UKIP or BNP? (Quiz)

[Guest MattP]

What will we do with the millions of British people who currently live in Europe when they all get sent back?

 

 

And you accuse Farage of scaremongering , no one would be 'sent back' were the freedom of movement policy be removed,  there were millions of Britons abroad before the EU and still will be if it disrupted.

 

Do you really there was no huge British expat community in Spain before this project came along, if you going to argue policy against the EU do it on facts and not on fiction.

[Sir Fynwy]

And you accuse Farage of scaremongering , no one would be 'sent back' were the freedom of movement policy be removed, there were millions of Britons abroad before the EU and still will be if it disrupted.

Do you really there was no huge British expat community in Spain before this project came along, if you going to argue policy against the EU do it on facts and not on fiction.

I didn't accuse Farage of being anything but a bankster twat, how can anyone say how the EU would react to a total withdrawal of the UK from the EU? sending back our expensive pensioners and criminals is quite likely.

[Jon the Hat]

I didn't accuse Farage of being anything but a bankster twat, how can anyone say how the EU would react to a total withdrawal of the UK from the EU? sending back our expensive pensioners and criminals is quite likely.

 

France already cut benefits to pensioners who moved their once retired.  You have to have paid income tax to qualify for a lot of things these days.

[Sir Fynwy]

France already cut benefits to pensioners who moved their once retired. You have to have paid income tax to qualify for a lot of things these days.

Which means they come back with little or no income after retirement and load costs onto the UK whilst we chuck out productive immigrants who want to work. It all leads to a massive collapse in the UKs already diabolical productivity.

[Guest MattP]

I didn't accuse Farage of being anything but a bankster twat, how can anyone say how the EU would react to a total withdrawal of the UK from the EU? sending back our expensive pensioners and criminals is quite likely.

 

Banking twats, condem, austerity doesn't work.

 

Are you trying to beat the World record for number of Labour party soundbites and left wing cliches by one poster on here?

[Sir Fynwy]

Banking twats, condem, austerity doesn't work.

Are you trying to beat the World record for number of Labour party soundbites and left wing cliches by one poster on here?

No just looking for a decent argument but not finding one

[Finnegan]

Banking twats, condem, austerity doesn't work.

Are you trying to beat the World record for number of Labour party soundbites and left wing cliches by one poster on here?

Clearly you've never read much l444ry or Ultra.

[bovril]

The whole tiresome charade just shows how thick and out of touch most politicians and journalists are. It doesn't take a fvcking genius to see that Farage is made of teflon and any accusations of racism just makes UKIP more popular. I reckon I could debate better than most of the wet farts that pass for our law makers. The only one who has gone up (a tiny bit) in my estimation is Clegg.

Roll on next week when (hopefully) I can open an online newspaper without feeling like I've ordered the UKIP review.

[lgfualol]

Roll on next week when (hopefully) I can open an online newspaper without feeling like I've ordered the UKIP review.

Yup, I feel the same.

UKip must be loving it.

[dsr-burnley]

I didn't accuse Farage of being anything but a bankster twat, how can anyone say how the EU would react to a total withdrawal of the UK from the EU? sending back our expensive pensioners and criminals is quite likely.

UK subjects who retire abroad still get a UK pension, so it wouldn't cost that much more if they came back.  Though I really don't see countries like Spain telling relatively rich people with a guaranteed income to leave - why would they?  It's like having a tourist there for 52 weeks instead of 1 or 2.

 

They already send back prisoners under mutual agreements - most British subjects in a foreign jail can opt to come back to the UK anyway.

[Sir Fynwy]

UK subjects who retire abroad still get a UK pension, so it wouldn't cost that much more if they came back. Though I really don't see countries like Spain telling relatively rich people with a guaranteed income to leave - why would they? It's like having a tourist there for 52 weeks instead of 1 or 2.

They already send back prisoners under mutual agreements - most British subjects in a foreign jail can opt to come back to the UK anyway.

You honestly expect that if the UK unilateral removed the rights of EU citizens to live in the UK there wouldn't be a reaction?

I'm not talking about criminals in prison.

[Strokes]

You honestly expect that if the UK unilateral removed the rights of EU citizens to live in the UK there wouldn't be a reaction?

