Esteban Cambiasso

[Fox Ulike]

you think we beat united because dean hammond was playing and we kept it tight and defended well? 

 

 

i'm out the thread. goodnight. 

 

Hat-trick.

[Manwell Pablo]

Have you seen highlights of Gerrard's goal?

If not, do so and don't watch Gerrard running off to celebrate his goal, watch Cambiasso's reaction....

He stoops down with his head in his hands.

To me (and maybe only to me), that reaction showed two things:

1. "Shit, they've scored"

2. "Shit....he's got in and I was nowhere near him"

Watch it back..see what you think...

 

oh sigh Col.

 

As I originally said, unless you expect all our players to be touch tight and goal side, there's nothing he could of done. It's a shit break of the ball form a shit clearance that simple.

[Guest Col city fan]

Well, actually yes. His name is Dean Hammond.

I believe the stats are we've done best (points etc) with Dean Hammond in the side? I think that's right?

[Guest Col city fan]

oh sigh Col.

As I originally said, unless you expect all our players to be touch tight and goal side, there's nothing he could of done. It's a shit break of the ball form a shit clearance that simple.

Cmon Pabs cheer up mate..unlike you to get frustrated like this. And IMO you post some top stuff.

You could be right...probably are..but watch the reaction is all I'm saying.

[Manwell Pablo]

Cmon Pabs cheer up mate..unlike you to get frustrated like this. And IMO you post some top stuff.

You could be right...probably are..but watch the reaction is all I'm saying.

 

Foxulike and his 30 yard screamers from Dean Hammond have done me in.

 

He's just conceded a goal, if you watch he normally looks gutted whenever we concaed a goal. He's probably not used to it happening so often tbf!

[MC Prussian]

Have you seen highlights of Gerrard's goal?

If not, do so and don't watch Gerrard running off to celebrate his goal, watch Cambiasso's reaction....

He stoops down with his head in his hands.

To me (and maybe only to me), that reaction showed two things:

1. "Shit, they've scored"

2. "Shit....he's got in and I was nowhere near him"

Watch it back..see what you think...

Now you're clearly clinging onto details and are desperate for anything to justify your far-fetched theory about Cambiasso being at fault.

 

Watch the clip again:

1. Our defense was nowhere to be seen, then cut open by a simple sideways pass, which neutralizes about two defenders or defending players who are completely out of position and marking nowhere in the back line

2. Morgan's clumsy clearance (should've kicked that one away as far as possible)

 

End of.

 

If you want to, however, you may also want to ask the question where Wasilewski was with his marking leading up to that goal.

We had about four to five players committing to one opposing player, that is criminal.

[cjslcfc]

Have you seen highlights of Gerrard's goal?

If not, do so and don't watch Gerrard running off to celebrate his goal, watch Cambiasso's reaction....

He stoops down with his head in his hands.

To me (and maybe only to me), that reaction showed two things:

1. "Shit, they've scored"

2. "Shit....he's got in and I was nowhere near him"

Watch it back..see what you think...

 

I've seen a few of our goals where he's got head in hands after conceding. I don't think you can read too much into that.

 

Don't you think if he has to be always thinking about possible mistakes team-mates will be making that will damage the rest of his game? In my opinion the goal is a result of a poor clearance. Maybe he could have tracked him but does anyone expect Morgan to fluff the ball and lay it on a plate for Gerrard?

[Guest Col city fan]

Foxulike and his 30 yard screamers from Dean Hammond have done me in.

He's just conceded a goal, if you watch he normally looks gutted whenever we concaed a goal. He's probably not used to it happening so often tbf!

You could be right..

I forgive you for the shite you gave me over Cattermole btw. Though at the time it was hard to take! I aint saying he's a great player mate..and can be a thug of course. I simply believe that such a player could have helped..that's all.

So cheer up!

[The Doctor]

You're too late Doctor. I've already reduced two posters to tears today with this argument and I don't think I have the mental strength to go through it all again.

