TMELcfc Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 He is one of few players we have, who has the quality to play in this division. The rest are championship level and that's the truth... not saying they wont improve from the experience, but it might be too late by then.
Guest Col city fan Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 Sorry mate yer on yer own now! We still need that third midfielder though. Vardy improved as the game went on but first half he was just a waste of a shirt. Don't worry, I'm used to it. Keep it in mind though. I think you were right all along. Our midfield is paper thin. That said, our defending tonight was at times, amateurish
ozleicester Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 Our best player and at times one step ahead of his team mates as well as the opponents
Guest Col city fan Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 Our best player and at times one step ahead of his team mates as well as the opponents If only...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 Thought he was class for most of the game this evening. You can't account for vendettas.
kingfox Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 He is one of few players we have, who has the quality to play in this division. The rest are championship level and that's the truth... not saying they wont improve from the experience, but it might be too late by then. Spot On
Manwell Pablo Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 Thought he was class for most of the game this evening. You can't account for vendettas. You can, some people just need to be right even to the point where they are willing to embarrass themselves in public.
ScouseFox Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 probably our best player. not majestic but pretty tidy. odd that it seems everyone agrees with that except col city fan crikey who'd have thought it.
Manwell Pablo Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 probably our best player. not majestic but pretty tidy. odd that it seems everyone agrees with that except col city fan crikey who'd have thought it. LEE CATTERMOLE WOULD OF DONE BETTER MATE
st albans fox Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 Now he is fit he is one of the few players we have who can hold their own at this level. Would like to see DD played infront of him and James
Guest Col city fan Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 LEE CATTERMOLE WOULD OF DONE BETTER MATE Most probably..Not really the time to be taking the pee really is it, when Cattermole was man of the match against the league leaders and Sunderland sit above us. Not when we've just conceded three more goals, at home. I could understand it if we were playing well and not leaking goals for fun. But to make your argument NOW, just looks petulant. What would the great Pablo do to turn this slide around? At least I make suggestions, all you seem to do is to take the mick. Pabs and Scouse.. I'm all ears...
MC Prussian Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 Most probably.. Not really the time to be taking the pee really is it, when Cattermole was man of the match against the league leaders and Sunderland sit above us. Not when we've just conceded three more goals, at home. I could understand it if we were playing well and not leaking goals for fun. But to make your argument NOW, just looks petulant. What would the great Pablo do to turn this slide around? At least I make suggestions, all you seem to do is to take the mick. Pabs and Scouse..too peas from the same pod. I'm all ears... Please enlighten us as to how Lee f***ing Cattermole could've prevented all three Liverpool goals single-handedly tonight. I beg you. Somebody asks you a serious question - your answer? "Lee Cattermole" Does the pope speak German? "No, but Lee Cattermole does." You need a plumber? "Call Lee Cattermole, he'll fix anything. Don't know how, but so I've heard."
Manwell Pablo Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 Most probably.. Not really the time to be taking the pee really is it, when Cattermole was man of the match against the league leaders and Sunderland sit above us. Not when we've just conceded three more goals, at home. I could understand it if we were playing well and not leaking goals for fun. But to make your argument NOW, just looks petulant. What would the great Pablo do to turn this slide around? At least I make suggestions, all you seem to do is to take the mick. Pabs and Scouse..too peas from the same pod. I'm all ears... I'm making my point now as Cambiasso has just put another decent performance in and to suggest Lee Cattermole would look anything other than lost in our side at the moment is the opinion of someone who quite frankly should consider watching a different sport. Whenever we lose you seem to point out the negativity with the result and the fact that we're bottom and use it at us a stick to beat Estaban Cambiasso with for some reason, purely because you struggle to find things at an individual level. You can keep pointing at his performance against Chelsea if you so wish, but if you want to talk about one off freakishly good performances (will be interested to see if you can show me a credible source giving him MOTM btw, not saying your wrong) shall we talk about the flip side i.e his performance during Southamptons 8-0 drumming of the black cats where he barely looked fit to play professional football. Or more importantly we could just look at the fact that Lee Cattermole is little more than a basic battering ram of a professional footballer, always has been, always will be, our problem, despite