ADK Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Id like to see us try and play our best footballers which imo would be something like Schmeichel De Laet Wasilevski Morgan Konchesky Mahrez King Cambiasso Knockeart Powell Ulloa
Guest Col city fan Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Got to disagree with TTFN and Scouse. I don't think its about us giving the opposition too much respect. Not about that at all. We simply, at present, aren't a very good side at this level, it's becoming increasingly clear to see. Many have grossly underestimated the standard of the opposition in the Premiership, as I thought they would. However, there is time to turn this around. We must learn how to play our players in the best way possible. And learn very quickly. If we are looking at making more quality additions in January, it's crucial that we are still in the mix by then.
Durnerz Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Worried when I saw the team selection No wide players and our top scorer on the bench was cause for concern. Instantly we were put at a disadvantage and that's down to Pearson. Thats not to excuse some bad individual performances but we need to get it right and quickly as this league is unforgiving at the best of times.
North East Fox Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 How many chances did we create through our own smart play and not through a set piece? We all knew it would be hard and I think we all grossly underestimated how big a jump the Premier League is but taking our blue spectacles off and looking at us like a neutral you'd say that we look like generic relegation fodder. Luck (not quality) will determine whether we stay up or not. I think that's a great point (I'm on page 1 of this thread). Think we need to remember where we've come from. This season is only about staying up. Hope we get Shrewsbury at home in the fa cup.
ADK Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 I honestly think this rubbish about the premier league being much harder is just that. Some teams are a class above but most teams are no better than a championship team on a good day. Our last 5 performances would have been average in the championship.
Guest LCFC_World Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Where is the passion gone that we had for the first few games of this season? Personally I feel that's all that is lacking. That 'Foxes never quit' attitude....
inckley fox Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Got to disagree with TTFN and Scouse. I don't think its about us giving the opposition too much respect. Not about that at all. We simply, at present, aren't a very good side at this level, it's becoming increasingly clear to see. Many have grossly underestimated the standard of the opposition in the Premiership, as I thought they would. However, there is time to turn this around. We must learn how to play our players in the best way possible. And learn very quickly. If we are looking at making more quality additions in January, it's crucial that we are still in the mix by then. I think there's some truth in what they say, but I'd go along with your point about us needing to find the 'best fit' for this squad, and then sticking with it. Realistically, though, we can hazard a guess that De Laet, Hammond, Nugent, Schlupp, among others, might not form a part of that 'best fit', neither will four separate centre midfielders, or Vardy in the wing, or a front pairing of Wood and Ulloa. So I can't quite figure out how we've not progressed beyond such things. We need a steady managerial hand, preferably from Pearson, and quick.
Donut Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 I honestly think this rubbish about the premier league being much harder is just that. Some teams are a class above but most teams are no better than a championship team on a good day. Our last 5 performances would have been average in the championship. They MANAGE THE GAME well. They do what it takes to win. Its glaringly obvious that West Brom, Newcastle, Swansea are all far better than championship standard. Wake up.
GingerrrFox Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 I honestly think this rubbish about the premier league being much harder is just that. Some teams are a class above but most teams are no better than a championship team on a good day. Our last 5 performances would have been average in the championship. You're not wrong, apart from Berahino and Sessegnon that WBA team wouldn't look out of place as a top Championship side. They didn't play that well. You compare that game to some games such as against Brighton or Reading last season and there wasn't much difference if any at all in quality.
North East Fox Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Anybody asking for Pearson's head or even suggesting it needs to have a word with themselves. He's the best thing to happen to this club in a decade. Even if we go down this season I'll be praying he keeps his job. We're historically a yo-yo club but in the last decade we couldn't even muster that - thank god for Pearson. Think everyone's getting a little greedy. Anyone remember conceding at Hartlepool in the last minute in a fecking league game - in can be much worst than this - at least we're playing in the top league. Get a ****ing grip!!
