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Poll - play off final

By HitchinFox, in General Football and Sport

Watford v Palace  

98 members have voted

  1. 1. Watford have their 'fans' and Palace have Hollowhead. Which do you want to win?

    • As "neither" is not an answer, I'll want Palace to win. That way, next season, we can come up with a chant about Watford fans and how they invaded the pitch to celebrate staying in the Championship.
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    • As "neither" is not an answer, I'll want Watford to win. Hollowhead should not manage in the Prem.
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theessexfox

theessexfox

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It is interesting to see the number of people who think Watford will be strong next season.

 

If the rules are changed (dear god they fvcking should be) they will find it much harder to acquire good players. The main reason for their 3rd place finish this season is their loan players from Udinese, if these are blocked then I struggle to see how they could build a similarly good squad in future.

I'm sure Watford fans have explained their way around this. 

Harry - LCFC

Harry - LCFC

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Something about simply signing the players they want on short contracts instead of loaning them...

They'll just be given the players for free rather than loaning them iirc.

 

Ah yes, I have heard this actually. My vision of the new legislation I want to see brought in includes blocking transfers between clubs owned by one group.

 

You're not allowed to own two English clubs (in order to prevent owners perverting the competition) therefore I think it only fair that transfers between foreign clubs under common ownership should be banned. Or go one step further and ban ownership of multiple clubs full stop, that'd be lovely.

 

I do worry that the FA, or whoever's responsibility it is to sort out this mess, won't do that though.  :/

theessexfox

theessexfox

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Ah yes, I have heard this actually. My vision of the new legislation I want to see brought in includes blocking transfers between clubs owned by one group.

 

You're not allowed to own two English clubs (in order to prevent owners perverting the competition) therefore I think it only fair that transfers between foreign clubs under common ownership should be banned. Or go one step further and ban ownership of multiple clubs full stop, that'd be lovely.

 

I do worry that the FA, or whoever's responsibility it is to sort out this mess, won't do that though.  :/

The clubs aren't owned by the same person... 

Guest BlueBrett

Guest BlueBrett

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Feels like choosing between break or bite.

I've gone for Palace because of the Watford loans pisstake but watching either go up is going to be gut wrenching in the extreme

Guest Col city fan

Guest Col city fan

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I want Palace but think Watford will win

Harry - LCFC

Harry - LCFC

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Don't see why people have such a problem with Watford

 

My two reasons;

  1. Loans. Watford's starting eleven contains seven loan players. It is illegal to have more than five domestic loan players but there is no limit on the number of foreign loans which allows them to act in this way. While they have not broken any rules I see this as very unfair.
  2. Multiple clubs. Watford have been able to acquire very high quality players purely through the common ownership of several clubs. Their owners have perverted the competiton by giving them players for nothing. I'd also add that it is illegal to own multiple English clubs for exactly this reason so how can it possibly considered fair that one group can own multiple foreign clubs.

Frankly I don't see why you aren't able to understand why people have such a problem with them. Their exploitative abuse of the loan system is exceptionally unfair and skewed the competition in their favour. They would not be up there had the rules been written correctly and properly implemented.

 

 

 

The same family owns all three, but in terms of registration they are owned by different family members - not technically the same owners.

 

Oh good, technicalities, those famously moral little details. Just demonstrates how unfair the whole thing is really, if it weren't for fvcking technicalities then they couldn't act in the way they do.

 

It's funny that every time I have a conversation with someone about Watford no-one can actually tell me their actions are fair or acceptable in any way. They just tell me that they're abiding by the rules.

 

PS - Not saying it was you doing that, just a general comment.

Matt

Matt

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My two reasons;

  1. Loans. Watford's starting eleven contains seven loan players. It is illegal to have more than five domestic loan players but there is no limit on the number of foreign loans which allows them to act in this way. While they have not broken any rules I see this as very unfair.
  2. Multiple clubs. Watford have been able to acquire very high quality players purely through the common ownership of several clubs. Their owners have perverted the competiton by giving them players for nothing. I'd also add that it is illegal to own multiple English clubs for exactly this reason so how can it possibly considered fair that one group can own multiple foreign clubs.

Frankly I don't see why you aren't able to understand why people have such a problem with them. Their exploitative abuse of the loan system is exceptionally unfair and skewed the competition in their favour. They would not be up there had the rules been written correctly and properly implemented.

 

 

 

 

Oh good, technicalities, those famously moral little details. Just demonstrates how unfair the whole thing is really, if it weren't for fvcking technicalities then they couldn't act in the way they do.

