The Beckford Saga part God knows....

[yorkie1999]

Not going to start a new thread, so I will put this in here.

I was just wondering why, when a player is contracted to a club but clearly not interested or not prepared to put in the effort, he can not simply be sacked?

Presumably he is under contract as a professional footballer, but if he is not being professional and making the effort to do the best he can then surely he is breaking his contract with the club.

Love to see such players sacked and invited to sue for their money, watching someone like Beckford or Danns trying to prove to a court that they have been fulfilling their obligations as a professional footballer would be a hoot.

I can only assume that 'player power' means that the contract is all in the players favour, but does anyone actually know about this sort of stuff?

That's why gallagher tweeted about always giving 100% for the club.

[_Fatboyslow_]

Here's a thought. We buy a club in a lower league. We transfer/loan out the players we don't want/need or are over paid and then let that club go bust. Problem solved. Lets buy Coventry

[indierich06]

It just makes me laugh, When Danns was on form at the end of 11/12 season and was made captain no one on here was saying hes shite. Now hes been made 2nd choice everyone turns. 

 

I was. He couldn't pass, tackle or keep possession then either. Admittedly, when he signed I thought he might be the kind of player we needed, and I even cut him some slack at the start because he was shoved out wide, but once I saw him play in his preferred position a few times I was very disappointed and I know I'm not the only person who thought that way either.

 

And let's not go mad - he had a couple of good games and then got himself suspended (oh yeah, because he can't time a tackle for shit)

[seenitall]

Obviously stats will count for nothing but JB's goal scoring ratio for City in his first season was 15 in 44 appearances = 0.34

For Huddersfield it was 8 in 21 = 0.38

 

 

For easy reference Wood is way out in front with 11 in 20 (0.55)

Nuge is 16 in 48 and 16 in 49 in his two seasons (0.33 - slightly worse than JB)

Waggy achieved 12 in 47 in his best season for us (and was a hero) which is 0.25 (he also cost £3m)

Vardy has 4 in 21 which is 0.19

Schlupp has a better record than these two career wise at this level with a 0.21 ratio despite starting most games this season at left back!!

 

The best for us would be to get JB back and rotate Nugent, Wood and him - I reckon this could contribute 50 plus goals from our strike force. Offloading Vardy and Waggy would arguably bring £10-15k a week in salary to offset against Jermaines' wages (which are not his fault remember) competition for starting would be high and Jeffery could be used as a back up for any of these (great guy to have on a bench Jeff as he plays two positions - two more than some of our players)

 

Now all we need is a manager who can sell this concept to the lads, motivate them and play a formation that gives them lots of service and doesn't need them to be constantly trying to defend because we have no strength in midfield

[Harry - LCFC]

Obviously stats will count for nothing but JB's goal scoring ratio for City in his first season was 15 in 44 appearances = 0.34

For Huddersfield it was 8 in 21 = 0.38

 

 

For easy reference Wood is way out in front with 11 in 20 (0.55)

Nuge is 16 in 48 and 16 in 49 in his two seasons (0.33 - slightly worse than JB)

Waggy achieved 12 in 47 in his best season for us (and was a hero) which is 0.25 (he also cost £3m)

Vardy has 4 in 21 which is 0.19

Schlupp has a better record than these two career wise at this level with a 0.21 ratio despite starting most games this season at left back!!

 

The best for us would be to get JB back and rotate Nugent, Wood and him - I reckon this could contribute 50 plus goals from our strike force. Offloading Vardy and Waggy would arguably bring £10-15k a week in salary to offset against Jermaines' wages (which are not his fault remember) competition for starting would be high and Jeffery could be used as a back up for any of these (great guy to have on a bench Jeff as he plays two positions - two more than some of our players)

 

Now all we need is a manager who can sell this concept to the lads, motivate them and play a formation that gives them lots of service and doesn't need them to be constantly trying to defend because we have no strength in midfield

 

 

 

So from that we can see that the strike rate calculation you've made will be hugely skewed towards Beckford as opposed to Waghorn due to the proportion of sub appearances each has made. Waghorn has far less time on the pitch than you might think.

[_Fatboyslow_]

The best for us would be to get JB back and rotate Nugent, Wood and him -

So what did not work with Vardy will work with Wood. Guess Beckford must have had a change of heart then.

[seenitall]

So what did not work with Vardy will work with Wood. Guess Beckford must have had a change of heart then.