your straw clutching, has little to do with the lack of breaking midfield play up. It is set pieces, and it is defensively. My personal preference as a fan is to be analytical rather than suggest things that will change the side around, I find fans attempting to claim the now all the answers to mainly be people who think they know far more about football than they actually do and people desperate for attention (hello Col) but to answer your question in my view there is very little that can be done to dramatically improve this side at the moment, a reasonable investment in January is what I would personally suggest if we are looking at surviving this year. At the end of the day I know my football from a football fans perspective but I haven't got a clue what go's on day in day out at Belvoir drive so unlike you I realize I am not going to be able to come up with a master plan to keep us in this division. If I could I'd be earning five figures a week. I accept I'm not a football manager, which is why I "take the pee" out of you for thinking you are. Is that ok for your ears mate or do you want more premature endings to text lines
Guest Col city fan Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 I'm making my point now as Cambiasso has just put another decent performance in and to suggest Lee Cattermole would look anything other than lost in our side at the moment is the opinion of someone who quite frankly should consider watching a different sport. Whenever we lose you seem to point out the negativity with the result and the fact that we're bottom and use it at us a stick to beat Estaban Cambiasso with for some reason, purely because you struggle to find things at an individual level. You can keep pointing at his performance against Chelsea if you so wish, but if you want to talk about one off freakishly good performances (will be interested to see if you can show me a credible source giving him MOTM btw, not saying your wrong) shall we talk about the flip side i.e his performance during Southamptons 8-0 drumming of the black cats where he barely looked fit to play professional football. Or more importantly we could just look at the fact that Lee Cattermole is little more than a basic battering ram of a professional footballer, always has been, always will be, our problem, despite your straw clutching, has little to do with the lack of breaking midfield play up. It is set pieces, and it is defensively. My personal preference as a fan is to be analytical rather than suggest things that will change the side around, I find fans attempting to claim the now all the answers to mainly be people who think they know far more about football than they actually do and people desperate for attention (hello Col) but to answer your question in my view there is very little that can be done to dramatically improve this side at the moment, a reasonable investment in January is what I would personally suggest if we are looking at surviving this year. At the end of the day I know my football from a football fans perspective but I haven't got a clue what go's on day in day out at Belvoir drive so unlike you I realize I am not going to be able to come up with a master plan to keep us in this division. If I could I'd be earning five figures a week. I accept I'm not a football manager, which is why I "take the pee" out of you for thinking you are. Is that ok for your ears mate or do you want more premature endings to text lines Cattermole was an example. He was a 'type'. I must have made this clear possibly 30 times. Why? Because you come back with the same old nonsense. Read up a page or two, you'll see what I mean. I want a disciplined midfield with disciplined players in there. I don't want fancy flicks from a box to box midfielder. I want proper box to box..a player that is fit enough to bust a gut. Such a player doesn't have to be a 'battering ram', but if so, then sobeit. I want a midfield that fully supports it's defence. I want a team that is not conceding goals for fun. If that means it might be best to play a DM off the back four, I want it. For all the suggestions of 'class', that are levelled at Esteban's performances, I'm afraid the team is losing, and losing big time. As I thought may happen, we are in a dogfight. So I want grit and determination at this specific moment in time, not 'class'. Class can wait until we are out of this position. For now, we need tough and solid, we need structure. We actually need a midfield that will WIN second ball in our own penalty area, not be second to it. Cambiasso doesn't provide this. Cattermole might have done. But it doesn't have to be Lee Cattermole. In the true sheep you seem to be, you've latched onto that, made it a joke, ridiculed it and used it as a stick on this forum. But the 'type' of player we require, IMO, is that type. At the moment, it's not Cambiasso. Why? Because we ARE bottom. Fact. I've criticised other players too tonight. But I keep on about Cambiasso for two reasons. Firstly, I think our midfield weak and paper thin with him in it. Secondly, because people still insist on seeing his positives (Of which there are some....note..), whilst conveniently ignoring the negatives. That's bias. Frankly, I'm tired of having this discussion with you. You made up your mind over the summer, so I won't change it. The proof of the pudding, unfortunately, is in the eating. At present, you should be eating humble pie. Should that change, I tell you what, I'll have a slice myself.
sdb Posted 2 December 2014 Posted 2 December 2014 He's class, even in a 442, and he really seems to care too. Which makes this all the more heartbreaking.