 

It's funny that every time I have a conversation with someone about Watford no-one can actually tell me their actions are fair or acceptable in any way. They just tell me that they're abiding by the rules.

 

PS - Not saying it was you doing that, just a general comment.

 

 

Are other clubs allowed to do exactly what Watford have done? :dunno:

I'm not gonna lie, I'm just horrendously bitter about the game still, hope they get smashed.

 

If only people were as honest as you.

Matt

Matt

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What do you mean by that? Own multiple clubs? Well yes but should they be allowed to? No, absolutely not.

 

You see it as unfair that they have loaned multiple foreign loan players - Are other clubs allowed to do this?

-Yes, how is it unfair then if they have the option and are allowed to do the same?

 

Are other clubs/owners allowed to own foreign clubs?

-Yes, how it this unfair, illegal, against the rules then?

 

And i'm also going to raise a point in regards to when we were called immoral/breaking the rules - in which we all disagreed with at the time and I still disagree with - When we went into adminstration and were called immoral by Neil Warnock as we got promoted.

 

I couldn't understand how it was immoral or how we'd broke the rules or 'cheating' - Surely it was even more of an achievement, a harder job to do under the circumstances and in a similar way what Watford have done is similar, bringing in all thos loan signings never guaranteed success, it's a harder job imo to bring success with a team full of loanees. I'm not comparing the situations with each other as they are totally different, what I am comparing is the fact both situations imo meant the job is harder to do.

 

If Watford finished mid-table would we even be having this discussion? Doubt it, doubt the fact their squad is full of loanees would even register with most people.

fazzyfox

fazzyfox

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If watford win they could probably sign several of their loan players permanantly, if they don't it will be interesting to see how many rush to sign 3 year deals.

Guest Bilo

Guest Bilo

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If watford win they could probably sign several of their loan players permanantly, if they don't it will be interesting to see how many rush to sign 3 year deals.

 

That's why I hope they lose.

 

Their squad will fall apart if they don't get promoted. Several of their players have proved they're worth a shot at a Premiership side and may well look for better clubs than Watford, regardless of whether they're owned by the brother of the owner of their parent club. They'll move on if Watford fail today, so let's hope they do. Their fans deserve mid-table mediocrity next season.

Guest seanfox778

Guest seanfox778

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I see it as win/win: if Watford go up then it's one less rival next year as I see Palace not doing as we'll as this season and if Palace win then the Watford last minute win against us will mean nothing to them I'd be happy picturing their fans faces

Harry - LCFC

Harry - LCFC

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You see it as unfair that they have loaned multiple foreign loan players - Are other clubs allowed to do this?

-Yes, how is it unfair then if they have the option and are allowed to do the same?

 

Are other clubs/owners allowed to own foreign clubs?

-Yes, how it this unfair, illegal, against the rules then?

 

And i'm also going to raise a point in regards to when we were called immoral/breaking the rules - in which we all disagreed with at the time and I still disagree with - When we went into adminstration and were called immoral by Neil Warnock as we got promoted.

 

I couldn't understand how it was immoral or how we'd broke the rules or 'cheating' - Surely it was even more of an achievement, a harder job to do under the circumstances and in a similar way what Watford have done is similar, bringing in all thos loan signings never guaranteed success, it's a harder job imo to bring success with a team full of loanees. I'm not comparing the situations with each other as they are totally different, what I am comparing is the fact both situations imo meant the job is harder to do.

 

If Watford finished mid-table would we even be having this discussion? Doubt it, doubt the fact their squad is full of loanees would even register with most people.

 

Firstly, the cap on domestic/foreign loans is blatantly wrong. Watford have been able to exploit this due to multiple ownership so no it is not an option to other clubs. If it was why haven't other clubs done? They can't, that's why. Their owners don't own several clubs.

 

Secondly, how can it possibly be considered fair that a group may own multiple foreign clubs but no multiple English clubs? Yet another failing of the rules I see. So you ask me can others do this - well yes they can, but it remains the case that to do so would distort the competition so that doesn't make it right.

 

 

Also, I'm not quite sure I understand that 3rd point in bold - are you suggesting to me that these loan players somehow made it harder to achieve success? If so then no, Watford are up there because of their loan players. If they didn't have them they would be lower than 3rd.

 

If Watford finished mid-table then no we probably wouldn't be having this discussion, but I care less if those who misbehave fail. It's when they succeed that I really must take issue. Bit like if someone steals a chocolate bar, no biggie, steal someone's car though and we have a bit of a problem on our hands.

 

PS - You are the first person to put forward a good argument supporting Watford, one that I've had to carefully consider my response to. So well done on that front.  ;)

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