indierich06 Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 I'm really not too fussed either way, however, if we can't get rid he could be like a new signing, meaning that the season before last when he was getting slated he was playing poorly in a team that weren't creating a lot of chances, if he had been played last year when we were my opinion is that he could have got a few goals, increased in confidence and gone on to be one of the top scorers in the league. Yes, a terrible, terrible new signing on more money than we can possibly afford to pay him. He was first choice at the start of last season, but he played absolutely shit and then completely spat his dummy out when he was dropped for being shit. If the financial burden that he and other players have on this club wasn't so heavy, I'd probably be up for keeping a few of them, but they're just draining us dry at the minute. This might be the first summer where who we get rid of is just as important as who we bring in to be honest, regardless of anything else, our finances mean we simply cannot afford to keep these players.
Babylon Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 The annoying thing is that that these so called "dead wood" players are only that because the current manager can't work with or utilise them. Personally I think Beckford is a prat of the first order. However, Martin O'Neill rescued Stan Collymore when nobody would touch him with a barge pole, made Frank Sinclair (and others) an asset to the team and revitalised a (finished) Tony Cottee. If the owners don't have the money to offload these players Pearson is unable to use then perhaps it is he that needs offloading for someone who can. Just a thought!! Or they are dead wood because they just aren't that good? Beckford 29 - Never scored more than 9 goals above league one. Danns 30 - Career highlight winning player of the year in a Palace team finishing near the foot of the table. St Ledger 28 - Played most of his career at Peterborough and Preston. They are all in their latter years and other than Beckford playing a few games for Everton before getting sold none have rarely attracted the interest of any top end quality championship teams, let alone premier league teams. Not only that, but you can other factors like what they are like to have around. Their attitude when not in the squad or on the bench (constantly stated by Pearson about players he's trying to get rid of).
sylofox Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 Or they are dead wood because they just aren't that good? Beckford 29 - Never scored more than 9 goals above league one. Danns 30 - Career highlight winning player of the year in a Palace team finishing near the foot of the table. St Ledger 28 - Played most of his career at Peterborough and Preston. They are all in their latter years and other than Beckford playing a few games for Everton before getting sold none have rarely attracted the interest of any top end quality championship teams, let alone premier league teams. Not only that, but you can other factors like what they are like to have around. Their attitude when not in the squad or on the bench (constantly stated by Pearson about players he's trying to get rid of). Add to that the money we pay them we are stuck with them.
fazzyfox Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 Fascinating fazzy fact:- Did you know that the latin for "Beckford" is "Attitudius Problemos"?
Guest ttfn Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 Deserves another chance certainly Why? So he can show the same contempt for the club he's shown in 80% of his games for us? Get rid.
alwyne webster Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 i still say if the club cant sell them ,,,bloody play them
indierich06 Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 i still say if the club cant sell them ,,,bloody play them But they're shit? We've got better players in every position.
allen10 Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 In my opinion, if we've got any chance of getting rid of this guy, we have to accept we're going to lose a lot of money on him. After buying him for £1.5m (I think), we'd be lucky to get £500k. Beckford himself has to realise he isn't good enough for the Premier League and if he wants to get first team football, he has to significantly drop his wage demands so a club who will play him week in week out can afford him. But with footballers egos, I can't see this happening!
yorkie1999 Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 If we can't get rid we should play him, danns, ssl etc and the academy players in the cups. We could use them to bring the academy players on a bit plus have a dedicated cup side so our first team don't have to play too many games.
suffolk fox Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 But they're shit? We've got better players in every position. Disagree neither of them are shit as you put it. Both are more than capable of playing in the championship. If both had been on our bench against watford in the playoff who knows what would have happened? Would rather have brought beckford on as a sub rather than harry bloody Kane!
Babylon Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 i still say if the club cant sell them ,,,bloody play them We tried that before, but he didn't want to sit on the bench and be part of the team. It was HE that said he wanted to go.
Fox Ulike Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 Does anyone think that the coming season could be the one in which Jermaine Beckford turns his 'potential' into goals for the club? An in-form Beckford, utilised correctly, could surprise us all.... What potential?? He’s 29 years old. This is as good as it gets for Beckford. Beckford is the sort of player who thrives in the ‘Football League Highlights’ section. When you watch the goal highlights of a game on 'The Football League Show' and see him score a spectacular volley, you end up thinking “Wow what a player!â€. When you actually watch him in a full game though, you realise that he is trying to score a spectacular goal every time he gets the ball – and so just ends up conceding possession 99% of the time. Bolton rate him at £200k. I can’t believe that anybody who has watched him in a FULL game could disagree with that valuation. Col I would love to know how you think Beckford could be “utilised correctlyâ€. He’d be good as the field-goal kicker in a American Football team. So he can sit on his arse for most of the game and then just wander on to score a winning field goal in Over time.
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 I could write reams on this one, but I won't wate my time with all the ifs, bits and maybes, however there is one question I would like the answer to and that is "is he interested in play for us"
ealingfox Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 Bang average at this level, the Sean Shit. Ledger of strikers. Quite astonishing that some people still think he could be god's gift for us, did you not see any of the games he played in a Leicester shirt? The guy's playing style looks like he's more interested in pulling off tricks, and he can't really be arsed, like Yakubu, but Yakubu bagged far more frequently so it wasn't a problem.
