Are we scarred as fans by previous managerial changes?

[inckley fox]

Which is the question he was posing! And the point he was making.

It's incredibly difficult to make positive changes as we have found out ourselves.

 

I don't know, Babylon, I think we have made some astounding managerial appointments over the course of our history. From 1991 to 1995 we did alright. Unfortunately we have made some bizarre appointments over the past fourteen years (Taylor - unproven at PL, or even second tier, Bassett - wrongly revered for being a survival specialist, Allen - no career promotions for a promotion-seeking club, Holloway - no promotions from the 2nd tier, proven track record only with smaller clubs, no top flight experience, Sousa - never done any better than 7th in the Championship, Sven - hadn't been any good in well over a decade and had never managed in the division).

[inckley fox]

Look, all I'm saying is, when you posted this at the start of last season...

 

 

it's probably not a wise move to call people morons.

 

But feel free to, and add as many homophobic slurs as you like in there as well, I'm sure you'll come out of this looking good.

 

I must have missed the homophobia. What did he say?

[Mark_w]

I must have missed the homophobia. What did he say?

 

He's spent the evening telling me I want to bum Nigel Pearson and calling me a bumder.

 

On an unrelated note, I've had temporary bans for 'being boring' and harmless posts about an ex-Leicester City player, just saying.

[inckley fox]

He's spent the evening telling me I want to bum Nigel Pearson and calling me a bumder.

 

On an unrelated note, I've had temporary bans for 'being boring' and harmless posts about an ex-Leicester City player, just saying.

 

Oh okay, yes that's pretty daft of him.

[The Doctor]

Or maybe we've seen what Nigel has done for us, and how he has improved us every season at the club. It may be slow, it may be frustrating, but he improves us each year, and well personally, I'd be happy to give him time to do it again. His limit was league one, and he showed it up, his limit was mid table, and he showed it up, his limit was playoffs, and he showed it up - with his track record with the club, it seems stupid to jump the gun because the first half of the season hasn't gone as planned.

[gazzer]

I've noticed I left Sousa off my list. He hardly bucks the trend.

yeh he looked sh1t sat in the dugout at anfield as basel knocked liverpool out of the champions league. must be a terrible manager.

[Babylon]

I don't know, Babylon, I think we have made some astounding managerial appointments over the course of our history. From 1991 to 1995 we did alright. Unfortunately we have made some bizarre appointments over the past fourteen years (Taylor - unproven at PL, or even second tier, Bassett - wrongly revered for being a survival specialist, Allen - no career promotions for a promotion-seeking club, Holloway - no promotions from the 2nd tier, proven track record only with smaller clubs, no top flight experience, Sousa - never done any better than 7th in the Championship, Sven - hadn't been any good in well over a decade and had never managed in the division).

I agree and that's what he's getting at, recent history other than Pearson has been shocking. So I can understand the worries he's talking about.

We've waited 14 years to find someone who resembles a good manager, so people are going to be scared of dumping him in the hope of bringing in someone else better.

[Babylon]

If the owners had us on a tight budget why would they sack the man who was just overseeing it?

I don't expect the manager or the players to be worried about Leicester City, we the fans do that.

I'm happy for the manager and players to want to achieve their best for financial reasons only if that means that we actually stay in this division.

I don't care if the current squad bleed blue when cut, I'd sooner be winning games.

Perhaps that's the reason they haven't!

[Number 6]

We have a lot of people learning the Prem at the moment:

Pearson barely managed there.

Most of our players hadn't played there.

Coaching set up is also very new.

Steep curve and it seems none have got ahead of the curve....yet.

[Robin JD Popley]

People keep mentioning the metaphorical learning curve and to a degree, yes, I agree. It is a learning curve. However, how is that Sean Dyche has now seemed to get his head around this league - a man who according to our manager is in charge of a worse ran team than our own?

 

For me, it comes down to results. On that basis, Nigel needs to go. TWO points from a possible 36 is appalling.

