Haydos Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 We'll need to play with a 3 man midfield next season at times so I can see him being of use. If we bring in a first team CM though he'll find himself on the bench again. A very good player but he hasn't grown into a rounded one in the last few years and I get the feeling it would probably be best for him if he left to find first team football.
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 How can people suggest that King is 'better suited to the Premiership than the Championship'? Smacks of people trying to look as though they are 'tactically astute' to me. The premiership is a far better league than the championship. Faster, more physical, higher skill levels, more pressure, more technical. To suggest any player isn't up to it in the championship but would be in a higher league is ridiculous. For the record, I don't really see how we can say King or any of the other squad members will be able to cut it in the premiership. We've just got to wait and see. As usual.. spot on. Why I think people will make an argument for King is because they like him and his attitude. Well so do I. That doesn't mean I have to argue that he'll cut it in the Premiership though. I agree with those who suggest that we will need another quality central midfielder. I think we will too. Drinky and James might be ok. A third one of quality will be needed.
indierich06 Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 I commend your loyalty to King. He's a top lad and a credit to the club. However, why do you think that a midfielder who isn't good enough to cement a place in a Championship team is going to do well in the Premiership? IMO if King was as good as you say, he'd be first choice NOW. He isn't at present because James and Drinkwater are better. I don't think that Drinky and James are necessarily much better than Kingy, but they do have a much better understanding - which has been key to our success IMO.
Guest ttfn Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 I commend your loyalty to King. He's a top lad and a credit to the club. However, why do you think that a midfielder who isn't good enough to cement a place in a Championship team is going to do well in the Premiership? IMO if King was as good as you say, he'd be first choice NOW. He isn't at present because James and Drinkwater are better. What?! Colin, this is absolute horse shit. We're 8 points clear at the top for Christ's sake. If Yaya Toure and Fernandinho were our first choice central midfielders, would he get in the side? Would James and Drinkwater? Of course they wouldn't. Just because King isn't getting in ahead of two very good other players, it doesn't mean he's automatically not good enough for the Premier League. It just means that James and Drinkwater are currently forming a very effective partnership, just as James and King did at the end of last season and Drinkwater and King did at the start of this season. For the record, this season King has played in 21 league matches for us this season, from which we have accrued 47 points, at an average of 2.24 ppg. This compares to our season average of 2.22 ppg. You're entitled to your opinion but your logic is absolutely bat shit mental. We get it, you don't like King in the side. You've made that perfectly clear, claiming here, there and everywhere that we get "overrun" with him in the team when that is evidently not true. King has become something of the forgotten man at the club which is a crying shame for somebody with over 250 appearances for the club. At the moment he is rightly 3rd choice because James and Drinkwater are playing so well that we're 8 points clear. It doesn't mean that he's not one of the leading midfielders in the Championship and it doesn't mean he's not good enough for the Premier League. I don't think that Drinky and James are necessarily much better than Kingy, but they do have a much better understanding - which has been key to our success IMO. Again, I would query this as well given that we're just as successful with King in the side as without. James and King had an excellent little partnership at the end of last season.
Callabinho Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 Nah he's alright, he's fully aware he couldn't sniff the sweat from around James and Drinky's bollocks.
deep blue Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 King i sbetter suited to the technicality of the prem then the rough physical championship, him drinks james and a big enforcer ala livermore/huddlestone type signing and we're set for the prem, 3 man midfield and more time on the ball= more effective king I think there is something to this argument. I also believe that King is the most clinical & accomplished finisher in our squad. This is very important in the Prem; attackers are generally more clinical the higher you go, and the difference between established Prem teams and newly-promoted teams is often shown more starkly in how good attackers are in converting their chances than in any other aspect of play. If he can be used in a forward-going role I think King could have a part to play yet.
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 What?! Colin, this is absolute horse shit. We're 8 points clear at the top for Christ's sake. If Yaya Toure and Fernandinho were our first choice central midfielders, would he get in the side? Would James and Drinkwater? Of course they wouldn't. Just because King isn't getting in ahead of two very good other players, it doesn't mean he's automatically not good enough for the Premier League. It just means that James and Drinkwater are currently forming a very effective partnership, just as James and King did at the end of last season and Drinkwater and King did at the start of this season. For the record, this season King has played in 21 league matches for us this season, from which we have accrued 47 points, at an average of 2.24 ppg. This compares to our season average of 2.22 ppg. You're entitled to your opinion but your logic is absolutely bat shit mental. We get it, you don't like King in the side. You've made that perfectly clear, claiming here, there and everywhere that we get "overrun" with him in the team when that is evidently not true. King has become something of the forgotten man at the club which is a crying shame for somebody with over 250 appearances for the club. At the moment he is rightly 3rd choice because James and Drinkwater are playing so well that we're 8 points clear. It doesn't mean that he's not one of the leading midfielders in the Championship and it doesn't mean he's not good enough for the Premier League. Again, I would query this as well given that we're just as successful with King in the side as without. James and King had an excellent little partnership at the end of last season. Another very pleasant post. Yes that's what I think. So do many others. If that's ok with you?
