Wilshere Flak

[marko]

Pietersen's mother is English.

 

Trott has an English father, too.

[Guest Bilo]

Pietersen's mother is English.

 

Fair play then.

 

I would just like to add that a relaxing of the rules would only lead to what has essentially happened in club football; the big associations with the big bank balances would hoover up all of the talent by bringing them over to their country and pushing their citizenship, while the smaller associations would be left out in the cold.

 

If the next Lionel Messi is born in Angola, he should play for Angola and not Portugal.

[Kitchandro]

I think it's less to do with where you're born and more to do with what you sound like.

 

For example, don't try and tell me Kevin Pieterson English. I have never heard of an English accent like that. Same with Owen Hargreaves for that matter. Same with King making out he's Welsh.

 

Even though my mum's Italian if I went to Italy and made out I was Italian they'd just take the piss. My Uncle was born in Italy and both parents were Italian but his first language is English and he's considered English by himself and everyone in his family. If he played for Italy it would be a joke. Mainly because he's a 60 year old invalid and has almost zero interest in football but also because he's more English than Italian.

 

Most of the time that's how you can tell what country people identify with naturally. It's not as black and white as that, there are exceptions which are more complicated.

 

But certainly I don't think you can enter a country in your mid teens, barely use said country's language/accent and then claim you're from there when you're 20 odd just because you've lived there for a few years.

[Finnegan]

lol I'm sorry but if you're not joking, that's the biggest load of drivel I've ever heard.

Someone's cultural identity is unique to them and of all the criteria used to distinguish it, their accent is about the last that should ever be default.

Personally, mine changes. A fair few people I meet struggle to place me, I'd say I have a fairly universal British accent. Some things I say come out particularly Welsh, other occasions I'll drop a sentence in the dirtiest Leicester accent without even thinking about it.

Three years in London and I sounded immensely southern to my friends back here, a week in Wales with my family and I come back sounding like Adam Jones. We're hugely impressionable as people.

I know a couple of English lads who've been in Cardiff seven or eight years and you'd think they were "more Welsh" than me, they'd probably fill you in for that! Partly because living amongst the Welsh has developed their sense of English identity in the same way I'm probably infinitely more patriotic for having spent my teens surrounded by English people and riffing off their banter.

Similarly I used to work with an English lad from Durham with the thickest Belfast accent he'd developed over a few years there, almost deliberately as a defense mechanism!

Seriously, anyone that defines someone's nationality by their accent is just flat out thick.

[RobHawk]

lol I'm sorry but if you're not joking, that's the biggest load of drivel I've ever heard.

Someone's cultural identity is unique to them and of all the criteria used to distinguish it, their accent is about the last that should ever be default.

Personally, mine changes. A fair few people I meet struggle to place me, I'd say I have a fairly universal British accent. Some things I say come out particularly Welsh, other occasions I'll drop a sentence in the dirtiest Leicester accent without even thinking about it.

Three years in London and I sounded immensely southern to my friends back here, a week in Wales with my family and I come back sounding like Adam Jones. We're hugely impressionable as people.

I know a couple of English lads who've been in Cardiff seven or eight years and you'd think they were "more Welsh" than me, they'd probably fill you in for that! Partly because living amongst the Welsh has developed their sense of English identity in the same way I'm probably infinitely more patriotic for having spent my teens surrounded by English people and riffing off their banter.

Similarly I used to work with an English lad from Durham with the thickest Belfast accent he'd developed over a few years there, almost deliberately as a defense mechanism!

Seriously, anyone that defines someone's nationality by their accent is just flat out thick.

 

My sister, born and raised in leicestershire, went to leeds uni and came back with a brummie accent! Work that one out!

[indierich06]

It's just the way football is going. The people who are getting the hump about this are the same ones who don't seem to mind that their club hasn't got a single player from the town or city - sometimes even the country - they represent playing for them. It's a joke.  

[Manwell Pablo]

lol I'm sorry but if you're not joking, that's the biggest load of drivel I've ever heard.

Someone's cultural identity is unique to them and of all the criteria used to distinguish it, their accent is about the last that should ever be default.

Personally, mine changes. A fair few people I meet struggle to place me, I'd say I have a fairly universal British accent. Some things I say come out particularly Welsh, other occasions I'll drop a sentence in the dirtiest Leicester accent without even thinking about it.