Corky Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Where is the passion gone that we had for the first few games of this season? Personally I feel that's all that is lacking. That 'Foxes never quit' attitude.... The effort was there, the quality wasn't.
Mark_w Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Many have grossly underestimated the standard of the opposition in the Premiership, as I thought they would. You've done it again Col.
North East Fox Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Anybody asking for Pearson's head or even suggesting it needs to have a word with themselves. He's the best thing to happen to this club in a decade. Even if we go down this season I'll be praying he keeps his job. We're historically a yo-yo club but in the last decade we couldn't even muster that - thank god for Pearson. Think everyone's getting a little greedy. Anyone remember conceding at Hartlepool in the last minute in a fecking league game - in can be much worst than this - at least we're playing in the top league. Get a ****ing grip!! And yes I am pissed
orbison Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 We can all analyse what we think is wrong, discuss formations and players, but the biggest impression the last two matches have left on me is poor attitude, what happened to really getting stuck in , sweat and blood passion to win a game, playing like your life depended on it we are looking like a load of spineless pussyfoots.
Donut Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 You're not wrong, apart from Berahino and Sessegnon that WBA team wouldn't look out of place as a top Championship side. They didn't play that well. You compare that game to some games such as against Brighton or Reading last season and there wasn't much difference if any at all in quality. Far superior to a championship side.
NewburyFox Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 I honestly think this rubbish about the premier league being much harder is just that. Some teams are a class above but most teams are no better than a championship team on a good day. Our last 5 performances would have been average in the championship. I just can't agree with this. The quality is so much higher throughout the PL - even the lower teams have players of considerable quality who will hurt you. The players are stronger, faster and it's so important to concentrate for the full 90 minutes as the lightest lapse will be punished. I personally think the management underestimated the step up in quality when recruiting for this season, which is an incredibly naive and potentially fatal mistake to make. I also think the players became complacent after beating Man Utd. It was evident from the Burnley game that we quite simply weren't working as hard as against Man Utd and it cost us. We need to get back to doing what we do best, stick with a system and reinforce well in January.
GingerrrFox Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Far superior to a championship side. We had tougher games last season against Brighton and Reading than today against West Brom. Aside from Burnley they are easily the worst team we have played so far this season.
inckley fox Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Anybody asking for Pearson's head or even suggesting it needs to have a word with themselves. He's the best thing to happen to this club in a decade. Even if we go down this season I'll be praying he keeps his job. We're historically a yo-yo club but in the last decade we couldn't even muster that - thank god for Pearson. Think everyone's getting a little greedy. Anyone remember conceding at Hartlepool in the last minute in a fecking league game - in can be much worst than this - at least we're playing in the top league. Get a ****ing grip!! I take your point, but we are talking about the worst decade in the club's history! It's a bit like talking about the best member of Take That, or the best Education Secretary in the past two governments. Nigel Pearson being our best manager in the past decade doesn't mean that Estelle Morris wasn't still a bit shit.
Donut Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 We had tougher games last season against Brighton and Reading than today against West Brom. Aside from Burnley they are easily the worst team we have played so far this season. And won, by managing the game well, defensive assuredness from Lescott, appropriate tactics to suit various parts of the game and possessing players of quality going forward to provide a sting in the tail. Of course theyre better than Brighton and fvcking Reading. Whats the fvcking point in coming on here and calling West Brom "the worst team weve played so far this season" when we were atrocious and theyve left with 3 points? None
ADK Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 While there are some poor teams in the championship, I don't think the supposed gulf in class is that great, often teams are relegated from the premier league and people tip them to storm the championship only to find them languishing in the bottom half. We assume our team must be at least as good as last year's because they are a year older and we've made a few signings.
Donut Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 While there are some poor teams in the championship, I don't think the supposed gulf in class is that great, often teams are relegated from the premier league and people tip them to storm the championship only to find them languishing in the bottom half. We assume our team must be at least as good as last year's because they are a year older and we've made a few signings. They usually lose most of their good players and have to rebuild the team. Look at Fulham, all of their better players are gone. And they are going downwards, so they are on a low and need to reverse the negativity in the camp. Our team is better than last years. Weve added quality. Weve made a step up, its a fact. Why do people keep denying this?