 

Dare I say it, last season, despite romping to the league title we didn't do it without fault as exposed by Brighton - especially in that 1st game at their place. Our defending has been atrocious all season, again highlighted today by one careless pass from Konchesky. If it isn't Nigel's fault for picking the match day squad, training these players or advising our board whom he wishes to sign to fit into his plans then who is to blame? Don't get me wrong, when the players cross that white line they have to stand tall by their successes and failures but they go onto that pitch with some instructions surely? 

[The Doctor]

People keep mentioning the metaphorical learning curve and to a degree, yes, I agree. It is a learning curve. However, how is that Sean Dyche has now seemed to get his head around this league - a man who according to our manager is in charge of a worse ran team than our own?

 

For me, it comes down to results. On that basis, Nigel needs to go. TWO points from a possible 36 is appalling.

 

Dare I say it, last season, despite romping to the league title we didn't do it without fault as exposed by Brighton - especially in that 1st game at their place. Our defending has been atrocious all season, again highlighted today by one careless pass from Konchesky. If it isn't Nigel's fault for picking the match day squad, training these players or advising our board whom he wishes to sign to fit into his plans then who is to blame? Don't get me wrong, when the players cross that white line they have to stand tall by their successes and failures but they go onto that pitch with some instructions surely? 

 

Of course they do, but I'm fairly certain those instructions aren't:

 

"Kasper, make sure you don't command your area, and spill any crosses at the feet of their best players. Simpson, stand off people and let the crosses come in, oh, and don't bother with that whole being in position stuff. Wes, I think you'd be much better if you could cushion down chances for their strikers and Paul, make sure you keep hitting it back from halfway line to keeper with absolutely no power".

 

These mistakes are stupidity from experienced players who should know better, and there's no way for Pearson to compensate for moments of madness on the pitch

[Robin JD Popley]

Of course they do, but I'm fairly certain those instructions aren't:

 

"Kasper, make sure you don't command your area, and spill any crosses at the feet of their best players. Simpson, stand off people and let the crosses come in, oh, and don't bother with that whole being in position stuff. Wes, I think you'd be much better if you could cushion down chances for their strikers and Paul, make sure you keep hitting it back from halfway line to keeper with absolutely no power".

 

These mistakes are stupidity from experienced players who should know better, and there's no way for Pearson to compensate for moments of madness on the pitch

 

But in the same regard, these same errors keep happening. If today's error was a one-off then it would be less frustrating - still maddening but less frustrating. Yet when we are sat in the stands and can see the same match the management team do and can all come to the same conclusions in the ground - things like, we are missing x, y and z or so and so had a bit of a stinker today etc, then listen to the post match interviews and wonder what game our management team were watching... It just perplexes me.

 

I guess whatever happens in this regard some will be pleased and some won't be.

 

I'm just getting disheartened we are throwing away an opportunity we've waited a decade for and it's no ones fault but our own.

[inckley fox]

yeh he looked sh1t sat in the dugout at anfield as basel knocked liverpool out of the champions league. must be a terrible manager.

 

So you think Sousa was the right man for Leicester back in 2010, when a side who made the play-offs a few months earlier were rock bottom, and required Sven, of all people, to rescue them? Several players spoke out about how poor training was under his regime.

 

On top of that, the best he'd ever done at that level was a 7th place finish, and we were supposedly aiming for automatic promotion.

 

Since then he's won an Israeli league, like Avram Grant, and is doing well in Switzerland. The Champions League was great, but it still doesn't mean he was a good Championship manager. And Sven has a pretty good record in European football as well, you know!

[The Doctor]

But in the same regard, these same errors keep happening. If today's error was a one-off then it would be less frustrating - still maddening but less frustrating. Yet when we are sat in the stands and can see the same match the management team can and can all come to the same conclusions in the ground then listen to the post match interviews and wonder what game our management team were watching...

