Are we scarred as fans by previous managerial changes?

[Babylon]

Which Leicester City sackings have been bad sackings? Why would we, as a set of fans, be averse to the idea?

In 1987 the sacking of Hamilton led to us climbing out of relegation trouble and having a strong end to the season.

In 1991 the sacking of Pleat led to survival, then Little, then the biggest resurgence in the club's fortunes ever.

In 2001 the sacking of Taylor came too late if anything. Either way, he was our most disastrous ever manager and fully deserved the sack.

In 2006 the sacking of Levein led to us climbing out of the relegation zone and staying up.

In 2007 the sacking of Allen came after one of the worst summers of business in our history, and his subsequent career hardly suggests he would have taken us forward.

In 2008 we sacked Holloway, who we probably should have sacked earlier, and came straight back up, making us an attractive option for our current owners.

In 2011 we sacked Sven, improved on our league placing and ultimately got promoted under Pearson.

So which sackings have we been stung by?

And who does that leave out? Rob Kelly is quite possibly the only manager who, in the past thirty or forty years of serving p45s, it hasn't been demonstrably a good idea for us to get rid of. And he was hardly an icon.

And let's not confuse people calling to fire O'Neill after just eleven games at the club with people calling to fire Pearson, the third or fourth longest serving manager in this division, seventeen games into his fourth season at the club.

He did say previous changes that have been disastrous, not sackings that have been disastrous. So you did provide a good list of the bad changes.

[inckley fox]

I want Pearson to stay because he deserves our loyalty after turning our club around and he has proved that, as a club, we are going in the right direction. If we keep Pearson we'll be more than likely able to keep the players if we get relegated, we can strengthen and come back stronger.

 

Change Pearson and it'll be another 10 years in the abyss.

 

This is just supposition. Why on earth would you unconditionally employ a manager? His record has been appalling at this level.

 

Our ten years 'in the abyss' was a consequence of poor financing, not moving managers on quickly enough (Adams) and awful appointments (Levein, Allen, Holloway, Sven). Plenty of other sides fired their manager, moved on, and came back stronger.

 

But there is absolutely no reason to believe that Pearson is a man who can achieve quick promotions from the second tier, or keep a side in the top tier. And presumably these are our ambitions.

 

For me I'd stick with him and give him the chance to improve, unless the board happen to stumble across their 'answer' in the meantime. But if he were fired he would fully deserve it. And those of us - like me - who responded to people saying Sunderland was a 'must win' by arguing we should stick with Pearson, look like we were fully in the wrong. Maybe we just have to accept that now.

[sylofox]

All this hypothesising and comparing to other managers is pointless really. The only real measure for any manager in any sphere is results. Fail to get results and you're out of a job. 2 points out of 36 is atrocious honestly.

Agreed.

But as the owners have sacked TR (and yes we do not know why) Does that not say Nige was not supported by the DOF in the summer.

Why was money not spent? seems like we had money to spend.

 

They also could have got rid of him on the cheap after the fvck off n die but they chose not too.

Says to me for whatever reasons they feel he was not backed.

Thats the only reason not to sack him.

 

Unless TOP is seeing Nigels daughter.

If so she must be a great shag or the best blow job ever.

I never saw Sven as a mistake. 

Sven a mistake no open cheque book yes

[inckley fox]

He did say previous changes that have been disastrous, not sackings that have been disastrous. So you did provide a good list of the bad changes.

 

Come on, it's a list of the sackings. We can't do anything about other clubs poaching our managers (Little, McGhee, O'Neill, Megson) - something which is unlikely to happen now. We can, on the other hand, fire our manager.

[cc_star]

I never saw Sven as a mistake.

:D

One that would have finished our club off were it not for Pearson's ability to do good business for peanuts to get the club not only on an even keel but get promoted in record breaking style. Never once did we rise from midtable mediocrity despite him gambling with our existence

Sven was that good for that you only have to look at all the great clubs he went on to have huge success with since he left

[inckley fox]

I've noticed I left Sousa off my list. He hardly bucks the trend.