 

Well if we can't afford to get rid, can't afford to sign someone else it has to be worth a go. Also, it really is down to the manager of the club to motivate and inspire his team - we have heard he can't be held responsible for signing them or paying them, what exactly is he there for?

 

FYI Cottee (0.32) Young (0.25) Dickov (0.36) Alan Smith (0.38) and even my hero Frank Worthington (0.34) all performed at about the same efficiency as Beckford and Nugent while they played for us - Lineker was a true star with 95 in 194 - a whopping 0.48 but Beckford hate does seem to be more about his body language than anything supported by facts. Even if you don't count cup goals (which pedants won't want to) his league ratio in the past 2 season is 16 in 63 which is 0.25 - still as high as Alan Young and better than Jamie or Martyn.

 

It would go a long way to me thinking Nige is growing up if he could be the man in the relationship and bring Jermaine back into the fold - even at his lowest rate (just counting the league) he is worth an additional 11-12 goals a season - something the combined output of Waggy, Vardy Futacs and Kane was never going to produce last season.

[marbelladave]

Have we considered having a couple of 'heavies' break his legs, then pay him off and claim on the insurance?

Worked on Footballers' Wives', I saw it!

[Babylon]

The best for us would be to get JB back and rotate Nugent, Wood and him

What like earlier in the season when he had a hissy fit and wanted a transfer because he was on the bench!

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Get rid, I'm sorry but he shows no effort in wanting to try for Leicester City FC

[seenitall]

What like earlier in the season when he had a hissy fit and wanted a transfer because he was on the bench!

 Please see earlier comment about our manager - if Mancini can sort out Tevez who threw a proper hissy fit then how come our million pound man has to admit defeat over a hissy fit from his player?

 

O Neill had trouble with Colllymore but sorted it and got some great football out of him

 

It would go a long way to convincing his detractors if NP could sort out Beckford and get him scoring for us........probably won't be able to though - it requires diplomacy, motivational skills and the ability to climb down and man up all at the same time -over to you Nige

[seenitall]

Get rid, I'm sorry but he shows no effort in wanting to try for Leicester City FC

If you honestly believe that any of the players we currently have care anything for Leicester City at all then you have been mugged - all mercenaries, all would leave for a bigger club at the first sniff - this is football chap

[indierich06]

 Please see earlier comment about our manager - if Mancini can sort out Tevez who threw a proper hissy fit then how come our million pound man has to admit defeat over a hissy fit from his player?

 

O Neill had trouble with Colllymore but sorted it and got some great football out of him

 

It would go a long way to convincing his detractors if NP could sort out Beckford and get him scoring for us........probably won't be able to though - it requires diplomacy, motivational skills and the ability to climb down and man up all at the same time -over to you Nige

 

Collymore and Tevez had something that Beckford is lacking though; talent. Beckford's still not shown he can do it in this league, even spending most of this season playing under a manager who apparently knew how to get the best out of him, he still hasn't hit double figures. Why would we persist with a player who doesn't want to be here unless he's starting every single game, but doesn't score as many goals as other strikers in our side?

 

If he thinks he's too good to sit on our bench, he's wrong, and I'll be glad to see the back of him. What would you rather we do? Start him every single game regardless of performance?

[Bob Weasel Fox]

If you honestly believe that any of the players we currently have care anything for Leicester City at all then you have been mugged - all mercenaries, all would leave for a bigger club at the first sniff - this is football chap

To a degree you are right on that seenitall however there is the odd exception Lloyd Dyer genuinely seems to have an affinity with the club and Liam Moore is a city fan from childhood, I'm sure there are others

In particular Beckford is a mercenary

[muzzy1981]

Beckford isn't that good, he is easy to eliminate tactically and doesn't play for the team. He has only ever scored a lot in league 1.

[sylofox]

Praps Beckfords hissy fit is nothing to do with NP not playing and being dropped.

 

Praps people should look closer to home.

 

Most on here gave him no time to settle cos he did'nt score a hattrick in his first game.

 

Yet other players seem to get hero status for one good game.

[indierich06]

Praps Beckfords hissy fit is nothing to do with NP not playing and being dropped.

 

Praps people should look closer to home.

 

Most on here gave him no time to settle cos he did'nt score a hattrick in his first game.

 

Yet other players seem to get hero status for one good game.

 

Aww so his tens of thousands of pounds every week isn't enough? We've got to cheer him and lick his arse before he'll start performing? If that's the case, **** him.