LCFC FOX Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 But they're shit? We've got better players in every position. I agree with Nugent and Wood being better than Becks and King and James being better than Danns, but SSL is better than Whitbread IMO
marbelladave Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 Not going to start a new thread, so I will put this in here. I was just wondering why, when a player is contracted to a club but clearly not interested or not prepared to put in the effort, he can not simply be sacked? Presumably he is under contract as a professional footballer, but if he is not being professional and making the effort to do the best he can then surely he is breaking his contract with the club. Love to see such players sacked and invited to sue for their money, watching someone like Beckford or Danns trying to prove to a court that they have been fulfilling their obligations as a professional footballer would be a hoot. I can only assume that 'player power' means that the contract is all in the players favour, but does anyone actually know about this sort of stuff?
indierich06 Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 Disagree neither of them are shit as you put it. Both are more than capable of playing in the championship. If both had been on our bench against watford in the playoff who knows what would have happened? Would rather have brought beckford on as a sub rather than harry bloody Kane! Who, Danns and Beckford? Yep, they're shit. Danns in particular is a very poor footballer in that he can't tackle without giving away free kicks, he can't pass the ball well and consequently he is very poor at retaining possession. On the plus side, he's quite energetic, but that's about it and that's nowhere near good enough. I'm completely confident in saying that King, James and Drinkwater are all much, much better options than Danns and consequently, we have no use for him. We might need another type of midfielder, perhaps a more physical, ball winning midfielder, but Danns is not that midfielder. I've been saying this since day one, his a poor-quality, very limited midfielder and if he left tomorrow, I wouldn't remotely care. We've not missed him at all this season and we won't miss him when he's gone. As for Beckford, yes, he's poor too. He's probably good enough to be a backup striker, but he's never going to be good enough to lead the line for a Championship team and he's never hit more than double figures above League One, even under the manager he thrived under at Leeds, and that's a fact. We've got Chris Wood and David Nugent who are capable of hitting double figures, as they've proved this season. We could probably do with some decent back up, but not on £30,000 a week. Combine their pitiful contribution on the pitch with their ridiculous wages and you can only come to the conclusion that these men need to leave, because Beckford, Danns and the other poor, expensive signings made by the con-man Sven Goran Errikson are a cancer on this club that need to be excised as soon as humanly possible.
indierich06 Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 I could write reams on this one, but I won't wate my time with all the ifs, bits and maybes, however there is one question I would like the answer to and that is "is he interested in play for us" And the answer to that question, quite simply, is no.
ealingfox Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 Good post. Danns can't even control the fvcking ball without looking down at his feet.
MC Prussian Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 Who, Danns and Beckford? Yep, they're shit. Danns in particular is a very poor footballer in that he can't tackle without giving away free kicks, he can't pass the ball well and consequently he is very poor at retaining possession. On the plus side, he's quite energetic, but that's about it and that's nowhere near good enough. I'm completely confident in saying that King, James and Drinkwater are all much, much better options than Danns and consequently, we have no use for him. We might need another type of midfielder, perhaps a more physical, ball winning midfielder, but Danns is not that midfielder. I've been saying this since day one, his a poor-quality, very limited midfielder and if he left tomorrow, I wouldn't remotely care. We've not missed him at all this season and we won't miss him when he's gone. As for Beckford, yes, he's poor too. He's probably good enough to be a backup striker, but he's never going to be good enough to lead the line for a Championship team and he's never hit more than double figures above League One, even under the manager he thrived under at Leeds, and that's a fact. We've got Chris Wood and David Nugent who are capable of hitting double figures, as they've proved this season. We could probably do with some decent back up, but not on £30,000 a week. Combine their pitiful contribution on the pitch with their ridiculous wages and you can only come to the conclusion that these men need to leave, because Beckford, Danns and the other poor, expensive signings made by the con-man Sven Goran Errikson are a cancer on this club that need to be excised as soon as humanly possible. I agree with this. However, it would be interesting to find out what it would cost to release those high-earners before the end of their contract expiration. I bet there's a few players (as well as agents) that would cash in insane amounts of money from such a move - and now that FFP is looming, I suppose the club is having a hard time finding potential buyers or teams who would want to take those players on as a loan. We're a bit fvcked in some sort of a Catch-22 situation, eh?
deep blue Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 Good post by Indierich. Just to add that in Beckford's case it's not just a question of whether we can afford him to sit on the bench, but by all accounts he isn't prepared to do that either.
LCFC FOX Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 It just makes me laugh, When Danns was on form at the end of 11/12 season and was made captain no one on here was saying hes shite. Now hes been made 2nd choice everyone turns.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 I thought Danns was good before he signed for us but every time I've seen him play he looks like crash bandicoot on speed
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 And the answer to that question, quite simply, is no. And Babs has stated the same, so it is quite simply a matter of getting what ever we can for him. I also believe that it was as a result of Beckfords actions at the start of last season that left Pearson with no option but to keep playing Vardy for which Pearson is now being criticised when in realality Beckfords actions are to blame. As the damage is now done I feel that everyone should move on. Surely there is some dumb ass club in the lines of Turkey he can go to?
Merging Cultures Posted 21 June 2013 Posted 21 June 2013 Not going to start a new thread, so I will put this in here. I was just wondering why, when a player is contracted to a club but clearly not interested or not prepared to put in the effort, he can not simply be sacked? Presumably he is under contract as a professional footballer, but if he is not being professional and making the effort to do the best he can then surely he is breaking his contract with the club. Love to see such players sacked and invited to sue for their money, watching someone like Beckford or Danns trying to prove to a court that they have been fulfilling their obligations as a professional footballer would be a hoot. I can only assume that 'player power' means that the contract is all in the players favour, but does anyone actually know about this sort of stuff? I agree. I know it is easy to assume the club has looked into these options, but then again they are a football club...
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