Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 In principle, I fully support it. How irresponsible and utterly selfish can parents get? Smoking in a confined space with a child on board is disgusting. As already stated, trying to actually enforce this will be difficult. Does it fall to the council or an already overstretched police force? Should wind the windows down and let them breathe in that fresh city traffic jam air.
Bettsj2 Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 Knowing what we know about smoking and passive smoking, its quite amazing that cigarettes are still legal at all. The fact that some people are complaining against this suggests that it does really need to be made illegal.
inckley fox Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 Should wind the windows down and let them breathe in that fresh city traffic jam air. I'm not a fan of anecdotal evidence in this type of discussion, but I remember sitting in a pub with a friend before I quit, and before the ban, and someone leaned over and told me that I was polluting her family's air. I pointed out that there was an empty no-smoking area over there, but she said she should be able to sit where she wished. So I got into a bit of a debate and ended up telling her that her burgeoning family (I didn't have kids), their two cars (I didn't have one), the energy they use, the waste they leave behind, the dog they take for a walk every day all added up to a lot more than my cigarette, and whereas she could simply walk ten metres to the no-smoking area, there was absolutely nowhere I could go. It was a bit like something out of Utopia, come to think of it.
foz.foz Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 Knowing what we know about smoking and passive smoking, its quite amazing that cigarettes are still legal at all. The fact that some people are complaining against this suggests that it does really need to be made illegal. £££'s it raises in taxes Sent from my Oneplus One
inckley fox Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 Knowing what we know about smoking and passive smoking, its quite amazing that cigarettes are still legal at all. The fact that some people are complaining against this suggests that it does really need to be made illegal. Do we ban everything on the grounds that it's unhealthy and unnecessary? Because if we were to do that then a lot of foods which kids find on their plates every day should also be banned. So should most of the pets they keep, the drinks they drink, the games they play... And they 'need to be made illegal' altogether? Of course they don't. The world is full of things which are unhealthy, we can't eliminate all human choice on the matter. Why do we make cars that go faster than the speed limit? Why do we have fast food restaurants? Why do we allow loud music at concerts? Why do we let anyone work in a mine? And alcohol?
SamW Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 Easy solution: Put the children in the boot. On a serious note, I don't see how this can be enforced. Take cycling on pavements for example. It's been illegal for 182 years and people still do it. People still use mobile phones when driving and still don't wear seatbelts.
Itsthejoeker Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 Is it illegal to drive without shoes on?
Bert Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 Knowing what we know about smoking and passive smoking, its quite amazing that cigarettes are still legal at all. The fact that some people are complaining against this suggests that it does really need to be made illegal. The government are never going to make smoking illegal because it's massive for them.
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 I'm not a fan of anecdotal evidence in this type of discussion, but I remember sitting in a pub with a friend before I quit, and before the ban, and someone leaned over and told me that I was polluting her family's air. I pointed out that there was an empty no-smoking area over there, but she said she should be able to sit where she wished. So I got into a bit of a debate and ended up telling her that her burgeoning family (I didn't have kids), their two cars (I didn't have one), the energy they use, the waste they leave behind, the dog they take for a walk every day all added up to a lot more than my cigarette, and whereas she could simply walk ten metres to the no-smoking area, there was absolutely nowhere I could go. It was a bit like something out of Utopia, come to think of it. Yeah, it's the way it is. I'm not saying people should smoke in cars with kids in them (of course they shouldn't), but there are plenty of things around just as harmful, less harmful, more harmful, the smoking thing has become something it shouldn't be (in terms of how big an issue it is to so many people and how strongly they feel about it), it's just a load of rubbish. I quit smoking a while ago but I'd still have it in pubs. Fact is some people will be offended by people smoking around them and some won't, no amount of debate is ever going to change people's minds on this issue, nobody will ever convince someone who thinks their rights are being impeded by you smoking around them that they're wrong, and vice versa. But **** it, make another law, that'll sort it.
The Guvnor Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 Is it illegal to drive without shoes on? Only if you have a cigarette between your toes.
lavrentis Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 would be difficult to enforce but can see the reasoning
Thracian Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 Bloody good job. I can't even stand it around me in the open air. Addiction? It's all in the mind so the choice is yours. You wouldn't put your head in a fire so why fill your lungs with shit and to the cost and discomfort of many you come across at the time?. As for people smoking in the presence of their babies and children - words fail me. Ah, say some, but smoking "calms the nerves." Well, I've never noticed it among the nervy people I know. They're always on edge whether smoking or not. And there are other much less harmful things that can calm the nerves anyway. It's more a "social belonging" thing to me. One that does immense harm and costs the NHS and its customers in all sorts of ways. I can't think of a good thing to say about smoking and still can't believe any Government allows anyone to produce such a vile commodity - not even for the taxes.
