Mark_w Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 Are you looking forward with excitement to another season under Pearson? I hate to go back to the whole 'best manager since I started watching Leicester City' thing, but yes, yes I am excited for another season under Nigel Pearson. Since he's the only manager who has had any real success in charge of this club for the last ten years. I believe Pearson to be an average manager. Given the resources at hand (and his salary) he's done ok. Nothing more. When I predicted 7th at the start of the season that wasn't because I thought we SHOULD finish 7th but because I looked at the squad and thought that's where we'd finish. With better signings, we'd have finished higher. So what you're saying is, you judged the players we signed before you'd seen them play a second of football. Remind me again why we should pay any attention to who you think should be playing for Leicester City Football Club...?
Guest Col city fan Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 I hate to go back to the whole 'best manager since I started watching Leicester City' thing, but yes, yes I am excited for another season under Nigel Pearson. Since he's the only manager who has had any real success in charge of this club for the last ten years. So what you're saying is, you judged the players we signed before you'd seen them play a second of football. Remind me again why we should pay any attention to who you think should be playing for Leicester City Football Club...? Yes I did Mark.. And was very very nearly spot on.. I suggested that we needed more quality in the squad if we were to gain top two. And that an over-reliance on too many younger players may well prove folly. And again was proven correct. I'm afraid your insistence about Waghorn being the cool finisher we know he isn't and 'the answer' to our goals problem rendered it really difficult to take you seriously. However, your recent posts have been more readable. The last one excepted. So well done to you..
Mark_w Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 Yes I did Mark.. And was very very nearly spot on.. I suggested that we needed more quality in the squad if we were to gain top two. And that an over-reliance on too many younger players may well prove folly. And again was proven correct. I'm afraid your insistence about Waghorn being the cool finisher we know he isn't and 'the answer' to our goals problem rendered it really difficult to take you seriously. However, your recent posts have been more readable. The last one excepted. So well done to you.. Even though I've not once said either of those things.
Swiss_tony Posted 22 June 2013 Posted 22 June 2013 I hate to go back to the whole 'best manager since I started watching Leicester City' thing, but yes, yes I am excited for another season under Nigel Pearson. Since he's the only manager who has had any real success in charge of this club for the last ten years. So what you're saying is, you judged the players we signed before you'd seen them play a second of football. Remind me again why we should pay any attention to who you think should be playing for Leicester City Football Club...? micky adams is the only leicester manager in the last ten years to get us promoted to the prem. if you think np has had more succes than him then i don't think we need to pay attention to you either.
Mark_w Posted 22 June 2013 Posted 22 June 2013 micky adams is the only leicester manager in the last ten years to get us promoted to the prem. nigel still has a ways to go to match that. That was over ten years ago though.
Swiss_tony Posted 22 June 2013 Posted 22 June 2013 according to my calculations 2002-2003 season is exactly, not more than, 10 years ago.
Mark_w Posted 22 June 2013 Posted 22 June 2013 according to my calculations 2002-2003 season is exactly, not more than, 10 years ago. I'll concede that it was ten seasons ago, but it was about 10 years and a month ago.
Aus Fox Posted 22 June 2013 Posted 22 June 2013 At the end of the day we are a mid to upper championships club meaning the players and staff we have are at that level, the manager will make mistakes if he didn't he'd be managing Man Utd or Chelsea now, the platers are the same. Pearson is IMO the best manager currently available to us, with the players I would love to see any player who wants to be at the club and fight for the team in the squad. If you don't want to be here then go... This is what's happened with Mills, Becckford and danns
Babylon Posted 22 June 2013 Posted 22 June 2013 I suggested that we needed more quality in the squad if we were to gain top two. And that an over-reliance on too many younger players may well prove folly. And again was proven correct. You predicted more quality was needed for top two... watch out nostradamus!!!!
seenitall Posted 22 June 2013 Posted 22 June 2013 Great debate-what would be fascinating now is to see how some on here would react if Nige did bring him back. I think the poor decisions made by Nige in regards to players would be less of an issue for him if he had achieved some kind of success in his time back here. Or at Hull. He hasn't unfortunately, and Stwve Bruce being able to take Hull up in a first attempt kind of shows what we are stuck with. Back to the stats (because its all about results and facts) JB in a full season has the record of hitting one in four at all levels on a regular basis (except under Nige) and this could make him a useful addition to the team. Keep on denyingbit, but it is a fact
Strokes Posted 22 June 2013 Posted 22 June 2013 I'd be pretty happy if danns and beckford were given another chance. From what I've seen they are better players than their replacements, although I only seen about 10 games last season. I understand the job Pearson has been given, and think he has done ok, not amazing. If he starts the season in charge he should be given the full season, I hate mid season changes.
theessexfox Posted 22 June 2013 Posted 22 June 2013 What do those who want Beckford back in the side think to the rumour that we have to pay Everton a large amount for his next appearance?
ealingfox Posted 22 June 2013 Posted 22 June 2013 What do those who want Beckford back in the side think to the rumour that we have to pay Everton a large amount for his next appearance? There's also this. That would turn him from an expensive mistake into a groin-grabbingly expensive mistake. We could sign someone else with that chunk.