 

However, I'm perfectly capable of spending ages explaining basic concepts to brick walls - so, let's go. Explain why your defensive midfielder is everywhere on the pitch and would deal with things in the six yard box despite being positioned on the edge of the 18 yard box?

[Guest Col city fan]

However, I'm perfectly capable of spending ages explaining basic concepts to brick walls - so, let's go. Explain why your defensive midfielder is everywhere on the pitch and would deal with things in the six yard box despite being positioned on the edge of the 18 yard box?

I can answer that through watching Neil Lennon. As a season ticket holder under O'Neill, and going to away games a lot with my mates, I studied how Lennon played. Apart from Tommy Wright, Lennon was my fave player.

Martin's success was underpinned by Lennon. He had a fantastic engine and could get ACROSS the pitch brilliantly. Very rarely did he get UP the pitch. He left that to Izzett and Parker usually.

What Lennon did, as your archetypal DM, was to stop opposition attacks before they built up. Guppy usually played as a wing-back and when he got forward as an attacking threat, Lennon came across to cover. He did the same with the right side too, but i cant recollect who the RWB was.

Therefore, the numbers of really dangerous crosses coming in, those nasty little low balls fizzed-in from the byline, were minimised. The crosses that DID come in, the hopeful launches into our box, were gobbled up by big Walsh and Elliott.

Lennon's presence and ability was the lynchpin of both our attacking and defensive prowess. It meant Guppy could get forward, it meant that Muzzy didn't have to get back and defend.

Chelsea do a similar thing. When Ivanowich gets forward, Matic simply slides in and covers him..horizontally. When was the last time you saw Matic getting into the opposition half?

Errors are usually due to pressure and Lennon took that pressure away.

[The Doctor]

I can answer that through watching Neil Lennon. As a season ticket holder under O'Neill, and going to away games a lot with my mates, I studied how Lennon played. Apart from Tommy Wright, Lennon was my fave player.

Martin's success was underpinned by Lennon. He had a fantastic engine and could get ACROSS the pitch brilliantly. Very rarely did he get UP the pitch. He left that to Izzett and Parker usually.

What Lennon did, as your archetypal DM, was to stop opposition attacks before they built up. Guppy usually played as a wing-back and when he got forward as an attacking threat, Lennon came across to cover. He did the same with the right side too, but i cant recollect who the RWB was.

Therefore, the numbers of really dangerous crosses coming in, those nasty little low balls fizzed-in from the byline, were minimised. The crosses that DID come in, the hopeful launches into our box, were gobbled up by big Walsh and Elliott.

Lennon's presence and ability was the lynchpin of both our attacking and defensive prowess. It meant Guppy could get forward, it meant that Muzzy didn't have to get back and defend.

Chelsea do a similar thing. When Ivanowich gets forward, Matic simply slides in and covers him..horizontally. When was the last time you saw Matic getting into the opposition half?

Errors are usually due to pressure and Lennon took that pressure away.

 

Even so, this defensive midfielder would not be in the 6 yard box. You can argue they'd take the pressure away, but that doesn't solve the third goal at QPR or the first v Liverpool, the results of poorly defended set-pieces, nor would it solve Kasper mishandling under very little pressure for liverpools third. As for the crosses - we're not dealing with the high ones properly either - that's where Fers goal came from.

 

As for the own-goal vs QPR, wes put it into his own net under pressure from Austin lurking behind waiting for a tap-in. Bar this DM grabbing Austin and throwing him out the way (a definite penalty), it's not going to solve that goal, and i've already explained how it wouldn't definitely stop Gerrards, and how if the DM did his role properly it would still have happened. 

The 6 goals in the last two games have all been preventable, but the addition of a DM isn't what would prevent them. What would prevent them is Wes not cushioning it down for opposition strikers, Kasper not spilling balls at the feet of players and players actually attacking set-pieces and getting them clear.

