Carl the Llama Posted 9 June 2013 Posted 9 June 2013 You don't agree? Being better than the worst off should not be a stamp of recommendation. Any Tom, Dick or Harry knows the UK economy's at its lowest ebb of the modern era and showing no signs of bouncing back any time soon.
MooseBreath Posted 9 June 2013 Posted 9 June 2013 Being better than the worst off should not be a stamp of recommendation. Any Tom, Dick or Harry knows the UK economy's at its lowest ebb of the modern era and showing no signs of bouncing back any time soon. Yes, like almost all western economies, it is not as strong as it once was. But it still among the stronger economies in Europe, which is all that matters to the point I was making.
Guest Posted 9 June 2013 Posted 9 June 2013 Yeah right . This new political party you want us to vote for? Presumably you'd expect it to keep us in the EU same as now and implement and make into law all the directives that the EU tells us to same as now? How exactly would it be different? Yes it would be in Europe. I'm not sure you can call a party the same because one policy is the same. In terms of what it would do with corperations, taxes, the environment, returning power to those with opinions not those who are offended (and this can be done within the Human Rights Act - a British Act by the way) and a raft of other issues. Personally I'd like to see it part of Europe but that isnt really part of the point and this thread has gotten rather sidetracked by it. Let the people decide on it - the only thing I would say is before the referendum the real points for and aginst should be made with the people to decide rather than simply a media blackout of the pro campaign. Just state the facts as they are.
Guest Posted 9 June 2013 Posted 9 June 2013 The only person ignoring all rhyme and reason around here is you. If you don't understand how marrying an economically strong country such as the UK or Germany with a very weak economy is bad for the stronger economy then you need to stfu because you're king of all dumb cvnts. As for your argument around lads and ladettes having to become more cultured, well that's the definition of clutching at straws right there and I think you know it. Marrying France, Germany and the UK to the smaller countries will mean that a pan-European GDP per capita will be less than any of the three had on their own if only what is produced and sold now is produced and sold then, yes. However, Europe as a nation would have a huge GDP [think of this as Britain being California (on it's own richer than only a handful of countries) and Europe being the US]. Californian GDP is 'reduced' by the whole midwest but California understands the benefits of being part of the US. Europe would have huge natural resources (so we'd get our share when resources from elsewhere are sold), a massive GDP, a large proportion of the world's population etc. As a nation it would be immensively strong and could stand on the world stage. That provides opportunities that we don't have alone. Don't get me wrong, a European state isn't exactly something on the agenda I'm just putting some thoughts together about why the UK won't even consider closer integration despite all the benefits.
Captain... Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Marrying France, Germany and the UK to the smaller countries will mean that a pan-European GDP per capita will be less than any of the three had on their own if only what is produced and sold now is produced and sold then, yes. However, Europe as a nation would have a huge GDP [think of this as Britain being California (on it's own richer than only a handful of countries) and Europe being the US]. Californian GDP is 'reduced' by the whole midwest but California understands the benefits of being part of the US. Europe would have huge natural resources (so we'd get our share when resources from elsewhere are sold), a massive GDP, a large proportion of the world's population etc. As a nation it would be immensively strong and could stand on the world stage. That provides opportunities that we don't have alone. Don't get me wrong, a European state isn't exactly something on the agenda I'm just putting some thoughts together about why the UK won't even consider closer integration despite all the benefits. But some people can only see things as how it benefits themselves directly. They would rather live in a mansion on a shitty road in a rough estate than live in a modest house that satisfies their needs in a new development in a decent safe neighbourhood. Of course the bigger economies were risking a hit, but the overall benefit to Europe as a whole of dragging the likes of Poland, Romania, Bulgaria up should be clear to everyone. This is not to say the eu got it right, they have made mistakes, and I would welcome a full and frank reassessment of the goals and aims of the eu and how they want to achieve it with the aim of making it and therefore us stronger.
MooseBreath Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Redistribution of wealth makes everyone poor eventually.
leicsmac Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Redistribution of wealth makes everyone poor eventually. And concentration of wealth without money moving makes everyone but a select few poor eventually. Closely followed by that select few when their currency becomes worthless. So either way we're fvcked.
purpleronnie Posted 8 August 2013 Posted 8 August 2013 Because he's a paranoid, band wagon jumping sheep, who has no idea about their policies....no doubt.
