Guest MattP Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 Despite the continued denials over the last ten years I think a day we all deep down knew eventually we would see. Sharia Style Islamic Law will now be used to settle some aspects of the British legal system. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10716844/Islamic-law-is-adopted-by-British-legal-chiefs.html What opinions then? It seems to have really divided the lawyers of the nation so only god knows (get it?) what the common man on the street should think of it. I think it's a dangerous road to go down, a country having separate legal systems for different people on the basis of religion can never bode well for what should be a supposedly equal society. Could be good for us blokes though who want to get married and have earnt a few quid, would avoid the big play offs you often hear about that the women clearly don't deserve a lot of the time, it will be very interesting how this stands up in the European Court of Human Rights when someone inevitably challenges the fact they can't have one rule for some and one for another.
Captain... Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 Does anyone know how wills are currently drafted? Can you exclude your wife and or kids from inheritance currently for whatever reason? I always thought you could do what you want with your money when you die. Or is this in the case where a formal will hasn't been written, and a muslim dies it is to be drafted in accordance with Sharia law?
Rincewind Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 My mum changed hers. Mainly because my step-dad is in a care home and is not able to handle any money left to him. He will still have the care provided. I have already some of my share when i became unemployed but not bothered. Don't like the he thought of gaining because of a relatives death.
Thracian Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 This is indeed a potentially dangerous and ill-considered precedent although it should be recognised that Sharia law has been applied by Sharia courts in England for a long time, just as Jewish law has been applied by Jewish courts mostly, but not exclusively, in relation to domestic matters, at least so we've been lead to believe. However, the hypocrisy of British legal representatives' involvement is beyond belief especially given that our nation's laws supposedly champions equal rights for everyone, not a penal system for so-called "non-believers" in certain circumstances. Why, given the above, shouldn't we all draw up our own legal system and demand the right to apply it? Or do rights now depend on the strength of support on the issue? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1578119/Sharia-law-already-enforced-in-10-courts.html http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Britain-s-sharia-court/story-12045224-detail/story.html
Guest MattP Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 Does anyone know how wills are currently drafted? Can you exclude your wife and or kids from inheritance currently for whatever reason? I always thought you could do what you want with your money when you die. Or is this in the case where a formal will hasn't been written, and a muslim dies it is to be drafted in accordance with Sharia law? I'm unsure on the difference between the rules on a "pre nup" and the rules from a marriage that has already existed to be honest, sure someone else will know the answer. I actually like some aspects of Sharia Law, it isn't all stoning women to death and chopping hands off, when it comes to morality we could probably take a few lessons from it when it comes to some Western "beliefs" now that have been happily accepted to the detriment of society. I'd happily see the removal of gay pride events and such from public town centre life. Stuff like this from the link Thracian posted is worrying though. In 2006 an Islamic Council sitting in Woolwich, south-east London, heard the case of the Somali gang, who had been accused of stabbing another Somali teenager and were reportedly arrested by the police. Aydarus Yusuf, a youth worker, told Radio 4's Law in Action programme that the suspects were released on bail after the victim's family said the matter would be dealt with by the Islamic community. "All their uncles and fathers were there," said Mr Yusuf. "So they all put something towards that and apologised for the wrongdoing." The Metropolitan Police said it was unaware of the case, but admitted that officers sometimes did not proceed with assault cases if the victim decided not to press charges. That is a dangerous road to go down.
Captain... Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 This is indeed a potentially dangerous and ill-considered precedent although it should be recognised that Sharia law has been applied by Sharia courts in England for a long time, just as Jewish law has been applied by Jewish courts mostly, but not exclusively, in relation to domestic matters, at least so we've been lead to believe. However, the hypocrisy of British legal representatives' involvement is beyond belief especially given that our nation's laws supposedly champions equal rights for everyone, not a penal system for so-called "non-believers" in certain circumstances. Why, given the above, shouldn't we all draw up our own legal system and demand the right to apply it? Or do rights now depend on the strength of support on the issue? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1578119/Sharia-law-already-enforced-in-10-courts.html http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Britain-s-sharia-court/story-12045224-detail/story.html Arbitration has always been a part of our legal system, whether it is Jewish, Muslim or just 2 parties trying to find a settlement in a civil case, and I have no problem with that as long as those rulings are excepted by both parties and nobody is legally bound to accept the decision and they can be brought before a legal judge if no acceptable decision is reached. They have no right to be involved in a criminal case. Writing it into laws around last will and testament does sound worrying, but I am still uncertain as to the changes, if a muslim, or anyone, has the power to write someone out of their will, even if their spouses or offspring, then I have no real issue with the changes, as long as at some point the person has requested it is drafted in accordance with their beliefs. If however British law states that any legal spouse is entitled to half the estate of the deceased and that cannot be changed despite the wishes of the deceased, then the laws of the land shouldn't be changed for religious reasons.
