CKB Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 I understand what you're saying... but what im basically saying is why should a privately run company cut off their service to anyone? Surely the individual needs to be responsible for their own actions? In your own words.. " he knew what he was doing?" I just don't get this whole concept that people who knew what they were doing can get themselves in trouble and then start pointing the finger elsewhere and start blaming other people for their own mistakes? IMO This man and no one else is responsible for running up this huge bill.... Yeah i totally understand what you are saying aswell, he should be responsible but surely they should be aswell? especially with what was happening! This wasn't just a 500 quid bill, they surely should have been straight on the ball and shouldn't have let this go to the epic proportions it did? But yeah on the other hand he should have stopped himself, it's kinda a catch 22 really i guess... Part of me feels he thought he was going to get away with it and with his mindset i wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't the case, i guess he kinda did?
Fox92 Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Don't feel for anybody that loses great amounts like this through their own problem (whether it be a 90k phone bill, a loss through gambling or drugs etc). I just don't get why it has to be covered by the media. I see what they are getting at in a way like you said, but people with a brain wouldn't do stuff like this (or not to this extent, if they did).
CKB Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 I just don't get why it has to be covered by the media. He's trying to get every bit of cash from the papers he can, trust me
MooseBreath Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 That people are seriously trying to put any blame on Vodafone for this is a very sad reflection on how pathetic our society has become. Quite apart from the fact that Vodafone did actually try to intervene and have actually made a good will gesture of course, neither of which they needed to do. This man should be held fully and solely responsible for his utter stupidity and should feel the full weight of the consequences.
Rincewind Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 He'll be signing a book deal next and I bet he won't write it just have his name on the cover.
Guest MattP Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 That people are seriously trying to put any blame on Vodafone for this is a very sad reflection on how pathetic our society has become. Quite apart from the fact that Vodafone did actually try to intervene and have actually made a good will gesture of course, neither of which they needed to do. This man should be held fully and solely responsible for his utter stupidity and should feel the full weight of the consequences. Agree completely. Personal responsibility is dissappearing from our society.
CKB Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 That people are seriously trying to put any blame on Vodafone for this is a very sad reflection on how pathetic our society has become. Quite apart from the fact that Vodafone did actually try to intervene and have actually made a good will gesture of course, neither of which they needed to do. This man should be held fully and solely responsible for his utter stupidity and should feel the full weight of the consequences. Yes they made that goodwill gesture after it happened, shouldn't they have intervened abit more when these ridiculous high volume of calls were happening? I'm not putting the blame at Vodafone's door at all, i'm putting the blame on both sides...
leicsmac Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Agree completely. Personal responsibility is dissappearing from our society. No real problem with that, but Vodafone must have known they were never to be able to collect all the money they owed from this guy, so you do wonder why they didn't pull the plug earlier, just in the interests of expediency?
Ross-Kemp Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Another example of people wanting their arse wiped ! He went out and got another SIM card, how anyone can blame Vodafone is beyond me.
Guest MattP Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 No real problem with that, but Vodafone must have known they were never to be able to collect all the money they owed from this guy, so you do wonder why they didn't pull the plug earlier, just in the interests of expediency? How do they know tthat? 02 let me run up a grand when I was in China. A 90k phone bill might not be that uncommon. He could a been a perverted old millionaire
Fez of Mahrez Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Seems a pretty clever move to get it in the nationals if he got paid decent money for it. Supply and demand, you're all reading about it.
CKB Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Another example of people wanting their arse wiped ! He went out and got another SIM card, how anyone can blame Vodafone is beyond me. Yes that is why i am saying he knew what he was doing, but Vodafone should have stopped this way before! Phone companies have rules and for this to just be ignored and for a bill to be run up like this just baffles me as to why it was allowed to go higher and higher and higher!
CKB Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Seems a pretty clever move to get it in the nationals if he got paid decent money for it. He didn't , hence why he's now bankrupt
leicsmac Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 How do they know tthat? 02 let me run up a grand when I was in China. A 90k phone bill might not be that uncommon. He could a been a perverted old millionaire Surely a simple credit check before the contract was signed up for would establish that the guy didn't have the money. I know I had to have one before I got on my present phone contract. Like I said, just purely to prevent having to go through all this shit later and not even get their money back Vodafone should have at least asked a few more questions before it all got out of hand. The guy is a waster - how difficult would it have been to say no to him?
davieG Posted 10 June 2013 Author Posted 10 June 2013 Does it actually cost Vodaphone anything at all when someone makes a call, I know there's the development, set up and maintenance costs but when you spread that out over all their customers this guy's actually costing them very little and maybe that's why they weren't too vigilant. Just a thought.
CKB Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Surely a simple credit check before the contract was signed up for would establish that the guy didn't have the money. I know I had to have one before I got on my present phone contract. Like I said, just purely to prevent having to go through all this shit later and not even get their money back Vodafone should have at least asked a few more questions before it all got out of hand. The guy is a waster - how difficult would it have been to say no to him? Unfortunately i have heard many people pass credit checks with Vodafone, the same with 3 but 02 are quite tough
Rincewind Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 How many parents take a phone contracts out for their kids and don't know at first how the phones are being used? I am sure they would want to be imformed if the usage gets too high. Yes yo can put a limit etc. on them but life isn't always that simple. I think this bloke must have had serious mental issues. He had noone to knock his head against the wall so to speak. Reality has struck him and he may be over it How long was his bill contract? Monthly? After the first bill Voafone should have said we want payment. Did he think the 'Free minutes' included Premium numbers? (if he had free minutes) But saying all that I have little sympathy. There are others more deserving of assistance.