Three years in London and I sounded immensely southern to my friends back here, a week in Wales with my family and I come back sounding like Adam Jones. We're hugely impressionable as people.

I know a couple of English lads who've been in Cardiff seven or eight years and you'd think they were "more Welsh" than me, they'd probably fill you in for that! Partly because living amongst the Welsh has developed their sense of English identity in the same way I'm probably infinitely more patriotic for having spent my teens surrounded by English people and riffing off their banter.

Similarly I used to work with an English lad from Durham with the thickest Belfast accent he'd developed over a few years there, almost deliberately as a defense mechanism!

Seriously, anyone that defines someone's nationality by their accent is just flat out thick.

 

 

Yeah he is quite right to say your national identity should have anything to do with your accent is ridiculous. 

 

Mind you he's probably only saying that as he sounds about as Welsh as Andy King does.

[21st Century Fox]

Christian Vieri, born in Bologna but has a ridiculously strong Aussie accent, you can hear it when he speaks Italian or English. I really don't think anyone gave a shit how he sounded.

[Kitchandro]

lol I'm sorry but if you're not joking, that's the biggest load of drivel I've ever heard.

Someone's cultural identity is unique to them and of all the criteria used to distinguish it, their accent is about the last that should ever be default.

Personally, mine changes. A fair few people I meet struggle to place me, I'd say I have a fairly universal British accent. Some things I say come out particularly Welsh, other occasions I'll drop a sentence in the dirtiest Leicester accent without even thinking about it.

Three years in London and I sounded immensely southern to my friends back here, a week in Wales with my family and I come back sounding like Adam Jones. We're hugely impressionable as people.

I know a couple of English lads who've been in Cardiff seven or eight years and you'd think they were "more Welsh" than me, they'd probably fill you in for that! Partly because living amongst the Welsh has developed their sense of English identity in the same way I'm probably infinitely more patriotic for having spent my teens surrounded by English people and riffing off their banter.

Similarly I used to work with an English lad from Durham with the thickest Belfast accent he'd developed over a few years there, almost deliberately as a defense mechanism!

Seriously, anyone that defines someone's nationality by their accent is just flat out thick.

 

You're always so abusive whenever you don't agree with someone. Christ you've got issues! Try and least come out with a definitive argument if you're going to be such a twat.

 

Accent and language is far more of an indicator than where the fvck you're born for Christ's sake, and a load of (some would say 'thick') people define it by where you're born.

 

So basically your opinion is if you've lived in a bunch of places you should be able to decide where you're from? Bollocks mate.

 

There has to be some kind of concrete reason as to why you say someone is from a certain country. No way is perfect and that's why there is often some ambiguity.

 

Some people never know their parents so why should that decipher what nationality you are? Also your mother could give birth to you when on holiday so where you're born isn't the be-all and end-all.

 

Everyone laughs off King being from Wales for example but how the fvck do you know how much time he's spent there? He might visit all the while, but the reason we say he's not Welsh is because you can tell he's not when you listen to him talk. If he had lived there for the first few years of his life would you consider him Welsh? Come off it.

 

Obviously in your dismissive arrogance you've ignored my very crucial example of my Uncle. He was born in Italy but he is not Italian. Don't even try to suggest he should play in Italy over England because it's ridiculous.

 

So 'ideally, birth' makes you sound plain thick to me. You've obviously not thought that one through. At least I've accepted that it isn't black and white, whereas you've completely dismissed my point when your idea of birth being an important factor makes a lot less sense.

 

You can view it how you like, it's your opinion but I won't accept someone saying they're English if English is their second language for example.

 

You're basically advocating people deciding where they're from.

[Guest MattP]

It's just the way football is going. The people who are getting the hump about this are the same ones who don't seem to mind that their club hasn't got a single player from the town or city - sometimes even the country - they represent playing for them. It's a joke.  

 

Bit different isn't it?

 

This a dangerous route to go down, players of high ability will be being tapped up and sought after in their early teams.

 

George Weah was a national hero in Liberia, George Best was in Northern Ireland, had they been born 50 years later I doubt either of them would have played for their home nation. Best would probably have played for England and Weah Italy .

 

That's what you will end up from this and it really isn't right.

