RowZ Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 Not having it...sounds to me like NP excuses yet again for not creating enough or failing to hit the net - this time against lower league/non league sides; but he reckons he learned a lot about his players "both physically and psychologically" (against York City?) We hear so many times about the importance of having a "good pre season" - what actually does that mean then? Surely should mean improving with each game and looking closer to an impressive starting eleven? A pre season mix of Leamington, Port Vale, York, Northampton and Monaco thrown in the mix - makes no sense to me unless for target practice (Monaco aside). Championship sides won't line up like any of these teams. Results aside, Leicester surely should be closer to looking like a top 3 Championship side than they have been with a couple of 'fitness' games to go? Even the LM seem less than convinced
Guest kristianity77 Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 Well, unless im mistaken, I dont think we've played our more than likely front two together at all so I wouldnt read too much in to it. However, we've yet to concede a goal with a myriad of different back 4s and against any opposition, thats as good a place as any to start. Plus you have to factor that players just aren't going to go for 50/50s or give 100% and risk injury before the season even begins. I expect however, that we will get a much better idea of Pearsons plans for the season and where the players "are at" against Monaco
lgfualol Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 I just hope the set pieces have been worked on. Some of those corners last season were dreadful.
seenitall Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 I just hope the set pieces have been worked on. Some of those corners last season were dreadful. I always find it amazing that when my kids were like 10 years old they could ytake a corner and get the ball in the air and past the first man but some of our players (most actually) can't achieve the same thing - blame the coaching
Guest Sharpe's Fox Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 I think pre-season is only about getting fit, hence the two different squads that played in the last two days. We shouldn't be aiming to score five or six against teams just because they are in a lower league, instead getting to a point where the coaching staff knows where each player is at in terms of fitness. The result doesn't matter. Monaco, on the other hand, is mostly a shirt selling exercise.
glenny_fox Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 Pre-season games mean very little in terms of winning/losing.. It is purely and simply a fitness game. Do you seriously think the city players will be up for a game against york city when there is nothing to play for really. where as york players will be right up for the game. You've just got to look at man utd and also Monaco, both of them are having horrible preseasons won 1/3 and 0/2 respectively. Do you think their fans are in turmoil over it?
kylestyle06 Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 Man Utd have lost 2 of their 3 friendlies, with the losses being to teams that you have never heard of! Stop moaning and moan when you have reason to. Pre Seasons ARE friendly and are hardly competitive? It's more about 90 mins on the pitch...
Monsell1976 Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 To be fair to Pearson( that hurt😃), he appears to have given the kids a chance, mix in with the first teamers, so up until now it's about trying a new formations and fitness, aswell as seeing what the kids offer. Pre season isn't just about fitness though, you would hope the players will be getting into form and gaining confidence. I think Saturday will see how good we are, I don't expect to win by any means, but for the first time pre season the whole first team will play together and hopefully work well together, and if they put in a good performance, they will hopefully take a bit of confidence into the boro game next week.
cc_star Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 Man Utd have lost 2 of their 3 friendlies, with the losses being to teams that you have never heard of! Stop moaning and moan when you have reason to. Pre Seasons ARE friendly and are hardly competitive? It's more about 90 mins on the pitch... Staggering isn't it. What an absolute idiot the OP is Must be a muppet to make a thread like this. Indicates what our so called support is going to be like when we're up against it & can make the difference 21 out of 22 positions played for their whole matches, the whole 90mins, any idiot with half a braincell could see they were about fitness & sharpness And there's also been experimentation with formation. Sorry OP, but you're a tool! Why not just dream up a Pearson out!!! thread and be done with it? BTW. Leamington was part of Blythe's transfer deal, the preseason friendlies are Port Vale, York, Northampton with a showpiece tie against Monaco to round it off
davieG Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 I thought it was all about giving ex-managers, Adams and Worthington who've fallen down the leagues a bit of a lift.