Babylon Posted 22 June 2013 Posted 22 June 2013 Great debate-what would be fascinating now is to see how some on here would react if Nige did bring him back. I think the poor decisions made by Nige in regards to players would be less of an issue for him if he had achieved some kind of success in his time back here. Or at Hull. He hasn't unfortunately, and Stwve Bruce being able to take Hull up in a first attempt kind of shows what we are stuck with. Back to the stats (because its all about results and facts) JB in a full season has the record of hitting one in four at all levels on a regular basis (except under Nige) and this could make him a useful addition to the team. Keep on denyingbit, but it is a fact Again, he wanted to leave. We replaced him with someone who hit a similar ratio of league goals and then someone else who knocked Beckfords gpg ratio out of the park. So the question should be is Beckford willing to be a bit part player? If he is happy to come back and work for a spot in the team I have no problem. If he gets the hump and asks to leave again, then no I don't want him anywhere near the team.
Captain... Posted 22 June 2013 Posted 22 June 2013 Please see earlier comment about our manager - if Mancini can sort out Tevez who threw a proper hissy fit then how come our million pound man has to admit defeat over a hissy fit from his player? O Neill had trouble with Colllymore but sorted it and got some great football out of him It would go a long way to convincing his detractors if NP could sort out Beckford and get him scoring for us........probably won't be able to though - it requires diplomacy, motivational skills and the ability to climb down and man up all at the same time -over to you Nige The difference is their problems were off the pitch, Beckford's problems are on the pitch, he just hasn't been good enough for us, you can massage the stats as much as you want but anyone who watched him play regularly for us knows that he wasn't good enough. His finishing was poor his touch was awful and he contributed nothing outside of the opposition box. Forget the stats forget the league goals vs cup goals forget the attitude and the appearance related fees, which really shouldn't be a consideration, look back at the 2011/12 season, dig out some sky games, delve deep into your memory banks and try and think of a game where he performed like a 3-4 million pound striker, and then think of all the one on ones he missed, the awful touches, the selfish play and every time he looked disinterested, every time I saw him play he looked awful, the forest game apart, he was bang average at best, I so wanted it to work, I was excited when we signed, but I remember the first time I saw him play, the way the ball would bounce miles off his shin, and how he would just give up and not even bother to chase down his errant attempts to control the ball. Maybe he has changed, maybe he has rediscovered his touch his attitude his desire and maybe he really wants to make it work at Leicester, and if so I will support him, but I have seen no evidence of that and without that there is no point calling for his inclusion or a second chance because we don't know that. The only people that do will be the ones making the decisions.
Captain... Posted 22 June 2013 Posted 22 June 2013 There's also this. That would turn him from an expensive mistake into a groin-grabbingly expensive mistake. We could sign someone else with that chunk. This really shouldn't be an issue and it shouldn't be a reason to get rid of a player, it really does depend on the amount and he. this 'fact' is actually true. But we should be playing the best team we can whenever we can and in my eyes Beckford is nowhere near being in our best team.
Leicester_Numan Posted 22 June 2013 Posted 22 June 2013 Great debate-what would be fascinating now is to see how some on here would react if Nige did bring him back. I think the poor decisions made by Nige in regards to players would be less of an issue for him if he had achieved some kind of success in his time back here. Or at Hull. He hasn't unfortunately, and Stwve Bruce being able to take Hull up in a first attempt kind of shows what we are stuck with. Back to the stats (because its all about results and facts) JB in a full season has the record of hitting one in four at all levels on a regular basis (except under Nige) and this could make him a useful addition to the team. Keep on denyingbit, but it is a fact Like reasonable people, we'd give him another chance if Pearson brought him back and when he fails we'll say "that proves it, he's useless."What we won't do is question his decision to bring him back and use it as a stick to beat him over the head with like some will.
Number 6 Posted 22 June 2013 Posted 22 June 2013 Shifting Beckford would be superb news. Come on Dougie, make it happen.
Corky Posted 22 June 2013 Posted 22 June 2013 The evidence (and the stats) are that we conceded fewest goals when Matt Mills was partnering Wes Morgan. Not by much, but that was the reality. They played about 3 games together.
seenitall Posted 22 June 2013 Posted 22 June 2013 Like reasonable people, we'd give him another chance if Pearson brought him back and when he fails we'll say "that proves it, he's useless." What we won't do is question his decision to bring him back and use it as a stick to beat him over the head with like some will. 'when he fails' 'what WE won't do' Do I detect from your tone that the average Nige fan assumes the moral high ground in these debates - that is hilarious - you are the chumps in the wrong, settling for mediocre performances and his inability to achieve anything other than a couple of play off knockouts in 4 years. Back that up with ' the majority want him to stay' and you are SO right aren't you?
Mark_w Posted 22 June 2013 Posted 22 June 2013 you are the chumps in the wrong, settling for mediocre performances. Yet you want Beckford back. Would you describe his performances as anything other than mediocre?
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 22 June 2013 Posted 22 June 2013 Shifting Beckford would be superb news. Come on Dougie, make it happen.This, get rid
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