[Babylon]

Lets say the owners decide to make a change, who actually picks the manager? They aren't exactly football people, we've just sacked the only man who was. So you've either got Andrew Neville or an outside source providing much of the input.... Which I don't like the thought of! Who else we got on the board?

[hesapeepingtom]

Our fans nearly fvcked of our best manager ever.

 

I really am getting pissed off with this the sooner you lot get your way the better.

But don't moan if we go down anyway.

Don't moan when the new man destroys our squad.

Don't moan when he is sacked

Don't moan when we fail to get promoted

 

And last but not least Don't moan when our club is fvcked and bust and we are back on viccy park.

So your saying if we don't keep Pearson we are doomed? Then you can join Mark w on the idiot list.what a moron you are.

[hackneyfox]

I don't believe NFP would have kept quiet had he truly believed that the clubs chances of survival at this level were being put in jeopardy by penny pinching tactics of the DOF.

 

Pulis walked out on Palace because he disagreed with their spending plans, personally I admire that type of attitude.

[cc_star]

Agreed.

But as the owners have sacked TR (and yes we do not know why) Does that not say Nige was not supported by the DOF in the summer.

Why was money not spent? seems like we had money to spend.

They also could have got rid of him on the cheap after the fvck off n die but they chose not too.

Says to me for whatever reasons they feel he was not backed.

Thats the only reason not to sack him.

The **** off and die comment was an opportunity to sack him and possibly not pay his contract up.

They never took that, nor after a meeting did they sack him, instead sacking the DoF

It's as clear as things can be in football he's not going, so I don't know of why people just can't try getting behind him like they will do in January and see what happens then

If the turnaround doesn't happen, he'll go after spending money just like Sven did... But if the DoF failed to recruit his targets... He's done enough in my eyes to deserve the chance to spend

Although if I see Schlupp at LW ever again I'll join the chorus to get rid

[Mark_w]

 Megson, Holloway, Allen, Sousa and Sven is this what fans are scared will happen again?

 

I don't see how you could look at that list and not be scared about sacking the only manager we've had for a decade who's actually made any significant progress at Leicester City.

[Babylon]

Come on, it's a list of the sackings. We can't do anything about other clubs poaching our managers (Little, McGhee, O'Neill, Megson) - something which is unlikely to happen now. We can, on the other hand, fire our manager.

He said managerial changes, that includes any change. Whether we sacked or someone got poached, we still had to pick a manager and there have been a lot of appalling choices. So, I'd say those changes do influence people's views on making changes.

[inckley fox]

Lets say the owners decide to make a change, who actually picks the manager? They aren't exactly football people, we've just sacked the only man who was. So you've either got Andrew Neville or an outside source providing much of the input.... Which I don't like the thought of! Who else we got on the board?

 

They may well use consultants. I remember it being rumoured that they used Bryan Robson some years back.

[cc_star]

Lets say the owners decide to make a change, who actually picks the manager? They aren't exactly football people, we've just sacked the only man who was. So you've either got Andrew Neville or an outside source providing much of the input.... Which I don't like the thought of! Who else we got on the board?

I thought this

It's not like we could do what Southampton did and bring in a Pochetino(?)

We'll surely only have a choice of out of work managers who apply for the role rather than the ability to have a top pick of good talent

[Mark_w]

So your saying if we don't keep Pearson we are doomed? Then you can join Mark w on the idiot list.what a moron you are.

 

i dont understand whats going on at this club at all! owners who are supposedly billionaires but too stupid to think outside the box like watfords owners! absolute mid table at best with the squad we have now,not enough goals and easy to score agaist. very shit season ahead anyone accusing me of half empty glass if you are pretending to be positive your glass is half full of shit!

 

At least we're in good company.

[inckley fox]

He said managerial changes, that includes any change. Whether we sacked or someone got poached, we still had to pick a manager and there have been a lot of appalling choices. So, I'd say those changes do influence people's views on making changes.

 

Well then your concern is with our poor managerial appointments, not our poor managerial sackings.

 

The solution to that is to get the appointments right, not to start getting the sackings wrong.