I'm not talking about criminals in prison.

What reaction are you talking about? Try and be more specific. First you claim we will send productive migrants back and now what, countries will send us back pensioners that we already pay for back?

[Hirsty The Blue 94]

This is not an election for control of the UK, its the European elections, most of the people that vote for UKIP, will revert in 2015. Ukip will produce a manifesto for the general, we can scrutinise and ridicule then.

Exactly, but the average voter who votes UKIP won't differentiate the two.

 

I believe UKIP will prove to be a flash in the pan, bore out of shear disillusionment with politics as a whole. This time next year when the general elections come around, and they have to produce detailed policies relating to things other than immigration and the EU I hope the UKIP voters in the European & Local Council elections due sheer anger with politics will be swayed back.

[Strokes]

Exactly, but the average voter who votes UKIP won't differentiate the two.

I believe UKIP will prove to be a flash in the pan, bore out of shear disillusionment with politics as a whole. This time next year when the general elections come around, and they have to produce detailed policies relating to things other than immigration and the EU I hope the UKIP voters in the European & Local Council elections due sheer anger with politics will be swayed back.

I dont think they are a flash in the pan, they are here because people are fed up of being told what to think. They wont disappear until that changes. People will less likely risk their vote on them in the GE.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Time to get out of Europe, and stop pandering to the Germans and French.

 

We put more money in and take less out than any other country. and get bossed around. Time to stop the rot, and the humiliation, of being giant sized mugs, pissed on, left, right and centre.

[Guest MattP]

Exactly, but the average voter who votes UKIP won't differentiate the two.

If you think UKIP voters are thick you want to see the council estate generations that keep on voting Labour.

[Rincewind]

If you think UKIP voters are thick you want to see the council estate generations that keep on voting Labour.

Why do they vote Labour? Could it be because the only ones that do not regard them as thick or worth nothing are labour candidates who may have grown up on council estates and not on a country estate and therefore have empathy for them.

[Guest MattP]

Why do they vote Labour? Could it be because the only ones that do not regard them as thick or worth nothing are labour candidates who may have grown up on council estates and not on a country estate and therefore have empathy for them.

Labour politicians brought up on council estates?

You're living in a different world Ken, the Labour front bench has more millionaires and career politicians than the Tories.

[Rincewind]

Labour politicians brought up on council estates?

You're living in a different world Ken, the Labour front bench has more millionaires and career politicians than the Tories.

Maybe  but it never used to be. Do you understand my meaning though? I still think they are more likely to relate to them ATM.

[Guest MattP]

I'd say it's more down to tribal loyalty than understanding.

[Alf Bentley]

Time to get out of Europe, and stop pandering to the Germans and French.

 

We put more money in and take less out than any other country. and get bossed around. Time to stop the rot, and the humiliation, of being giant sized mugs, pissed on, left, right and centre.

 

Fact check: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_the_European_Union#Net_contributors_and_recipients

 

Figures date from 2009, but I can't easily find any more recent ones - if you have figures showing that the situation has changed dramatically in the last 5 years, please go ahead and post them, DT.

 

The 2009 figures cited here show that on a net basis (money put in minus money taken out), Germany contributed more than twice as much as us and we came 4th, also behind France and Italy (not unreasonable, as one of the largest economies, with above average per capita income). In net contributions per person, we paid in less than Denmark, Finland, Germany, Italy, France and Holland.

 

Here's a Wiki excerpt:

"As a proportion of GDP, net contributors pay from 0.09 percent (Ireland) to 0.53 percent (Denmark), and net recipients receive from 0.04 percent (Spain) to 5.33 percent (Lithuania).

• The four largest net recipients in absolute terms are Poland, Greece, Hungary, Portugal.
• The four largest net recipients in per capita terms are Luxembourg, Lithuania, Estonia, Greece
• The four largest net recipients as a proportion of GDP are Lithuania, Estonia, Luxembourg, Hungary.
• The four largest net contributors in absolute terms are Germany, France, Italy, UK
• The four largest net contributors in per capita terms are Denmark, Finland, Germany, Italy.
• The four largest net contributors as a proportion of GDP are Denmark, Italy, Germany, Finland."