Dan Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 Players are playing at half pace, pre-season results have been shown to mean absolutely nothing many a time. Fitness is the key.
Kitchandro Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 It's not just about fitness, but it certainly isn't about results. I think in terms of judging players you're looking at the ones who you're not sure about, especially new signings. You can have some sort of idea about their strengths and weaknesses and learning these as early as possible is important. In another way it's also just like another training session. Players should be trying to impress and get fit but the manager should be trying things out. If they don't work, fine, as long as he's learning things about his squad. Pre-season is also about gelling. This is not something they should have a problem with once the season starts.
indierich06 Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 Completely about fitness, nothing else. If I was manager and my players were busting a gut trying to hammer York City in a friendly, I'd be annoyed. All these games are is a step up from training matches, to give that extra little bit of a test to the players and to get them used to the match environment again after a bit of a break. Nothing like a competitive game for me and the results are absolutely meaningless, so why risk the players? Just get them fit and ready for when we actually need them. I swear, some people on here would moan if our first team lost a match in training. And before people start calling me a 'Pearsonite' or a 'Pearson bummer' - this is what I would expect of these games regardless of who is in charge. These are glorified training sessions, nothing more. Yes it would be nice to hammer some teams, but at the end of the day it just doesn't matter.
indierich06 Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 It's not just about fitness, but it certainly isn't about results. I think in terms of judging players you're looking at the ones who you're not sure about, especially new signings. You can have some sort of idea about their strengths and weaknesses and learning these as early as possible is important. In another way it's also just like another training session. Players should be trying to impress and get fit but the manager should be trying things out. If they don't work, fine, as long as he's learning things about his squad. Pre-season is also about gelling. This is not something they should have a problem with once the season starts. But what are you going to learn about players in an environment where neither team is taking things too seriously and are just interested in getting fitter and more sharp for competitive games? That's why trialists always look good in friendlies - they're out there busting a gut, playing for a contract, whereas to everyone else it's just a training session.
Kitchandro Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 But what are you going to learn about players in an environment where neither team is taking things too seriously and are just interested in getting fitter and more sharp for competitive games? That's why trialists always look good in friendlies - they're out there busting a gut, playing for a contract, whereas to everyone else it's just a training session. But you learn things about players in training surely? It might be his first proper look at his new signings, they should be trying to impress as soon as possible. You can get an idea of their positioning, skill on the ball, even things like vision and awareness. It's not the be all and end all but it's not purely about fitness either.
5waller5 Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 Fitness is one reason to have them .... probably not even the top one. The top one is to see if combinations of players work, a pair in the centre of midfield, a pair of centre halves, does this winger work with these front two ...... For me the biggest nail in gally's coffin was that NP chose him as a right back ... shows he's not bothered about seeing whether he works as part of that midfield combo .... more that the centre backs can cope with a different right back. There are more efficient ways to improve, analyse and monitor fitness than a friendly ..... there's no alternative to try out team combinations. Results still don't matter for either reason but performance does.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 Yeh lets win all our pre season games and then get relegated eh!
HoustonFox Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 But you learn things about players in training surely? It might be his first proper look at his new signings, they should be trying to impress as soon as possible. You can get an idea of their positioning, skill on the ball, even things like vision and awareness. It's not the be all and end all but it's not purely about fitness either. This. It's about the players learning to play together in a game environment and getting fitness up. Training doesn't often allow for 11 v 11 in a game situation and you certainly don't tackle or get physical in those sessions. Preseason allows for a modicum of game pressure - i.e. their is a result and outcome but it's also ok if you aren't 100% on. Playing a match is totally different than training with team mates. It allows for more focus as you aren't playing your mates and you don't know what the opposition will do and you must react and respond accordingly. There is value to preseason but it's more performance and fitness than results that's important as well as gelling.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 25 July 2013 Posted 25 July 2013 It's a bit about fitness and a bit about the result but obviously less important is the result Formations and fitness mainly
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