jittery against the better attacks, such as Watford, although that's probably just age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monsell1976 Posted 19 May 2013 Share Posted 19 May 2013 Why does everyone want him do much? Would sooner have an experienced head next to Morgan next season, SSL evenAgreed, No doubting he has the potential to be a very good player, but is still very naive and has been caught out of position and cost us. I would like him at the club but not a regular first team yet, as I think we need someone who is streetwise and knows the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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