MC Prussian Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 Cattermole was an example. He was a 'type'. I must have made this clear possibly 30 times. Why? Because you come back with the same old nonsense. Read up a page or two, you'll see what I mean. I want a disciplined midfield with disciplined players in there. I don't want fancy flicks from a box to box midfielder. I want proper box to box..a player that is fit enough to bust a gut. Such a player doesn't have to be a 'battering ram', but if so, then sobeit. I want a midfield that fully supports it's defence. I want a team that is not conceding goals for fun. If that means it might be best to play a DM off the back four, I want it. For all the suggestions of 'class', that are levelled at Esteban's performances, I'm afraid the team is losing, and losing big time. As I thought may happen, we are in a dogfight. So I want grit and determination at this specific moment in time, not 'class'. Class can wait until we are out of this position. For now, we need tough and solid, we need structure. We actually need a midfield that will WIN second ball in our own penalty area, not be second to it. Cambiasso doesn't provide this. Cattermole might have done. But it doesn't have to be Lee Cattermole. In the true sheep you seem to be, you've latched onto that, made it a joke, ridiculed it and used it as a stick on this forum. But the 'type' of player we require, IMO, is that type. At the moment, it's not Cambiasso. Why? Because we ARE bottom. Fact. I've criticised other players too tonight. But I keep on about Cambiasso for two reasons. Firstly, I think our midfield weak and paper thin with him in it. Secondly, because people still insist on seeing his positives (Of which there are some....note..), whilst conveniently ignoring the negatives. That's bias. Frankly, I'm tired of having this discussion with you. You made up your mind over the summer, so I won't change it. The proof of the pudding, unfortunately, is in the eating. At present, you should be eating humble pie. Should that change, I tell you what, I'll have a slice myself. You've come up with the same example more than 30 times. You don't use him as an "example", you've called for his services numerous times. You wanted him here. You still want him here (although he's one dirty-tackling mofo footballer). How is our midfield not disciplined with Cambiasso in it? He exudes so much confidence and class, vision and talent. What we require is all players pulling on the same rope and less players making a fool of themselves with too many individual errors (Morgan, Schmeichel, and to an extent De Laet and Mahrez tonight). We need consistency. You don't get consistency with Lee ****ing Cattermole or the type of dirty, rough 'n tough player like him, because he's more likely to be sent off than not. That's probably as consistent as you can get with that sort of footballer. You put all the blame on tonight's three goals on our midfield (and thus indirectly on Cambiasso). Benji and me have given you three good reasons why that isn't true. But keep on banging about your theory. I'm sure someone, somewhere will pick it up. At some point. In a different universe.
Guest Col city fan Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 Can someone please inform MC Prussian (if his posts relate to mine), he's on ignore and I'm not reading them. The forum at large deserves to not have to read any more of our tete a tetes.
ScouseFox Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 hahaha lee cattermole oh man it's funny every time you think of it
GingerrrFox Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 Anyone who has anything to say other than praise for Cambiasso tonight then quite frankly they know **** all about football. Yes he missed the chance from Mignolet's mistake, but it was only his quick reading of the play and anticipation of movement that got him in that position. Other than that he ran his bollocks off for the side and was always tidy and creative with the ball. Alongside Wasilewski he was easily our best player on the pitch.