 

Bilo sent me a great article last night about New Zealand, they basically have their pick and choice from all the pacific islands who are already trying to play catch up with them. In Rugby even if Samoa or Tonga produced the best 15 players in the World they would still be average as none of them would be representing them. The England cricket side have started to do with players like Boyd Rankin and Chris Jordon basically being stolen from two teams in Ireland and the Windies who simply can't afford to lose their young top players, if any game is going that way it won't end well.

[davieG]

It also flies in the face of FIFA's supposed aim of spreading the game to other countries like Qatar.

[Manwell Pablo]

You're always so abusive whenever you don't agree with someone. Christ you've got issues! Try and least come out with a definitive argument if you're going to be such a twat.

 

Accent and language is far more of an indicator than where the fvck you're born for Christ's sake, and a load of (some would say 'thick') people define it by where you're born.

 

So basically your opinion is if you've lived in a bunch of places you should be able to decide where you're from? Bollocks mate.

 

There has to be some kind of concrete reason as to why you say someone is from a certain country. No way is perfect and that's why there is often some ambiguity.

 

Some people never know their parents so why should that decipher what nationality you are? Also your mother could give birth to you when on holiday so where you're born isn't the be-all and end-all.

 

Everyone laughs off King being from Wales for example but how the fvck do you know how much time he's spent there? He might visit all the while, but the reason we say he's not Welsh is because you can tell he's not when you listen to him talk. If he had lived there for the first few years of his life would you consider him Welsh? Come off it.

 

Obviously in your dismissive arrogance you've ignored my very crucial example of my Uncle. He was born in Italy but he is not Italian. Don't even try to suggest he should play in Italy over England because it's ridiculous.

 

So 'ideally, birth' makes you sound plain thick to me. You've obviously not thought that one through. At least I've accepted that it isn't black and white, whereas you've completely dismissed my point when your idea of birth being an important factor makes a lot less sense.

 

You can view it how you like, it's your opinion but I won't accept someone saying they're English if English is their second language for example.

 

You're basically advocating people deciding where they're from.

 

 

I think how a person perceives their nationality to be much, much more important than what accent they have. As Finners has said you accent changes throughout life and if someone like Kevin Pitersen has a English mother, considers himself to be English, lives in England and plays for the English cricket team I think who on earth are you to tell him he's not because he's still got a South African twang in his accent, personally. 

[Guest MattP]

It also flies in the face of FIFA's supposed aim of spreading the game to other countries like Qatar.

 

Qatar will be buying up foreign players in 2016-2017 to create their team for the 2022 WC.

 

They have already started importing quite a few from Brazil.

[Finnegan]

Yeah he is quite right to say your national identity should have anything to do with your accent is ridiculous.

Mind you he's probably only saying that as he sounds about as Welsh as Andy King does.

When Kingy can belt out Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau as beautifully as me, let him step to.

Seriously, though, I'll keep citing examples if that's what's necessary. There's billions. I'm sorry if the most sensitive little man on the forum finds me unduly offensive but accent is not heritage. It's a temporary social reaction.

Language and culture? Now that's a different argument entirely.

[Fox92]

Wilshere isn't overrated. He holds the ball so well, and his close control is brilliant. The only thing he really lacks is pace.

[Manwell Pablo]

When Kingy can belt out Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau as beautifully as me, let him step to.

Seriously, though, I'll keep citing examples if that's what's necessary. There's billions. I'm sorry if the most sensitive little man on the forum finds me unduly offensive but accent is not heritage. It's a temporary social reaction.

Language and culture? Now that's a different argument entirely.

 

 

Oh I'm with you. If I moved to London and lived there for six months and came back to the midlands I can pretty much guarantee I'd come back sounding like Danny Dyer and it'd take some shifting, I'm impervious to picking any accent apart from that one which I seem to develop within a matter of hours in the company of cockney. Dunno what it is. 

[Pride_Of_The_Midlands]

Christian Vieri, born in Bologna but has a ridiculously strong Aussie accent, you can hear it when he speaks Italian or English. I really don't think anyone gave a shit how he sounded.

 

He is Australian then.

 

Accent is the biggest indicator of where someone is from.

 

Same with Giuseppe Rossi.

 

He's American.

[Finnegan]

Oh I'm with you. If I moved to London and lived there for six months and came back to the midlands I can pretty much guarantee I'd come back sounding like Danny Dyer and it'd take some shifting, I'm impervious to picking any accent apart from that one which I seem to develop within a matter of hours in the company of cockney. Dunno what it is.