 

I guess whatever happens some will be pleased and some won't be. I'm just getting disheartened we are throwing away an opportunity we've waited a decade for.

 

Listening to the post match interviews, I think Nigel sees the same, but won't say it in public to try and keep what little confidence is left, up. Having your manager come out and say you were shit is just going to knock heads further down. But he said it again this afternoon, we're not being clinical at either end. 

[inckley fox]

I agree and that's what he's getting at, recent history other than Pearson has been shocking. So I can understand the worries he's talking about.

We've waited 14 years to find someone who resembles a good manager, so people are going to be scared of dumping him in the hope of bringing in someone else better.

 

Yes, I understand too. But I have a feeling that we're more scared of what comes next than we are of losing Pearson. It's as if we know it's right for him to go now, but don't trust ourselves to appoint any of the stand-out competent managers on the market. But I think the two things are separate issues.

[Robin JD Popley]

Listening to the post match interviews, I think Nigel sees the same, but won't say it in public to try and keep what little confidence is left, up. Having your manager come out and say you were shit is just going to knock heads further down. But he said it again this afternoon, we're not being clinical at either end. 

 

I agree with you on the highlight point; I just remember how critical he has been of individuals in the past. Remember his rant about Neil Danns?

 

It's sad it has come to this as it really has been a year of two halves for us as a club but our owners have given so much to get to this point, they won't want to let it go without putting up a fight.

[The Doctor]

I agree with you on the highlight point; I just remember how critical he has been of individuals in the past. Remember his rant about Neil Danns?

 

It's sad it has come to this as it really has been a year of two halves for us as a club but our owners have given so much to get to this point, they won't want to let it go without putting up a fight.

 

Difference is, Danns was on his way out, we need to rely on these players, at least for the next 3 league games.

[Grewks]

The major point is who do we get instead?

 

 

Look at West Brom...they had to settle with Irvine, who despite being a very good coach, has a poor managerial record, much worse than Nige.

 

 

Pulis?

 

Yes his record is impressive....but we don't have the players in our squad to adapt to his style.....He isn't gonna suddenly turn King into a tough tackling fairly mouthy midfielder is he?

 

 

 

Eddie Howe?

 

1 - Why would he leave Bournemouth?

 

2 - Why would we want a manager who is doing what Nige did....but 12 months later?

 

3 - Remember when he joined Burnley and the signings he made? What does it say about a manager when he gets less out of his signings than the man who is hired after him (Gravel throat)?

 

 

Mccarthy?

 

Again, very similar to pulis...but even less likely given the fact his Ipswich side is looking strong.

 

 

Sherwood?

 

He has done what in football management? Throw a tantrum every game and get sacked....

 

 

 

Remember the last time we tried to 'improve' upon pearson?

 

 

The one thing you guarantee about Nige is that season after season he learns....look at his signing of knockaert...we were all shocked he actually signed a flair player, the following season he signed more etc...

 

He will improve.

[hackneyfox]

Does that mean we can expect 3 points from the next 12 games?

 

Well at least we'll end up with more points than Derby, and you'd still keep him.

[gazzer]

So you think Sousa was the right man for Leicester back in 2010, when a side who made the play-offs a few months earlier were rock bottom, and required Sven, of all people, to rescue them? Several players spoke out about how poor training was under his regime.

 

On top of that, the best he'd ever done at that level was a 7th place finish, and we were supposedly aiming for automatic promotion.