[tylesta]

I can answer that through watching Neil Lennon. As a season ticket holder under O'Neill, and going to away games a lot with my mates, I studied how Lennon played. Apart from Tommy Wright, Lennon was my fave player.

Martin's success was underpinned by Lennon. He had a fantastic engine and could get ACROSS the pitch brilliantly. Very rarely did he get UP the pitch. He left that to Izzett and Parker usually.

What Lennon did, as your archetypal DM, was to stop opposition attacks before they built up. Guppy usually played as a wing-back and when he got forward as an attacking threat, Lennon came across to cover. He did the same with the right side too, but i cant recollect who the RWB was.

Therefore, the numbers of really dangerous crosses coming in, those nasty little low balls fizzed-in from the byline, were minimised. The crosses that DID come in, the hopeful launches into our box, were gobbled up by big Walsh and Elliott.

Lennon's presence and ability was the lynchpin of both our attacking and defensive prowess. It meant Guppy could get forward, it meant that Muzzy didn't have to get back and defend.

Chelsea do a similar thing. When Ivanowich gets forward, Matic simply slides in and covers him..horizontally. When was the last time you saw Matic getting into the opposition half?

Errors are usually due to pressure and Lennon took that pressure away.

so if we had *coughs* cattermole or lennon, we wouldn't of conceded them against liverpool!

[Guest Col city fan]

Even so, this defensive midfielder would not be in the 6 yard box. You can argue they'd take the pressure away, but that doesn't solve the third goal at QPR or the first v Liverpool, the results of poorly defended set-pieces, nor would it solve Kasper mishandling under very little pressure for liverpools third. As for the crosses - we're not dealing with the high ones properly either - that's where Fers goal came from.

As for the own-goal vs QPR, wes put it into his own net under pressure from Austin lurking behind waiting for a tap-in. Bar this DM grabbing Austin and throwing him out the way (a definite penalty), it's not going to solve that goal, and i've already explained how it wouldn't definitely stop Gerrards, and how if the DM did his role properly it would still have happened.

The 6 goals in the last two games have all been preventable, but the addition of a DM isn't what would prevent them. What would prevent them is Wes not cushioning it down for opposition strikers, Kasper not spilling balls at the feet of players and players actually attacking set-pieces and getting them clear.

I dont think they are mutually exclusive. The bigger picture is pressure and control.

Would such errors have been made if the crosses hadn't come in at the rate they were coming in? Would Stevie G had had a free shot at goal if Wes was feeling more confident about how we were playing and the nasty little cross hadn't have happened. Football is a very psychological game. Contrary to popular opinion i think we look anything but a confident side currently. The back five are making quite uncharacteristic errors. So lets protect them for now.

[Guest Col city fan]

so if we had *coughs* cattermole or lennon, we wouldn't of conceded them against liverpool!

Who knows? What I do know is that this team is crying out currently for a Neil Lennon.

[Fox92]

Who knows? What I do know is that this team is crying out currently for a Neil Lennon.

 

We've said this since Lennon left and I honestly believe we'll be saying this forever. 

[The Doctor]

I dont think they are mutually exclusive. The bigger picture is pressure and control.

Would such errors have been made if the crosses hadn't come in at the rate they were coming in? Would Stevie G had had a free shot at goal if Wes was feeling more confident about how we were playing and the nasty little cross hadn't have happened. Football is a very psychological game. Contrary to popular opinion i think we look anything but a confident side currently. The back five are making quite uncharacteristic errors. So lets protect them for now.

 

They're not mutually exclusive no - if you feel under pressure you're more likely to make mistakes, but when the problem comes from crosses and set-pieces, a DM isn't going to ease that pressure, because he's not going to stop the crosses coming in (it's not a case of the full back going forward and leaving the flank exposed, the problem is standing off and allowing the crosses to come in) or the set-pieces being conceded - he shields the defence from midfielders breaking forwards, but that's not our problem at the moment - our problem is that the crosses keep coming in.