North East Fox Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 I take your point, but we are talking about the worst decade in the club's history! It's a bit like talking about the best member of Take That, or the best Education Secretary in the past two governments. Nigel Pearson being our best manager in the past decade doesn't mean that Estelle Morris wasn't still a bit shit. I've googled Estelle Morris - now I can respond ;-) Okay I've followed city since around 95-96 and apart from the O'Neil era this is the most positive I've felt (obvious really) - even now. I'm not denying we're playing shite at the minute but we've all seen how well we can play. I'm just struggling to get my head around what people are expecting - we'll be fighting relegation this season and for me Pearson's the best man to lead us in that fight (I ask the question - has he ever had a bad season with us??)
inckley fox Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 I've googled Estelle Morris - now I can respond ;-) Okay I've followed city since around 95-96 and apart from the O'Neil era this is the most positive I've felt (obvious really) - even now. I'm not denying we're playing shite at the minute but we've all seen how well we can play. I'm just struggling to get my head around what people are expecting - we'll be fitting relegation this season and for me Pearson's the best man to lead us in that fight (I ask the question - has he ever had a bad season with us??) No - not a bad full season at least, though one might ask whether he met expectations in 2012-13. And I'm a big fan of what Pearson's done here. It's just vital that he's the best man to keep us in the Premier League. I suspect he is, but he's clearly got a lot to learn, and he's going to have to learn it fast.
Mark_w Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 I've googled Estelle Morris - now I can respond ;-) Okay I've followed city since around 95-96 and apart from the O'Neil era this is the most positive I've felt (obvious really) - even now. I'm not denying we're playing shite at the minute but we've all seen how well we can play. I'm just struggling to get my head around what people are expecting - we'll be fighting relegation this season and for me Pearson's the best man to lead us in that fight (I ask the question - has he ever had a bad season with us??) I think it's worth noting that O'Neill had two more points after his first ten Premier League games with us than we have now and had a run of 9 games without a win that season. Were people panicking to anything like this extent then out of interest?
theessexfox Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Few points, just got home: - Pearson in obviously, first and foremost. No one minded his sitting in the stands when we were winning, it's his way and it's not the reason we're losing. Having said that, I thought it was a weird team selection today; 4 CMs are much of a muchness and I think we needed a Mahrez/Knockaert to inject some pace and spark into the attacks. I'd still like to see 4-4-2 with wingers like we did at the start of the season, though away at the Saints that may be suicide. - As NP said post-match, I thought our base for a result was solid today. We managed the game well in spells and looked strong at the back, decent in possession. However, it's hard to legislate for an own goal like that, and as such we were unlucky in this respect, and we didn't look like scoring too often. Granted, we created a few chances, but none of them clear cut. - I've defended Nugent in the past but his decision making is too slow for the Premier League. He dithers on the ball too much and is not incisive. - Wasilewski came in and did well today, lets forget his amazing elbows (didn't see the incident as anything significant at the time), he looked solid today. Morgan was also decent and RDL bounced back well from Swansea. Konchesky is poor in possession and looks like a disaster waiting to happen. - James looked really strong and positive today but where is the Danny Drinkwater of last season? Another poor game today, Kingy did some nice bits but needs to score that. - Powell looks promising so that's one positive from today. - WBA fans were a disgrace in that they sung during the silence, then want us to join in with their Justice for Jeff applause? Also what happened with the scrap that was going on after the game? - Really poor run now on paper and next week looks ominous, need to get some more points on the board, I'm confident we'll be alright and Pearson is the man but this is a tough hole to dig ourselves out from. The atmosphere was flat today mainly because the game lacked quality and excitement, not a good watch. Keep the faith.
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