I'm hugely impressionable with accents. After watching District 9 I was Seth Efrikan for days!

I have to really mind myself at work, too, we've got stacks of Irish here and I'll sit and babble away like Keith Wood for a good whole conversation before realizing they probably think I'm taking the piss.

I'm notorious amongst friends for doing it inebriated, too, it's my worst drunken tick. Maybe it's because I've moved so much and don't have too solid a regional accent, I don't know.

I know I'm not unique in this, though.

[Kitchandro]

When Kingy can belt out Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau as beautifully as me, let him step to.

Seriously, though, I'll keep citing examples if that's what's necessary. There's billions. I'm sorry if the most sensitive little man on the forum finds me unduly offensive but accent is not heritage. It's a temporary social reaction.

Language and culture? Now that's a different argument entirely.

 

Call me sensitive if you like, but if you spoke to people in real life how you speak to them on here you'd have had your jaw broken several times in the last few years.

 

Maybe it's time for you to grow up and talk to people with a bit of respect, instead of being cocky little bellend from behind your screen all the while.

[Uncle Albert]

Accent is the biggest indicator of where someone is from.

 

No it's not at all.

 

My Mum is Scottish, born in Scotland, Mother is Scottish but has no Scottish in her accent at all. So because she has a Leicestershire accent does that maker her English?

 

I can't believe people are still banging on about this subject if I'm honest.

[Kitchandro]

I think how a person perceives their nationality to be much, much more important than what accent they have. As Finners has said you accent changes throughout life and if someone like Kevin Pitersen has a English mother, considers himself to be English, lives in England and plays for the English cricket team I think who on earth are you to tell him he's not because he's still got a South African twang in his accent, personally. 

 

It is somewhat a matter of pinion, which is why Finners reaction is utterly hilarious.

 

Pieterson to me will never be considered English, in fact if he wasn't famous for playing cricket English for us, the suggestion he is would be absolutely ridiculous to most people.

No it's not at all.

 

My Mum is Scottish, born in Scotland, Mother is Scottish but has no Scottish in her accent at all. So because she has a Leicestershire accent does that maker her English?

 

I can't believe people are still banging on about this subject if I'm honest.

 

In my opinion, yes.

[Finnegan]

Call me sensitive if you like, but if you spoke to people in real life how you speak to them on here you'd have had your jaw broken several times in the last few years.

Maybe it's time for you to grow up and talk to people with a bit of respect, instead of being cocky little bellend from behind your screen all the while.

I work in a building depot, you big girl, I do talk to people like this every day. The difference between them and you is they don't take it personally and they give as good as they get without having a sniffle.

[Uncle Albert]

In my opinion, yes.

 

Well she is Scottish and to be fair to her she is proud she is Scottish (God knows why), simply because that's her place of birth and moved down here when she was around 5 years old.

 

Each to their own and what not, I just think your nationality is the Country you were born in. Without obvious exceptions..

[Finnegan]

Well she is Scottish and to be fair to her she is proud she is Scottish (God knows why), simply because that's her place of birth and moved down here when she was around 5 years old.

Each to their own and what not, I just think your nationality is the Country you were born in. Without obvious exceptions..

Kitchen's probably just bitter he got laffed at as a little un for calling himself Luigi and supporting Italy.

[Rocket-Ron]

lol I'm sorry but if you're not joking, that's the biggest load of drivel I've ever heard.

Someone's cultural identity is unique to them and of all the criteria used to distinguish it, their accent is about the last that should ever be default.

Personally, mine changes. A fair few people I meet struggle to place me, I'd say I have a fairly universal British accent. Some things I say come out particularly Welsh, other occasions I'll drop a sentence in the dirtiest Leicester accent without even thinking about it.

Three years in London and I sounded immensely southern to my friends back here, a week in Wales with my family and I come back sounding like Adam Jones. We're hugely impressionable as people.

I know a couple of English lads who've been in Cardiff seven or eight years and you'd think they were "more Welsh" than me, they'd probably fill you in for that! Partly because living amongst the Welsh has developed their sense of English identity in the same way I'm probably infinitely more patriotic for having spent my teens surrounded by English people and riffing off their banter.

Similarly I used to work with an English lad from Durham with the thickest Belfast accent he'd developed over a few years there, almost deliberately as a defense mechanism!

Seriously, anyone that defines someone's nationality by their accent is just flat out thick.

I so wish you'd have said ALED instead