The Doctor Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 Does anyone know how wills are currently drafted? Can you exclude your wife and or kids from inheritance currently for whatever reason? I always thought you could do what you want with your money when you die. Or is this in the case where a formal will hasn't been written, and a muslim dies it is to be drafted in accordance with Sharia law? You can leave whatever you own to anyone in a will - usually when the widow gets a fair chunk of the estate it's because the estate is actually theirs as much as it was the deceased (shared bank accounts etc.), and this is still the case - all that's actually been done is guidance for solicitors who have muslim clients wishing to draft up an islam-compliant will; nothing has actually changed as far as the law goes. It's not enshrining Sharia law, it's solicitors guidance for those who have clients wanting a will drafted in accordance to islamic law.
Parafox Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 This effectively makes it legal to discriminate against women who may be British born but are Mulsims. You can bet that it won't stop with the wills. What about other religious/ethnic beliefs and laws that are currently not supported in British law? Now that a legal precedent has been set It's likely to expand to other groups and be divisive and discriminatory for more than just the Mulsim women.
MooseBreath Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 Blimey, some of that sounds proper third world. We're gonna need a bigger carpet.
Jon the Hat Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 There is no legal precedent set. These are guidelines on how to draft a will to be in line with the wishes of Islamic clients. The seperate question of whether it is morally right is moot.
Zingari Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 I thought it was the lefties who got the blame and allowed all this to happen when they were in power .
Jon the Hat Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 I thought it was the lefties who got the blame and allowed all this to happen when they were in power . The Lefties are in power in the Judiciary. And for that matter most of the media, the arts and the public sector in general below a political level.
Matthew estevez Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 Mind boggles how this wasn't completely laughed at and ridiculed for being a misogynistic concept that should have no place in a secular common law society I'd like to think we could keep things secular in the UK, step backwards in a society moving forwards as larger proportion of people declare themselves of no religious affiliation (even jedi).
Zingari Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 The Lefties are in power in the Judiciary. And for that matter most of the media, the arts and the public sector in general below a political level. yeah right , of course they are .it's a big leftie conspiracy ain't it ?
purpleronnie Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 yeah right , of course they are .it's a big leftie conspiracy ain't it ? You would know all about that.
Zingari Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 So these lefties have infiltrated all the media , arts , quangos , public sector , legal departments and this uncontrollable cancer is just growing from within ? wow that's a good un
Jon the Hat Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 So these lefties have infiltrated all the media , arts , quangos , public sector , legal departments and this uncontrollable cancer is just growing from within ? wow that's a good un Its true. Bastards.
Alf Bentley Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 So these lefties have infiltrated all the media , arts , quangos , public sector , legal departments and this uncontrollable cancer is just growing from within ? wow that's a good un Attila the Stockbroker has analysed this problem of the country being dominated by lefties and foreigners.... Must get off to the match now, but I go with a laugh in my heart!
Rincewind Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 I am sure this will not affect the majority of the British. There will not be any punishments of hands being cut off or women whipped. It will just mean that Muslims will have the right to have muslim judges, lawyers and have muslim jurors. The major laws of this country will still apply. Still this takes peoples minds off other issues.
Webbo Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 I am sure this will not affect the majority of the British. There will not be any punishments of hands being cut off or women whipped. It will just mean that Muslims will have the right to have muslim judges, lawyers and have muslim jurors. The major laws of this country will still apply. Still this takes peoples minds off other issues. Muslim Judges and muslim jurors for drawing up wills? Have you even read the article?
Rincewind Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 No and I apologise if I misunderstood the topic but it was Sharia Law to be adopted by British legal chiefswhich I assumed was all law and not just marriage.
Webbo Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 No and I apologise if I misunderstood the topic but it wasSharia Law to be adopted by British legal chiefswhich I assumed was all law and not just marriage. As long as it takes your mind off other issues.
MooseBreath Posted 25 March 2014 Posted 25 March 2014 No and I apologise if I misunderstood the topic but it was Sharia Law to be adopted by British legal chiefs which I assumed was all law and not just marriage. So just to be clear if it WAS all of sharia law you'd be fine with it as long as no hands were chopped off or women whipped?
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