Guest ttfn Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 I think that you can. Of the last six goals we've conceded five of them have been relatively simple finishes following a mistake or a touch from our defender or goalkeeper. IE, the area which the goals have been scored have come from just in front of the back four. Basically, the area where a defensive midfielder generally would sit. I find it easy to believe that a DM would have been able to get a foot to one or two of them. That's two points potentially saved.s All speculative I know, but when you're conceding all your goals from the same area, does it not make sense to make sure that you stick one of your own midfielders right in that area to stop this from happening? All 3 goals against QPR came inside the six yard box after a ball played in from a wide area. Ain't no defensive midfielder in the world stopping them.
The Horse's Mouth Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Col has become a parody of himself with this Lee Clattermole nonsense
Fox Ulike Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 So we need to play a different formation so that we have a player who can mop up the cock ups of other players... how about we sort the route of the problem ie. the mistakes. Should we have an attacking midfielder following Vardy around so he's there to mop up Vardy's cocked up chances, or should we try and get Vardy to finish his chances? I appreciate what you are saying, but I'm really not sure the route cause of our problems is not having an extra CM . Well yes! Players are always going to make mistakes. You can't stop that - all you can do is put Dean Hammond or someone in there with a mop and bucket to clean up. Look at Liverpool's first and second goals. Both Morgan's 'assists'. But Morgan hasn't even made big mistakes, he's just cleared the ball under pressure. But cos there is no-one to mop up in front of him, both those clearances resulted in goals conceded.
Fox Ulike Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 All 3 goals against QPR came inside the six yard box after a ball played in from a wide area. Ain't no defensive midfielder in the world stopping them. Well why not? If the defence is in the six yard box then that's where the defensive midfielder is going to be too.
Guest ttfn Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Well why not? If the defence is in the six yard box then that's where the defensive midfielder is going to be too. Let's just line 10 men up on the goal line.
Guest Col city fan Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Col has become a parody of himself with this Lee Clattermole nonsense [/quote/] Contribute..what's YOUR view Try to have a thought of your own.. Thinking is SO important...
Guest Col city fan Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Let's just line 10 men up on the goal line. Lets turn this argument on its head. Simply, what we are doing now AINT working. What would you do? And please don't say 'stop the individual errors'.. they are happening and more often. I've said what I'd do. Some agree (Didi Hamann, Fox Ulike), many don't. So what would Ttfn do? I give up. Is that a promise?
Fox Ulike Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Absolute bobbins. One Morgan OG after De Laet got rinsed, Leroy Fer was about 1.5 yards out not where a DMC would be, Austin converted after another failed Set Piece clearence, Lallana got in front of our full back (Konchesky) after a poor Morgan clearance and Henderson is again half a yard out, They screen the back four nearly all the goalscorers were behind the back four bar the Gerard goal, which is the isolated incident in question. In defensive situations your DM tends to sit on or around the penalty spot in front of the back four, no? That's where two of Liverpool's goals and two of QPR's came from. I don't really see how what I am saying can be questioned. Not because I am assuming God-like invulnerability, but because an extra DM would result in less goals conceded. The only question is whether we can sacrifice Vardy to add that extra resilience at the back.
Fox Ulike Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Let's just line 10 men up on the goal line. OMG what are you like 12 years old? No. Just one extra in front of the defence... Now stop playing up.
Fox Ulike Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Lets turn this argument on its head. Simply, what we are doing now AINT working. What would you do? And please don't say 'stop the individual errors'.. they are happening and more often. I've said what I'd do. Some agree (Didi Hamann, Fox Ulike), many don't. So what would Ttfn do? Is that a promise? I am just fvckin loving that!!
Guest ttfn Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Lets turn this argument on its head. Simply, what we are doing now AINT working. What would you do? And please don't say 'stop the individual errors'.. they are happening and more often. I've said what I'd do. Some agree (Didi Hamann, Fox Ulike), many don't. So what would Ttfn do? Stop the individual errors. You seem to think there's a structural issue now when 8 weeks ago you were telling all and sundry that tactics didn't really matter. I would consider dropping an extra man into midfield but ahead of Cambiasso and AN Other - somebody to link midfield and attack. But I don't think it's a panacea or can even be contemplated as such when Schmeichel is making errors for 2 of the last 6 goals that we've conceded that I'd find unacceptable if I was playing in goal (and let me tell you, I am no goalkeeper) and Morgan has made terrible mistakes for at least another 2 and got himself sent off with another error. These are experienced pros making rookie errors. They can be cut out and Nige will make sure they are cut out.