Manwell Pablo Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 Cattermole was an example. He was a 'type'. I must have made this clear possibly 30 times. Why? Because you come back with the same old nonsense. Read up a page or two, you'll see what I mean. I want a disciplined midfield with disciplined players in there. I don't want fancy flicks from a box to box midfielder. I want proper box to box..a player that is fit enough to bust a gut. Such a player doesn't have to be a 'battering ram', but if so, then sobeit. I want a midfield that fully supports it's defence. I want a team that is not conceding goals for fun. If that means it might be best to play a DM off the back four, I want it. For all the suggestions of 'class', that are levelled at Esteban's performances, I'm afraid the team is losing, and losing big time. As I thought may happen, we are in a dogfight. So I want grit and determination at this specific moment in time, not 'class'. Class can wait until we are out of this position. For now, we need tough and solid, we need structure. We actually need a midfield that will WIN second ball in our own penalty area, not be second to it. Cambiasso doesn't provide this. Cattermole might have done. But it doesn't have to be Lee Cattermole. In the true sheep you seem to be, you've latched onto that, made it a joke, ridiculed it and used it as a stick on this forum. But the 'type' of player we require, IMO, is that type. At the moment, it's not Cambiasso. Why? Because we ARE bottom. Fact. I've criticised other players too tonight. But I keep on about Cambiasso for two reasons. Firstly, I think our midfield weak and paper thin with him in it. Secondly, because people still insist on seeing his positives (Of which there are some....note..), whilst conveniently ignoring the negatives. That's bias. Frankly, I'm tired of having this discussion with you. You made up your mind over the summer, so I won't change it. The proof of the pudding, unfortunately, is in the eating. At present, you should be eating humble pie. Should that change, I tell you what, I'll have a slice myself. That is probably the worst piece of writing I've ever seen on this forum in both content and formatting wise well done. We've signed a good player who has gone on to be one of our best players and because there 17 odd players performing worse than him and we are bottom as a result that means he was a bad signing talk me through that before we go any further. Look at the amount of praise he's getting in this thread, and I am apparently the one who made their mind up in the summer you wanne open your eyes and have a look whats right in front of you. As I've said several times, but you keep ignoring, our problem lies with set piece and at the back, if your too stupid to see that mr football manager more fool you, feel free to repeat yourself for the 5th time but don't expect a reply next time. Please don't call me a sheep for taking the piss out of you for bringing up Cattlemole, check back to when you suggested you'll find I was the first person to take the piss out of you and as I don't intend to drop it for awhile I'll probably be the last. The proof IS IN the pudding, the whole forum is laughing at you. If your opinions were worth anything you'd probably be able to find more than a couple of other village idiots that agree with you. As it is your just a clueless footballing non entity merely around for the entertainment of others, at least a troll winds people up on purpose for a laugh, the sad thing is you actually believe the rubbish you put on here. For the love of god, learn how to at least put a piece of writing into some sort of readable format.
MC Prussian Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 Can someone please inform MC Prussian (if his posts relate to mine), he's on ignore and I'm not reading them. The forum at large deserves to not have to read any more of our tete a tetes. So you are reading my posts. What do you use the ignore button then for? Pretending to ignore me? Bloody hell.
Guest Col city fan Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 Anyone who has anything to say other than praise for Cambiasso tonight then quite frankly they know **** all about football. Yes he missed the chance from Mignolet's mistake, but it was only his quick reading of the play and anticipation of movement that got him in that position. Other than that he ran his bollocks off for the side and was always tidy and creative with the ball. Alongside Wasilewski he was easily our best player on the pitch. You keep banging that same old drum, I wont abuse you by saying you know nowt, you probably do. But the team, with Cambiasso in it, and many feel is our best player, is frankly woeful. We will be related without changing what we are doing. I've said how I think we should. Others will have their own views. At this rate, people will be going on about how good Cambiasso is when we are effectively related by February. We need changes.
inckley fox Posted 3 December 2014 Posted 3 December 2014 Absolutely not. I fully expect to read down a few posts and see the professor blame him for that goal but unless your suggesting every player in our midfield should be man tight and goal side in the expectation that Wes Morgan is going to clear directly to their feet you've got no case at all. His biggest failure tonight was not putting that chance away, aside from that he was, yet again, among our best players. Spot on. Not to say he couldn't do with Col's enforcer in there alongside him, but for me the problems didn't lie with Cambiasso tonight. Someone was saying the other day that if we'd learned to take set pieces in the summer, then we'd have had 2-4 more points at very least from this poor run. Perhaps if we'd picked those 2 or 4 points up then Morgan and Schmeichel wouldn't have looked so utterly bereft of confidence tonight. Their errors were the difference. Other than that, it really could have gone either way.
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