Guest ttfn Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 Another very pleasant post. Yes that's what I think. So do many others. If that's ok with you? As I said you're entitled to your opinion. Your logic is mental.
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 As I said you're entitled to your opinion. Your logic is mental. I won't abuse you buddy. You make some good posts in the main. I believe that King would certainly struggle in the Prem and that we would need better strength in depth.
Guest ttfn Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 I won't abuse you buddy. You make some good posts in the main. I believe that King would certainly struggle in the Prem and that we would need better strength in depth. You don't have to abuse me, just provide some facts or weight behind your opinion. Sorry if I offended you but your post was unbelievably weak. Normally you've got something to substantiate your view but I think in the case of King you've made your mind up and are unwilling to look at the facts.
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 You don't have to abuse me, just provide some facts or weight behind your opinion. Sorry if I offended you but your post was unbelievably weak. Normally you've got something to substantiate your view but I think in the case of King you've made your mind up and are unwilling to look at the facts. No mate, having watched King for many season's I think he'd struggle in the Prem. I've often said why so won't go back over old ground. I also said I think we need at least one other central midfielder of real quality to compliment James and Drinky. Finally, I've said that dropping King this season to develop the James/Drinkwater partnership has been Pearson's best managerial decision. I think its made a huge difference.
Guest ttfn Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 Finally, I've said that dropping King this season to develop the James/Drinkwater partnership has been Pearson's best managerial decision. I think its made a huge difference. But it hasn't made a huge difference. We average more points in games which King plays than ones in which he doesn't.
FoxInTheBox89 Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 I like King. Still young too. Could progess and the passion he has for leicester may help in certain situations on the pitch
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 But it hasn't made a huge difference. We average more points in games which King plays than ones in which he doesn't. If this is so, why do you think Nige hasn't played him for many many weeks in the Championship?
Guest ttfn Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 If this is so, why do you think Nige hasn't played him for many many weeks in the Championship? Because James and Drinkwater are currently forming an outstanding central midfield partnership and we're thriving in a 4-4-2. 3 into 2 doesn't go. On current form neither deserves to be dropped.
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 Because James and Drinkwater are currently forming an outstanding central midfield partnership and we're thriving in a 4-4-2. 3 into 2 doesn't go. On current form neither deserves to be dropped. Even though we average more points with King in the team?
Guest ttfn Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 Even though we average more points with King in the team? Yeah over the season. At the moment James and Drinkwater are the men. It's not always been that way, not even this season. Players' form fluctuates - at the moment James and Drinkwater are fantastic.
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 Yeah over the season. At the moment James and Drinkwater are the men. It's not always been that way, not even this season. Players' form fluctuates - at the moment James and Drinkwater are fantastic. No probs. We differ on our opinion of King's overall ability. I've never said I don't rate him, just not as highly as some do. And it's good to be civil.
danny. Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 He's only just bought a new flat - so it wouldn't make much sense if he was off soon.