Guest ttfn Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 OMG what are you like 12 years old? No. Just one extra in front of the defence... Now stop playing up. No, severalteen, do keep up. Basically you seem to think that the defensive midfielder is this omnipresent character who will be a panacea to all our ills. That much is apparent if you think you'd ever find a defensive midfielder in the six yard box apart from marking or defending a post at a corner.
Fox Ulike Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 No, severalteen, do keep up. Basically you seem to think that the defensive midfielder is this omnipresent character who will be a panacea to all our ills. That much is apparent if you think you'd ever find a defensive midfielder in the six yard box apart from marking or defending a post at a corner. No. I just think it might result in us conceding fewer goals.
shailen Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 You know it's funny that a few games people were complaining about our attacking options and not playing 4-4-2 and now it's our defence. it's very hard to find the balance and we aren't getting much luck. Cambiasso has been a consistent performer for us and is easily the best player on the ball in our team.
Guest Col city fan Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Stop the individual errors. You seem to think there's a structural issue now when 8 weeks ago you were telling all and sundry that tactics didn't really matter. I would consider dropping an extra man into midfield but ahead of Cambiasso and AN Other - somebody to link midfield and attack. But I don't think it's a panacea or can even be contemplated as such when Schmeichel is making errors for 2 of the last 6 goals that we've conceded that I'd find unacceptable if I was playing in goal (and let me tell you, I am no goalkeeper) and Morgan has made terrible mistakes for at least another 2 and got himself sent off with another error. These are experienced pros making rookie errors. They can be cut out and Nige will make sure they are cut out. Yes BUT HOW?? Why are the errors creeping in? Do you think the club hasn't got defensive coaches? Can you stop individual errors? I think you have to stop their cause. Or do you buy a whole new back line?
Fox Ulike Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 You know it's funny that a few games people were complaining about our attacking options and not playing 4-4-2 and now it's our defence. it's very hard to find the balance and we aren't getting much luck. Cambiasso has been a consistent performer for us and is easily the best player on the ball in our team. Very hard indeed. FOUR central midfielders is too defensive, but TWO central midfielders is too attacking... Hmmm. I'm stumped. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how we can achieve a balance between these two extreme strategies?
peterthefox Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Perhaps Schmeichel could help in the 6 yard area by taking control?
Guest ttfn Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Yes BUT HOW?? Why are the errors creeping in? Do you think the club hasn't got defensive coaches? Can you stop individual errors? I think you have to stop their cause. Or do you buy a whole new back line? Don't know how, wouldn't claim to either. What I do know is that a defensive midfielder does nothing to stop any of the six goals we've conceded in the last 2 games, with the possible exception of Gerrard's. And if it was so easy to stop goals like Gerrard's with a defensive midfielder then Frank Lampard's career statistics would look a hell of a lot different.
Manwell Pablo Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Lets turn this argument on its head. Simply, what we are doing now AINT working. What would you do? And please don't say 'stop the individual errors'.. they are happening and more often. I've said what I'd do. Some agree (Didi Hamann, Fox Ulike), many don't. So what would Ttfn do? Is that a promise? Yep in here anyway waste of time.
Dickov22 Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Steve Gerrard gets a chance in our area - there's no midfielder anywhere near him, he scores. Cambiasso gets an identical chance in the Liverpool area late on, there's a defender plus the sitting midfielder Lucas right infront of him, putting him off. He ends up sending a difficult chance straight against his own player. I'm not suggesting that by playing 3 in the middle of the park, we will start winning, but we will certainly restrict the opposition to fewer chances, and surely be able to have more of a foothold over the game. Especially against the better sides. Stoke away second half was a good example; we were dreadful first half and regularly carved open at the back (which in my opinion is our weakest area of the pitch). Second half we were far better, as we had 3 cms = Drinkwater and Hammond, plus Cambiasso. 442 is ok against Burnley and Qpr. Not against Liverpool.
Fox Ulike Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 Don't know how, wouldn't claim to either. What I do know is that a defensive midfielder does nothing to stop any of the six goals we've conceded in the last 2 games, with the possible exception of Gerrard's. And if it was so easy to stop goals like Gerrard's with a defensive midfielder then Frank Lampard's career statistics would look a hell of a lot different. ... you do realise that five is less than six?
Manwell Pablo Posted 5 December 2014 Posted 5 December 2014 ... you do realise that five is less than six? We wouldn't of scored without Vardy on the pitch, his shitness was pivotal in the goal we scored, end result = the same.
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