MooseBreath Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 How would a credit check have helped? They don't check for your ability to pay a 90 grand bill. Looks to me like Vodafone flagged the first bill, the guy got around it, and then Vodafone flagged the 2nd bill and this time it stopped for good. Can't ask for much more than that unless you want to pay through the roof for your mobile phone operator to have a team permanently monitoring everybody's usage just in case some weird cvnt wants to be the village idiot.
MPH Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Yes that is why i am saying he knew what he was doing, but Vodafone should have stopped this way before! Phone companies have rules and for this to just be ignored and for a bill to be run up like this just baffles me as to why it was allowed to go higher and higher and higher! Probably reason as to why they let it keep building is because this wasn't just a mobile to mobile bill.... or long distance calls to Australia or anything like that... this was a call to a premium rate number who then pass that bill on to Vodaphone as it was their number calling it.... so in other words SOMEONE has to pay babestation... and why should it be Vodafone?
CKB Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 How many parents take a phone contracts out for their kids and don't know at first how the phones are being used? I am sure they would want to be imformed if the usage gets too high. Yes yo can put a limit etc. on them but life isn't always that simple. I think this bloke must have had serious mental issues. He had noone to knock his head against the wall so to speak. Reality has struck him and he may be over it How long was his bill contract? Monthly? After the first bill Voafone should have said we want payment. Did he think the 'Free minutes' included Premium numbers? (if he had free minutes) But saying all that I have little sympathy. There are others more deserving of assistance. Some good vaild points made.. I really don't think he has any mental health issues, but who knows? some may say he must to do this, some will say he's just an idiot.. I'm tending to go on the side of he's just a fool who's now trying to get as much attention/money as possible from it, but hey i could be wrong! But from hearing the things he told my missus, he's trying to gain some fame from this one... I still believe both are to blame but i don't agree with the way he's going about this either, it's pitiful really! How would a credit check have helped? They don't check for your ability to pay a 90 grand bill. Looks to me like Vodafone flagged the first bill, the guy got around it, and then Vodafone flagged the 2nd bill and this time it stopped for good. Can't ask for much more than that unless you want to pay through the roof for your mobile phone operator to have a team permanently monitoring everybody's usage just in case some weird cvnt wants to be the village idiot. Mobile operators usually do call you or get in contact if a bill is high, i'm just confused and quite baffled as to why this got so high! I have been with 02, 3, Vodafone in the past and if my bill has got over a certain amount they soon let me know! Probably reason as to why they let it keep building is because this wasn't just a mobile to mobile bill.... or long distance calls to Australia or anything like that... this was a call to a premium rate number who then pass that bill on to Vodaphone as it was their number calling it.... so in other words SOMEONE has to pay babestation... and why should it be Vodafone? Hmmmm you could have a point, but i still find it mind boggling as to how this bill got so high... As far as i know don't these companies share profits from phone calls? i think a percentage goes to Vodafone/whoever and the rest to the company?
Rincewind Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 I often have a call from some mobile companies customer service department telling how much I've spent and how much I can save if I pay more so they do monitor usage. Some of their callers have even offered to reduce my bills so to keep me with them. A few times I have said I was getting a sim card only or PAYG but my monthly bill may be less now than what I'd put on with PAYG. I'm with Virgin and it's less than a tyenner. I rarely use it but PAYG calls are dearer so it's a close call. The minutes I get I am well within the limit as with texts and Internet access.
Voll Blau Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Don't feel for anybody that loses great amounts like this through their own problem (whether it be a 90k phone bill, a loss through gambling or drugs etc). I just don't get why it has to be covered by the media. I see what they are getting at in a way like you said, but people with a brain wouldn't do stuff like this (or not to this extent, if they did). It's a story, people read it, people discuss it. He's trying to get every bit of cash from the papers he can, trust me Seriously doubt the Merc will have paid him.
CKB Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Seriously doubt the Merc will have paid him. Probably not but one national paper did pay him
Captain... Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Mobile operators usually do call you or get in contact if a bill is high, i'm just confused and quite baffled as to why this got so high! I have been with 02, 3, Vodafone in the past and if my bill has got over a certain amount they soon let me know! But if they phone him to question the bill and he says yeah it's fine, what can they do? They are not going to stop someone who wants to make phone calls and accepts responsibility for them. My understanding of pay lines is that they get the money from the phone companies, I guess it just depends whether Vodafone is still liable if their customer doesn't pay, or if they cover themselves in the contract.
Corky Posted 10 June 2013 Posted 10 June 2013 Unemployed Kevin Waldrum built up the huge debt with Vodafone after repeatedly ringing women on Studio 66 TV to tell them of his sadness at splitting up with his girlfriend. Should've spoken to lav on here for advice, would've avoided all this with his no-nonsense style.
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