Rincewind Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 Is it just about stopping smoking while a child is on board? Any distraction whilst driving can be dangerous regardless of health risks to passengers. I have been in cars where the driver has one hand on the wheel anda fag in the other, sometimes with an arm leaning on an open window. What would happen if the dropped the fag between their legs? They may look down to recover it thus it being a distraction. This should apply to a broad range of things instead of bringing in laws one at a time.First mobile phones then this. What about fiddling about with tuning on a radio or eating? I can see driving becoming even more boring. Glad that I do not now.
inckley fox Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 Bloody good job. I can't even stand it around me in the open air. Addiction? It's all in the mind so the choice is yours. You wouldn't put your head in a fire so why fill your lungs with shit and to the cost and discomfort of many you come across at the time?. As for people smoking in the presence of their babies and children - words fail me. Ah, say some, but smoking "calms the nerves." Well, I've never noticed it among the nervy people I know. They're always on edge whether smoking or not. And there are other much less harmful things that can calm the nerves anyway. It's more a "social belonging" thing to me. One that does immense harm and costs the NHS and its customers in all sorts of ways. I can't think of a good thing to say about smoking and still can't believe any Government allows anyone to produce such a vile commodity - not even for the taxes. Well I assume you're also in favour of the closing of all of those arms factories that bring billions into the European Union, the beer manufacturers, whiskey and spirit producers, any food company which makes foodstuffs high in sugar or cholesterol... The world is full of things which are bad for us, but which we enjoy. Perhaps you and I don't enjoy smoking, but someone else does. But I like a drink, I like a beefburger, I have a couple of cats, I tend to drive anything over a mile rather than walking it... all of these things are either bad for me or, potentially, a pollutant for someone else. People are very good at crying 'nanny state' or moaning about 'do gooders' while simultaneously calling for anything which they don't personally like to be banned. In which case, if we make such calls based on majority rule and whether or not something is healthy, we'll have to ban half of the things out there. It's worth noting that smoking is one of many factors which contribute to people's early deaths (after all, three out of the last five 'world's oldest people' had smoked until they were in at least their 80s - so there are clearly other forces at play). I don't like it, but I respect that other people do, and I understand that I do things that they won't particularly like either. I just prefer a world in which human choice dictates what you do and don't do, rather than a government.
MooseBreath Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 Addiction? It's all in the mind I think you'll find that there's a physical element to nicotine addiction as well, and different people have different tolerances towards addiction. Some people feel the addiction very acutely. To describe it as "all in the mind so the choice is yours" is similar to telling a clinically depressed person to just "cheer up love, it might never happen"
Nick Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 If it's about protecting vulnerable people who are not old enough to make a choice - i.e. in this case, children in cars, then I'm for it. If it's about preventing adults to smoke or work in a smokey place, the state perhaps shouldn't be interfering with peoples freedoms. Do I believe that nobody should smoke around kids - yeah, I do.
Bettsj2 Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 Do we ban everything on the grounds that it's unhealthy and unnecessary? Because if we were to do that then a lot of foods which kids find on their plates every day should also be banned. So should most of the pets they keep, the drinks they drink, the games they play... And they 'need to be made illegal' altogether? Of course they don't. The world is full of things which are unhealthy, we can't eliminate all human choice on the matter. Why do we make cars that go faster than the speed limit? Why do we have fast food restaurants? Why do we allow loud music at concerts? Why do we let anyone work in a mine? And alcohol? If it's unhealthy and unnecessary then yeah why not? Human choice is fine and we should be adult and responsible enough to make the right choices but in the case of smoking, the human race most definitely is not capable of that choice. There is no good reason on the face of the earth to want to start smoking, there just isnt. A couple of posters said its not been banned because of the revenue it generates and thats probably correct as to why its not been banned. All the other things you list are unhealthy or dangerous but not unnecessary. Crap food is still food, a fast car is still a car and alcohol in moderation (like Guiness or Red wine) does have certain health benefits. Smoking however benefits nobody. Its bad for you, its bad for the people around you, it stinks and its very expensive nowadays. Why would anyone want to do it? As an ex smoker, I cant remember why I started but I sure as hell know why I quit.
MooseBreath Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 Because when you're young it's cool and being cool gets you pussi. How much more of a fundamental motivation could there be?
foz.foz Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 There is no good reason on the face of the earth to want to start smoking, there just isnt. A couple of posters said its not been banned because of the revenue it generates and thats probably correct as to why its not been banned. Smoking however benefits nobody. Its bad for you, its bad for the people around you, it stinks and its very expensive nowadays. Why would anyone want to do it? As an ex smoker, I cant remember why I started but I sure as hell know why I quit. Edited your post a bit but actually..... http://health.howstuffworks.com/wellness/drugs-alcohol/nicotine-health-benefits.htm I remember years back on a radio interview some Dr say the best time to take up smoking was around 65 - 70 as the nicotine would help counteract the Alzheimers. And no smoking around kids still stands. Sent from my Oneplus One
Guest MattP Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 I usually have one cigar a year, I don't think I've had one yet in 2014. I've got a Cohiba upstairs that I might have tonight, no better time I suppose to celebrate US-Cuban relations. I can't believe anyone would think about banning them, what about the people who smoke rarely for pleasure or have the occasional social fag? Let people make their own bloody decisions in life, stop trying to make them for them.
Strokes Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 There are some facist fuks in this thread, just because you see no point in something doesn't mean it should be banned. People shouldn't need telling not to smoke with kids in close proximity.
davieG Posted 18 December 2014 Author Posted 18 December 2014 There are some facist fuks in this thread, just because you see no point in something doesn't mean it should be banned. People shouldn't need telling not to smoke with kids in close proximity. Most things that are deemed illegal are laws because people do them from murder to dropping litter even though they shouldn't need telling. Not that I think this is worth doing.
Stadt Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 There are some facist fuks in this thread, just because you see no point in something doesn't mean it should be banned. People shouldn't need telling not to smoke with kids in close proximity.People shouldn't need telling not to smoke with kids around but there's arseholes out there that do and if this deters them then it's a good thing (however unlikely).
LCFC Rennie Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 Is it illegal to drive without shoes on? Surprisingly no. However if your feet are wet, then it is illegal.
z-layrex Posted 18 December 2014 Posted 18 December 2014 You're a shitty parent if you let your kids breath your fag smoke anyway.
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