dmayne7 Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 1. Pearson's words shortly after he took over from Sven were 'we're asking Andy King to play a more defensive role now'. He was the attacking edge of the diamond under Sven in early 11-12, and had been an attacking midfielder in a five man midfield the season before that, but if you've seen him play in the past two seasons you'll be well aware that he sits deeper than his midfield partner and builds from deep. And it's not as if he's a box-to-box midfielder so, yes, I'd say he has been utilised principally as a defensive midfielder for most of the past three seasons. 2. 'He doesn't pull out of tackles'. You clearly don't remember the play-off semis last year, when he allowed his man to breeze past him in the dying seconds. His reluctance to tackle, which had already manifested itself countless times over the years, helped seal the end of our promotion challenge. If you haven't spotted that side of his game then you really can't have been paying much attention. 3. It's 'ludicrous' to question the 'mental' or 'tactical' side of his game, is it? So, according to you and a few of the others on this thread, he's one of the best ten midfielders in the division, a 'clever' tackler, excellent tactically, super-intelligent, a great passer of the ball and is more likely to be our first choice midfielder next season than Drinkwater... If all this is true, then what IS his problem? Why isn't he playing in the Premier League, let alone our midfield? The problem with this argument - and I can see that some people are desperate, to a cringeworthy extent, for the lad to become a Leicester legend - is that there are, quite clearly, some very fundamental flaws to his game. He's 25 and, as far as we know, has been relatively overlooked by Premier League scouts. He's out of our team and we're playing better for it. He's been dropped in the past by Pearson, and even by Sven (under whom some would say he played his best football). He does not appear to have developed as a player, can become anonymous for games on end, and our midfield is more easily bullied with him at the heart of it AND we appear to allow sides the opportunity to shoot more from distance (he is very slow, compared to the likes of James, at closing down). Yes he's a good Championship midfielder, yes he's a useful member of our squad right now, but if we are to be successful next season it will be without King at the heart of our midfield. David Nugent plays deeper this season but he's not playing in midfield is he? You've answered that yourself; he was an attacking midfielder, then he dropped into a more conventional central midfield role. A favourite of mine. Let's ignore the fact that he was on the edge of the area and probably the first player to get back and got done on the wing by a player who had more pace than him. It was hardly like the guy was running straight into him. No arguments that it was a tired tackle but at least he bothered to get back unlike some. Well, he's not very quick, he's not that strong (although not as weak as some make out), he's quite one footed and he possibly keeps things too simple at times because he's got the technical ability to pull off some magic. He certainly has limitations and at the moment, there are 2 others in better form than him who deserve to wear the shirt. He's not in our team because we freshened it up with a midfield pairing that have played together from a young age so have a great understanding not to mention that they have both been excellent. You do realise that sometimes in football, its possible for good players to be out of the side. There were enquiries in the past from Villa and Everton and I know that both Palace and Cardiff made contact at the start of the season. Oh and you mention that he's been dropped, yet, he's always got his way back into the team and even captained the side. I personally think its been his worst season with us yet he'd still get into any other midfield in the league. Amazing that you're allow to say for definite that we can't be successful with him in the side but yet others are not allowed to suggest the possibility that he may be important next year. Are you a clairvoyant then? You might as well sign out and get down to the bookies because you could make yourself very rich with that skill!
Munshi Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 Love Kingy, loyal to us and always gives it his all. Besides, where else are we going to get these beauties.
iamafox Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 Don't see a reason to sell him, he's more than a good enough back-up player. King is always capable of scoring a goal, even though he can sometimes be 'non-existent' on the pitch. The goal he scored at Blackpool was quality.
LC/FC Posted 26 February 2014 Posted 26 February 2014 As I've stated before, whether ultimately Andy King is good enough for the Premiership is up to Andy King because none of us know what will happened until it happens. Not one of us could have predicted DD and James flourishing after last seasons abject form. And if they were already thst good initially, how come other Prem clubs didn't come in for these 2 utd youth graduates? Vardy who some of us are now claiming for England (steady on) came in from non league to almost touching the premiership, jump of many divisions and tiers and players and clubs. Why did no one bother buying him for the last 10 years if he's so good he's the best championship striker this year? From non league waist of money to nailed on starting 11 within 2 years. No one could have predicted that... bar Nige, Shakes and Walshy. So as much as people have points of view and opinions, all of them mean nothing but conjecture until we try. Then we shall see if he's good enough, when he's been given a chance to actually perform and comete and not just get ousted by some silly fans who reckon we always need the best and newest shiney idol that comes with a big price tag. We're not Man City, Real or Barca and our spending days went with Sven. So I will admit now, I have absolutely zero idea if Andy King will be good enough for the Premiership or not come the start of next season. But I'm looking forward to finding out, if he has the desire and application to be good enough for the Prem then he'll have shut all of us up.
Oxfordfox83 Posted 27 February 2014 Posted 27 February 2014 How can people suggest that King is 'better suited to the Premiership than the Championship'? Smacks of people trying to look as though they are 'tactically astute' to me. The premiership is a far better league than the championship. Faster, more physical, higher skill levels, more pressure, more technical. To suggest any player isn't up to it in the championship but would be in a higher league is ridiculous. For the record, I don't really see how we can say King or any of the other squad members will be able to cut it in the premiership. We've just got to wait and see. Just for the record, as I posted that I thought he might get more game time: It's not my view that any player will find the Premier League easier to play in than the Championship. That's daft, as you rightly say. However, we may well end up playing a different system next year, and that might suit him. He's a good player, strikes the ball well and picks clever passes. He's not going to be signing for Man City, but I can well imagine him being a good player at the fringe of our squad, assuming we go up. There is definitely sentiment involved in that I'd like to see him do well, but I also think he's a plausible contributer next year in a stronger league.
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