[sylofox]

Beckford isn't that good, he is easy to eliminate tactically and doesn't play for the team. He has only ever scored a lot in league 1.

And can I ask Muzzy what level you played at and how many you scored??

[sylofox]

Aww so his tens of thousands of pounds every week isn't enough? We've got to cheer him and lick his arse before he'll start performing? If that's the case, **** him.

Well as seenitall has shown his record is not far behind some of our all time hero's.

 

But then again your praps not old enough to remember any of them.

[Babylon]

If Mancini can sort out Tevez who threw a proper hissy fit then how come our million pound man has to admit defeat over a hissy fit from his player?

You mean Mancini who just got sacked?

 

 

O Neill had trouble with Colllymore but sorted it and got some great football out of him

 

Collymore set of a fire extinguisher, he didn't ask for a transfer after sitting on the bench for 4 games.

 

 

 it requires diplomacy, motivational skills and the ability to climb down and man up all at the same time -over to you Nige

 

It also require a good striker... preferably one who has scored more than 9 league goals above league one at the age of 29.

 

 

[indierich06]

Well as seenitall has shown his record is not far behind some of our all time hero's.

 

But then again your praps not old enough to remember any of them.

 

He's scored 9 this season, under a manager who's supposedly supposed to be able to get the best out of him, Wood's scored 20 over the course of the season, Nugent's scored 16.

 

Why would we want a striker on our books who's paid more than players who are better than him and contributes less, and spits his dummy out if he's not starting every game or the fans aren't singing his name?

Sod him. You lot can reason why he should be in the team, or that it's nasty Mr Pearson's fault for not building a team around poor old £30,000-a-week-and-no-effort Becks, but I'll be delighted if some mug comes along and finally takes him off our hands - I'm praying for the day.

[seenitall]

If he could motivate himself to score every week he wouldn't need a manager and we would instantly be £1m a year better off.........

 

The stats can't really be argued with - even in the Premier League he was 0.25 (8 goals in 32 games) so he has been consistent throughout his career and at all levels.

 

He cost less than Waghorn and quite possibly less than Knocky and no one really knows what any of our players are on.

 

Seems to me he is hated because of his perceived attitude problems which is not unusual for a footballer so he should be managed properly, as an asset, even if we want rid - if we could get him scoring again (and remember his record rather than your perceptions and prejudices) then surely he would command a decent fee - we fell for it and someone else might. Come on Nige - this is what managing a football team is all about.

[Babylon]

If he could motivate himself to score every week he wouldn't need a manager and we would instantly be £1m a year better off.........

 

The stats can't really be argued with - even in the Premier League he was 0.25 (8 goals in 32 games) so he has been consistent throughout his career and at all levels.

 

He cost less than Waghorn and quite possibly less than Knocky and no one really knows what any of our players are on.

 

Seems to me he is hated because of his perceived attitude problems which is not unusual for a footballer so he should be managed properly, as an asset, even if we want rid - if we could get him scoring again (and remember his record rather than your perceptions and prejudices) then surely he would command a decent fee - we fell for it and someone else might. Come on Nige - this is what managing a football team is all about.

His record is that he's never scored more than 9 league goals above league one. No league one teams, no weak cup teams to boost his stats. League goals, bread and flipping butter.

 

£4.5m

 

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Jermaine-Beckford-Leicester-City-s-pound-4-5m-man/story-13245352-detail/story.html#axzz2WrelIr81

[Guest MattP]

Babylon has been absolutely superb in this thread.

[indierich06]

If he could motivate himself to score every week he wouldn't need a manager and we would instantly be £1m a year better off.........

 

The stats can't really be argued with - even in the Premier League he was 0.25 (8 goals in 32 games) so he has been consistent throughout his career and at all levels.

 

He cost less than Waghorn and quite possibly less than Knocky and no one really knows what any of our players are on.

 

Seems to me he is hated because of his perceived attitude problems which is not unusual for a footballer so he should be managed properly, as an asset, even if we want rid - if we could get him scoring again (and remember his record rather than your perceptions and prejudices) then surely he would command a decent fee - we fell for it and someone else might. Come on Nige - this is what managing a football team is all about.

 

Maybe that was the rationale in sending to him to work with the manager who knows him best and has gotten the best out of him in the past - to get him scoring goals and put him in the shop window. But, oh wait, he still didn't score more than last season.

 

It's clear nine or ten goals is about his level in the Championship and for what he's rumoured to be being paid and the fact that he can't sit on the bench without throwing a strop, it's not good enough.