 

Since then he's won an Israeli league, like Avram Grant, and is doing well in Switzerland. The Champions League was great, but it still doesn't mean he was a good Championship manager. And Sven has a pretty good record in European football as well, you know!

haha you clearly don't think sousa is a better manager than pearson. up to you. not exactly borne out by fact though if you consider his team and ours played liverpool within a few days with vastly different outcomes.  maybe basel have more resources than us. i don't know.

sousa would have come good for us if we'd had patience in my opinion. but the owners wanted to fast track success so grabbed sven.... i enjoyed the sven time when we were tearing up the league with Yakubu scoring for fun...  people on here have short memories

pearson is the anti-football. now we have brought a plastic spoon to a gunfight in the premier league and i don't know who's fault that is but it's certainly miserable

[john ridley]

It all boils down to the fact Pearson is paid to build a team to get promoted. These are his players he bought or brought through using his and his coaches experience. It's all very well getting young players in for the future but when the future comes and they're plainly not good enough he's nobody to blame but himself . He's made a lot of basic mistakes and should count himself lucky he's still in a job , just .

[ktfox59]

Reading some of the stuff on this forum, its incredibly frustrating how thick and deluded some fans are re NP and the teams fortunes are this season.

We have all had long enough to digest the inactivity of the pre season and transfer dealings that ultimately ended with the club signing very few premier quality players.

Ive watched on here, while fans have absolutely slaughtered the manager for weeks during a run of awful luck and form.

Of course now we have heard of Terry Robinsons departure, and of course while very few of us really know why he was asked to leave, the general consensus and rumour is that it was due to his inability one way or another to get deals over the line.

Now, it maybe wrong again to blame him altogether as he had Top and the board to answer to. Can anyone not think that maybe the very said board are also responsible for our sad state of affairs in restricting the amount of money spent in the window due to Svens carefree attitude to spending, signing dross and putting v average players on contracts the club couldnt really afford to sustain.

My thoughts are that they have seriously and naively underestimated the gulf in class of the championship and premier. They possibly thought with a marquee signing and a tean that got 105 point in the championship, a championship striker as well we could get through to january and see then whats neededfor the final push to safety.

We all know that we cant compete for 38 games in the premier with a virtual championship side. Without a squad of quality players we are going to find it very difficult.

The vitriol against Pearson IMO is just amazing. What is he supposed to do? Whatever formation or personel he sends out, they simply are not good enough experience wise some, and ability most.

Its been interesting to me in the leicester mercury, his extended interview, how he says clearly that its not his fault for TRs departure and that they got on very well on a professional and personal level. His reiteration on many occasions in that interview, that he is not the man to ask the questions to, nor expect answers from says it all for me.

Clearly he is alluding to something not being right at the club, and the answers lie with others. A thinly veiled pointer to the ownere. Maybe they think they are the manager too perhaps.

I would not be one bit surprised to see Nigel leave the club in the near future as his interview was so far different from a man known for keeping his opinions and cards close to his chest.

Interesting as well in the same edition of the paper was the football writer who was summarizing and commenting on the latest events at the club regarding Pearson and football in general, was the barbed observation in the very last paragraph that summed up said. Maybe its different these days in football. That maybe owners directors and the board do go out and look for players to sign.

Maybe as has been said before and shouted down, that Cambiasso was the marquee signing Top wanted, to the exclusion of other needed quality players. Now they look for a scapegoat. Fans on Pearsons back. They sack Robinson.

Maybe also Pearsons replacement is ready in the wings.

[inckley fox]

haha you clearly don't think sousa is a better manager than pearson. up to you. not exactly borne out by fact though if you consider his team and ours played liverpool within a few days with vastly different outcomes.  maybe basel have more resources than us. i don't know.

sousa would have come good for us if we'd had patience in my opinion. but the owners wanted to fast track success so grabbed sven.... i enjoyed the sven time when we were tearing up the league with Yakubu scoring for fun...  people on here have short memories

pearson is the anti-football. now we have brought a plastic spoon to a gunfight in the premier league and i don't know who's fault that is but it's certainly miserable

 

Do you think that we measure the quality of a manager is in this way? By judging how two sides, one managed by Manager A and another by Manager B do against the same opposition on a one-off basis?

 

If managers were to be judged on head-to-heads, on a one-game basis (as opposed to a comparison of Sousa's and Pearson's records in the second tier), then McGhee would be better than O'Neill, because McGhee's side beat O'Neill's side in September 1995.