[Babylon]

I don't believe NFP would have kept quiet had he truly believed that the clubs chances of survival at this level were being put in jeopardy by penny pinching tactics of the DOF.

Pulis walked out on Palace because he disagreed with their spending plans, personally I admire that type of attitude.

Pearson doesn't speak out about much and has always struck me as a man who just works with what he's got and fully appreciates running a club prudently. If the owners have us on a tight budget so we have a secure future I don't see why he would speak in public about it, privately he might voice concerns about it.

Pulis wanted spending that would potentially put them in financial problems. You want someone like that at the club? It's all about him I'm afraid, not Palace.

[hesapeepingtom]

At least we're in good company.

So what,who would have predicted last season and I'm glad I wrote that.as I said live into now.where is the progression?what have we built on from last season? Going straight back where we came from.

[Babylon]

Well then your concern is with our poor managerial appointments

Which is the question he was posing! And the point he was making.

It's incredibly difficult to make positive changes as we have found out ourselves.

[hackneyfox]

I don't see how you could look at that list and not be scared about sacking the only manager we've had for a decade who's actually made any significant progress at Leicester City.

Have you been watching them for only 10 years?

Is that why you give the appearance of being a Pearson fan rather than a Leicester fan?

 

We certainly aren't making any progress at the moment, we're going back to division 2 again and it's looking likely to be with one of the lowest number of points in a few years.

 

How anyone doesn't get angry and emotional over 2 points from 36 is beyond me.

I'm tired of mates taking the piss, I'm tired of my lad saying he doesn't want to go anymore.

I knew this season would be difficult but this is plain embarrassing.

[Mark_w]

So what,who would have predicted last season and I'm glad I wrote that.as I said live into now.where is the progression?what have we built on from last season? Going straight back where we came from.

 

 

Look, all I'm saying is, when you posted this at the start of last season...

 

i dont understand whats going on at this club at all! owners who are supposedly billionaires but too stupid to think outside the box like watfords owners! absolute mid table at best with the squad we have now,not enough goals and easy to score agaist. very shit season ahead anyone accusing me of half empty glass if you are pretending to be positive your glass is half full of shit!

 

it's probably not a wise move to call people morons.

 

But feel free to, and add as many homophobic slurs as you like in there as well, I'm sure you'll come out of this looking good.

[whitwickfox]

The biggest test now for Pearson is a serious balancing act between manning up and realising the squad isn't good enough, which means breaking it up with four or five quality players, (something I doubt he is man enough to do) or continue along the summer route and tinkering with one or two.

Two players I had great hope in stepping up drinkwater and James have both been flops. I really don't think any other squad member is good enough

[Raj]

...i can see every possible viewpoint and agree with it at the moment Im so confused...thank fook i ain't the owner!!!

i can see why people want him out and i can also see the idea in giving him next season in the cchip if he succeeds again at that level and hoping this experience will make him a bloody better manager if we can ever come back up???!!!

[hackneyfox]

Pearson doesn't speak out about much and has always struck me as a man who just works with what he's got and fully appreciates running a club prudently. If the owners have us on a tight budget so we have a secure future I don't see why he would speak in public about it, privately he might voice concerns about it.

Pulis wanted spending that would potentially put them in financial problems. You want someone like that at the club? It's all about him I'm afraid, not Palace.

If the owners had us on a tight budget why would they sack the man who was just overseeing it?

 

I don't expect the manager or the players to be worried about Leicester City, we the fans do that.

I'm happy for the manager and players to want to achieve their best for financial reasons only if that means that we actually stay in this division.

 

I don't care if the current squad bleed blue when cut, I'd sooner be winning games.

[hesapeepingtom]

Look, all I'm saying is, when you posted this at the start of last season...

 

 

it's probably not a wise move to call people morons.

 

But feel free to, and add as many homophobic slurs as you like in there as well, I'm sure you'll come out of this looking good.

I don't really give a shit how good I look on the internet.I think you plugging away pro Pearson shit and me calling people morons,we 'll both look like a couple of dick bags.