MANFACE Posted 8 August 2013 Posted 8 August 2013 Because he's a paranoid, band wagon jumping sheep, who has no idea about their policies....no doubt. Bah Bah....
MrSpaM Posted 8 August 2013 Posted 8 August 2013 The "Do whats best for the people living in England party" would be a nice change Or the "Make the cost of living affordable in England again please" party
Captain... Posted 8 August 2013 Posted 8 August 2013 Bah Bah.... So you ignore the genuine request as to why you will be voting UKIP and respond to the trolling, interesting.
MANFACE Posted 8 August 2013 Posted 8 August 2013 So you ignore the genuine request as to why you will be voting UKIP and respond to the trolling, interesting. Sorry, but this wasn't a genuine request from you. it wasn't even trolling from you, just baiting like a foolish idiot. "Because he's a paranoid, band wagon jumping sheep, who has no idea about their policies....no doubt"
ADK Posted 8 August 2013 Posted 8 August 2013 I've noticed it seems to be the standard UKIP behaviour to try and play the victim all the time. They are like the Liverpool of politics.
purpleronnie Posted 8 August 2013 Posted 8 August 2013 I've noticed it seems to be the standard UKIP behaviour to try and play the victim all the time. They are like the Liverpool of politics. Very common I mentioned it before. But I don't think that's necessarily just a UKIP thing, most voters will do that no matter who they vote for its like they feel the need to defend everything their party does. I just find that really odd.
Captain... Posted 8 August 2013 Posted 8 August 2013 Sorry, but this wasn't a genuine request from you. it wasn't even trolling from you, just baiting like a foolish idiot. "Because he's a paranoid, band wagon jumping sheep, who has no idea about their policies....no doubt" No it wasn't, you're relatively new on here, unless you are an old poster with a new account, so I don't know why you would want to vote UKIP. If you are willing to declare your interest I thought you might be willing to share why. It opens up a bit more debate, are you a former Tory voter and have changed to UKIP as they represent your views better, or do you think that leaving Europe is such an important issue that you would vote for UKIP despite them having very little experience with things like education, the economy etc.
MANFACE Posted 8 August 2013 Posted 8 August 2013 No it wasn't, you're relatively new on here, unless you are an old poster with a new account, so I don't know why you would want to vote UKIP. If you are willing to declare your interest I thought you might be willing to share why. It opens up a bit more debate, are you a former Tory voter and have changed to UKIP as they represent your views better, or do you think that leaving Europe is such an important issue that you would vote for UKIP despite them having very little experience with things like education, the economy etc. Thank you for your intellectual response. I've voted both Labour and Tory. You talk about experience and views. My views are like what you say, they are better represented by UKIP. And experience, well, experience is gained by doing the job and common-sense, very little is possessed by the big parties. You can either sit on your arse and complain, or do something about it, I've done the latter.
purpleronnie Posted 8 August 2013 Posted 8 August 2013 You'll be fine if you're rich, judging by UKIP policies.
MANFACE Posted 8 August 2013 Posted 8 August 2013 Just to add, we need a strong Europe, but only as a trading partner. I know the UK can govern it's self quite well after many centuries of doing it, and also other countries follow our lead whether it's in social needs or law.
MANFACE Posted 8 August 2013 Posted 8 August 2013 You'll be fine if you're rich, judging by UKIP policies. Which policies ?
purpleronnie Posted 8 August 2013 Posted 8 August 2013 Which policies ? scrapping inheritance tax. Introduce a flat rate of tax
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 8 August 2013 Posted 8 August 2013 Thank you for your intellectual response. I've voted both Labour and Tory. You talk about experience and views. My views are like what you say, they are better represented by UKIP. And experience, well, experience is gained by doing the job and common-sense, very little is possessed by the big parties. You can either sit on your arse and complain, or do something about it, I've done the latter. Well saidI've voted for all 3 of the main parties in the past. Won't be doing again in a hurry. It's time for change
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