 

And when, under Sven, were we 'tearing up the league'? That never happened. He never spent so much as a day in the play-off zone, largely wasted our greatest ever financial investment and was fired when we had just been hammered and were in the bottom half of the table. It did, on the other hand, happen once with Nigel Pearson. My memories are crystal clear and not at all short. Pearson was a far better manager in the second tier than both Sousa and Sven, and over a prolonged period of time. And that was the case before his second spell in charge.

 

But you've seen that Sousa has done a decent job in the Swiss and Israeli and, to a lesser extent, Hungarian leagues and decided that he's clearly Premier League material and, in spite of instantly turning us into relegation fodder in 2010, would have gone on to win promotion. Even though he hadn't done that in his two other Championship jobs either.

 

I was just thinking to myself how strong an argument those wanting Pearson out must have at this point. That, on balance and with all things considered, they represented a viewpoint which was nearly impossible to contend with. And then I read this.

[smudger63]

Reading some of the stuff on this forum, its incredibly frustrating how thick and deluded some fans are re NP and the teams fortunes are this season.

We have all had long enough to digest the inactivity of the pre season and transfer dealings that ultimately ended with the club signing very few premier quality players.

Ive watched on here, while fans have absolutely slaughtered the manager for weeks during a run of awful luck and form.

Of course now we have heard of Terry Robinsons departure, and of course while very few of us really know why he was asked to leave, the general consensus and rumour is that it was due to his inability one way or another to get deals over the line.

Now, it maybe wrong again to blame him altogether as he had Top and the board to answer to. Can anyone not think that maybe the very said board are also responsible for our sad state of affairs in restricting the amount of money spent in the window due to Svens carefree attitude to spending, signing dross and putting v average players on contracts the club couldnt really afford to sustain.

My thoughts are that they have seriously and naively underestimated the gulf in class of the championship and premier. They possibly thought with a marquee signing and a tean that got 105 point in the championship, a championship striker as well we could get through to january and see then whats neededfor the final push to safety.

We all know that we cant compete for 38 games in the premier with a virtual championship side. Without a squad of quality players we are going to find it very difficult.

The vitriol against Pearson IMO is just amazing. What is he supposed to do? Whatever formation or personel he sends out, they simply are not good enough experience wise some, and ability most.

Its been interesting to me in the leicester mercury, his extended interview, how he says clearly that its not his fault for TRs departure and that they got on very well on a professional and personal level. His reiteration on many occasions in that interview, that he is not the man to ask the questions to, nor expect answers from says it all for me.

Clearly he is alluding to something not being right at the club, and the answers lie with others. A thinly veiled pointer to the ownere. Maybe they think they are the manager too perhaps.

I would not be one bit surprised to see Nigel leave the club in the near future as his interview was so far different from a man known for keeping his opinions and cards close to his chest.

Interesting as well in the same edition of the paper was the football writer who was summarizing and commenting on the latest events at the club regarding Pearson and football in general, was the barbed observation in the very last paragraph that summed up said. Maybe its different these days in football. That maybe owners directors and the board do go out and look for players to sign.

Maybe as has been said before and shouted down, that Cambiasso was the marquee signing Top wanted, to the exclusion of other needed quality players. Now they look for a scapegoat. Fans on Pearsons back. They sack Robinson.

Maybe also Pearsons replacement is ready in the wings.

So now it`s the owners fault!  Anyones but Pearson! OMG!

[AyewJoking]

Or maybe we've seen what Nigel has done for us, and how he has improved us every season at the club. It may be slow, it may be frustrating, but he improves us each year, and well personally, I'd be happy to give him time to do it again. His limit was league one, and he showed it up, his limit was mid table, and he showed it up, his limit was playoffs, and he showed it up - with his track record with the club, it seems stupid to jump the gun because the first half of the season hasn't gone as planned.