Babylon Posted 9 August 2014 Posted 9 August 2014 Mentioned it in the match thread, but I'm pretty sure we were using zonal marking second half at set pieces (not sure if it was the same first half as it was the other end to me). From a quick glance it seemed like Mahrez on the back past, RDL in front of the near post, Liam and Was about 6/8 yards out then a bank of three about level with the penno spot. With the others picking people up. Liam and Was were really on their toes and seemed to be really attacking the ball, rather than marking anyone.
StanSP Posted 9 August 2014 Posted 9 August 2014 Think Shakey or Pearson (someone!) mentioned they've been heavily working on set-pieces since the poor showing at Preston so maybe this was it today.
General Smuts Posted 9 August 2014 Posted 9 August 2014 Something needed to change. Zonal always worries me as it's much easier to attack from in between the gaps but if it works better for us I'm all for it.
Babylon Posted 9 August 2014 Author Posted 9 August 2014 Something needed to change. Zonal always worries me as it's much easier to attack from in between the gaps but if it works better for us I'm all for it.We couldn't be much worse really, so it's worth a shot!
Stadt Posted 9 August 2014 Posted 9 August 2014 As an aside the website Zonal Marking is a good read if like me, you're a tactics nerd.
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 9 August 2014 Posted 9 August 2014 Dont care how we defend them as long as we do. Usually look so poor from them
AKCJ Posted 9 August 2014 Posted 9 August 2014 Zonal marking when done right is much better than man marking. However it's harder to pull off and makes you look daft when you get it wrong.
fleckneymike Posted 9 August 2014 Posted 9 August 2014 You don't tend to have men on the line when defending zonally so from your description I'm not sure we were/are.
Raw Dykes Posted 9 August 2014 Posted 9 August 2014 It does seem odd that we've been poor at set pieces for a while. It was our biggest strength last time we were in the PL, but then we are much better from open play now. Swings and roundabouts.
Guest seanfox778 Posted 10 August 2014 Posted 10 August 2014 Zonal marking worries me, I think it's easier to switch off and it makes everything more chaotic in the box.
red5 Posted 10 August 2014 Posted 10 August 2014 Zonal marking=watch the ball and blame everyone else when they score.
Babylon Posted 10 August 2014 Author Posted 10 August 2014 You don't tend to have men on the line when defending zonally so from your description I'm not sure we were/are. A quick google and I've find multiple explanations of zonal marking that include a man near post and a man on the post, or even both posts. I only really got two quick looks at it, but there seemed to be 5/6/7 players definitely not tracking a man. They were all on their toes and only attacking the area in front of where they were. It was very structured, you could see their layout, not the usually running around, chasing their man, bunches of players etc.
fleckneymike Posted 10 August 2014 Posted 10 August 2014 A quick google and I've find multiple explanations of zonal marking that include a man near post and a man on the post, or even both posts. I only really got two quick looks at it, but there seemed to be 5/6/7 players definitely not tracking a man. They were all on their toes and only attacking the area in front of where they were. It was very structured, you could see their layout, not the usually running around, chasing their man, bunches of players etc. 'Proper' zonal doesn't have men on the posts, some clubs attempt a mixed system (basically British ones who love haveing men stood on posts) and those will employ two men to stand on posts. As I said I wasn't there but what you describe doesn't sound like a full zonal system. A simpler explanation might be that as it was a friendly with lots of personnel changes players weren't given specific players/numbers to mark as it would've been impossible because of the high turnover of players.
Babylon Posted 10 August 2014 Author Posted 10 August 2014 'Proper' zonal doesn't have men on the posts, some clubs attempt a mixed system (basically British ones who love haveing men stood on posts) and those will employ two men to stand on posts. As I said I wasn't there but what you describe doesn't sound like a full zonal system. A simpler explanation might be that as it was a friendly with lots of personnel changes players weren't given specific players/numbers to mark as it would've been impossible because of the high turnover of players. Did a specify a full zonal system, or a partial one? Nope.Well like you said you weren't there but thanks for correcting me anyway.
fleckneymike Posted 10 August 2014 Posted 10 August 2014 Did a specify a full zonal system, or a partial one? Nope. Well like you said you weren't there but thanks for correcting me anyway. You didn't, but when most people hear the phrase 'zonal marking' they tend to think a bit MOTD and worry about opposition players getting a run on the defender or no men covering the posts (as a few on here have highlighted). I believe another poster has said how it can look terrible if done badly (much like man to man in fairness) but I would expect we'd move towards mixed zonal if set pieces are our weakness as it can cover many weaknesses, especially if you have a team of short arses like we do
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