[cjslcfc]

We've said this since Lennon left and I honestly believe we'll be saying this forever. 

 

I'd love to have Izzet, Lennon, Guppy, Walsh, Elliott, Taggart, Heskey, Parker all back but it's long in the past now. Who knows, if we back some of these players they may scale the heights that collective got to. It's a lot different nowadays but support is what they need.

[Fox92]

I'd love to have Izzet, Lennon, Guppy, Walsh, Elliott, Taggart, Heskey, Parker all back but it's long in the past now. Who knows, if we back some of these players they may scale the heights that collective got to. It's a lot different nowadays but support is what they need.

 

I wasn't reminiscing or anything, I just feel that when a squad is successful as they were the fans will always look back at them, especially when we haven't had much success since. It's like the whole "well O'Neill played 352 so Pearson should" debate that seems to resurface constantly, but we have a different group of players now which suit a different formation.

[Guest Col city fan]

I wasn't reminiscing or anything, I just feel that when a squad is successful as they were the fans will always look back at them, especially when we haven't had much success since. It's like the whole "well O'Neill played 352 so Pearson should" debate that seems to resurface constantly, but we have a different group of players now which suit a different formation.

Unfortunately, they don't. At least not at the moment. Lets hope that changes.

[cjslcfc]

I wasn't reminiscing or anything, I just feel that when a squad is successful as they were the fans will always look back at them, especially when we haven't had much success since. It's like the whole "well O'Neill played 352 so Pearson should" debate that seems to resurface constantly, but we have a different group of players now which suit a different formation.

 

Yeah it was a fantastic time for the club so I don't blame anyone who looks back fondly a lot of the time.

 

For me, I was too young to properly support and follow Leicester then. So maybe it's just a generational thing but I look forward to hope I can experience just a little of that joy. I mean, cup wins and high league finishes are what it's about.

[Tom17LCFC]

Have you seen highlights of Gerrard's goal?

If not, do so and don't watch Gerrard running off to celebrate his goal, watch Cambiasso's reaction....

He stoops down with his head in his hands.

To me (and maybe only to me), that reaction showed two things:

1. "Shit, they've scored"

2. "Shit....he's got in and I was nowhere near him"

Watch it back..see what you think...

 

fvcking hell this is ridiculous now. you can make some reasoned points but your blatant vendetta against cambiasso is getting tiring.

[st albans fox]

He probably should have covered his run but Lampard and Gerrard have been doing that for years and against better sides than us. Wes' intervention was the key problem with that goal, not EC not covering the run of gerrard

[orangecity23]

It's worth mentioning that Neil Lennon's presence was not enough to stop Frank Sinclair feeling pressure and scoring own goals. Steve Guppy managed to hit the bar from 2 yards once, was that as UNACCEPTABLE as when Cambiasso did it? Finally, that facial analysis of Cambiasso after the goal is the most bollocks I think I've ever read here, better group it with the 'Beckford too sad', 'Nugent too happy', 'Chris Wood looks miserable' stuff and make an 'acceptable facial expressions for Leicester City players' thread.

[Guest Col city fan]

It's worth mentioning that Neil Lennon's presence was not enough to stop Frank Sinclair feeling pressure and scoring own goals. Steve Guppy managed to hit the bar from 2 yards once, was that as UNACCEPTABLE as when Cambiasso did it? Finally, that facial analysis of Cambiasso after the goal is the most bollocks I think I've ever read here, better group it with the 'Beckford too sad', 'Nugent too happy', 'Chris Wood looks miserable' stuff and make an 'acceptable facial expressions for Leicester City players' thread.

Crikey, you ain't read many posts then..

[orangecity23]

Crikey, you ain't read many posts then..

To be fair, I'm doing you a disservice. A great deal of your many thousands of posts have been utter bollocks, I just thought the face one was just the most pointless overreach I've seen.