Babylon Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Did you miss Nugent's gifted chance through on goal? Pathetic Did you miss Kramaric's even easier miss against Spurs?
Babylon Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 He then comes on with about fifteen minutes left and appears to be playing in midfield? That is how he plays, have you not read the stuff our friends from Croatia have said about him. If you're expecting someone who hangs around the six yard box or on the shoulder of the defender you will be rather disappointed. I've been through the other stuff in several other threads. People take time to adjust, if the management don't think he's quite there yet then they have to make the decision., Not based on what he cost, but based on his understanding with the others and what he's ready to contribute. As I've already stated I'm more surprised he game him a start against Man U than I am him not starting yesterday. I was expecting us to do what we did with Mahrez, a gradual introduction into the team over several games. You can argue we needed someone for here and now, that's a valid point. But not chucking someone straight in hardly defies logic like people are suggesting. And before people say "you'll do anything to defend Pearson" he wasn't in the team I selected in the pre match thread either.
Raj Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Did you miss Kramaric's even easier miss against Spurs?yep he's crap mate 3 appearances and no goals.Lets get rid and just start with 2 goal agent and 1 goal vardy !!!!
Babylon Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 yep he's crap mate 3 appearances and no goals. Lets get rid and just start with 2 goal agent and 1 goal vardy !!!! That's not what I said is it, there is a lot of people presuming he's going to be amazing right from the off. It doesn't work like that most of the time, I wish it did. New style of play, new team mates, new standard of football, new country etc. There is a lot going on that he will need to get to grips with. Chucking him in when he's not ready could potentially destroy his confidence. That's stuff that needs to be considered.
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 So because we paid 7m for Ulloa and 9.5m for Kramaric we have to play them because they were a bit pricey? This. It's a point that has really been pissing me off the last couple of weeks. If we're being frank, at White Hart Lane and Old Trafford (in particular) we've been carrying Kramaric as he obviously is going to take time to settle and adapt. So Pearson was faced with a decision of going for the old safe bet in Nugent or taking a bit of a gamble with Kramaric who is yet to show exactly why he is 'a £9.5million player'. He went for the tried and trusted and unfortunately it didn't pay off. When Ulloa was on the bench with Kramaric people were pulling out the line of "£17million worth of striking talent on the bench" but guess what? The previous week Ulloa had been dire and looked anything other than an £8million player whilst the Croat hadn't played in 4 weeks. It's just another stick to beat Pearson with and had Nugent scored the goals he should have done yesterday no-one would be battering an eyelid. I think Nugent isn't good enough for this level and have thought so for a good 18 months but I could see why Pearson made the decision that he did yesterday even if it's not one that I personally would have taken.
RedSoxUK Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Kram has had 20 mins vs 11 men behind the ball Crystal Palace 61 mins vs 9 men ahead of him with the ball Manchester United and 26 mins vs Stoke. Without counting the cup of course.. Surely he's fit enough, and he's better than any of our striking options, you can see it with his movement, passing ability, and quick fire attempts in the small time he's had. For me Kramaric has to play 70 mins starting every week, building our play around him so we can maximise our chances of scoring, and creating opportunities to score. Regardless of 'lightweight' or 'not adapted yet' bullshit, doesn't matter if you're playing in the conference leagues or in an international friendly, natural quality is present - and at stake. Mahrez and Kramaric need to be the first names on our team sheet from now until the end of the season.
Dr The Singh Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 I don't think we play to his strengths, yesterday he drifted into the midfield in the attempt to get involved, but he needed to be in the box. From what I have seen, he will do well in a club that play 2 upfront with plenty of midfield attacking options. We don't play like that!!
Raj Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 That's not what I said is it, there is a lot of people presuming he's going to be amazing right from the off. It doesn't work like that most of the time, I wish it did. New style of play, new team mates, new standard of football, new country etc. There is a lot going on that he will need to get to grips with. Chucking him in when he's not ready could potentially destroy his confidence. That's stuff that needs to be considered.i knew you weren't having a go but it won't be long before some do.When do we play him...from the start ,impact sub?...For me we start him there's no option...thats how he will learn and naked a partnership with ulloa work.Absolutely Dont understand paying that much for someone who's obviously seen as a better package than what we have already and using him in 2 league games for 20-30 mins each game...
Fox92 Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 That is my point mate, I think he should play in front of 2 strikers, he could do the CAM role Yeah I know that's what I was agreeing with. That's ok then. Good idea to continue playing him. Working well so far this season, creating all these chances isn't it Play him behind or something, that was the point I was making hence I said he isn't a number 10.
Babylon Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 I don't think we play to his strengths, yesterday he drifted into the midfield in the attempt to get involved, but he needed to be in the box. That's how he plays, the Croatian fans told us all about this. They said he's always dropping off the front or out wide to find space and get the ball.
iancognito Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 I've been a supporter of Pearson against a lot of ridiculous criticism this season but the decision not to play Kramaric was baffling. Not because he's pricey but because Pearson said he'd have to come in and make an immediate impact. We need a goalscorer.The training pitch will only help him settle in to a point, after that he needs to play. Personally, I don't think it's a straightforward case of Ulloa and one other because - goals aside - Ulloa's all round play has been fairly poor. Some of his first touches yesterday were like clearances and he's not intelligent enough to get himself away from the tight marking that he's had since about September when sides figured out how to defend against him. Too often we play it in to him and it bounces away or gets flicked on to no-one or he allows his marker to get a foot in. It amazes me how much criticism Nugent gets when he at least gets in a position to score. You look at Villa away, he was the liveliest and had a volley tipped wide. He set up Mahrez at Hull and worked his balls off. Liverpool away - scored a beauty, Villa at home volleyed against the bar and missed a sitter. If Ulloa ever turned round and faced goal he might get more of those sort of chances not the tap-ins he's had so far.
Dr The Singh Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 That's how he plays, the Croatian fans told us all about this. They said he's always dropping off the front or out wide to find space and get the ball. There's dropping, but he was playing infront of our back line, at which point we hoof into our box with Kram nowhere insight. There was no need for him to be so far from the attacking box
Babylon Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Kram has had 20 mins vs 11 men behind the ball Crystal Palace 61 mins vs 9 men ahead of him with the ball Manchester United and 26 mins vs Stoke. Without counting the cup of course.. Surely he's fit enough, and he's better than any of our striking options, you can see it with his movement, passing ability, and quick fire attempts in the small time he's had. For me Kramaric has to play 70 mins starting every week, building our play around him so we can maximise our chances of scoring, and creating opportunities to score. Regardless of 'lightweight' or 'not adapted yet' bullshit, doesn't matter if you're playing in the conference leagues or in an international friendly, natural quality is present - and at stake. Mahrez and Kramaric need to be the first names on our team sheet from now until the end of the season. Adaption bullshit... I'll let you take that up with almost every manager out there. To deny it's not a factor for some players defies logic. You only had to look at some players over recent years for us to see that different players take different amounts of time to get to grips with it. Mahrez was ready after a handful of sub appearances, Vardy and Drinkwater too a year or six months to adapt to the championship. To suggest he's now undroppable no matter what, is just unbelieveable. It's almost like all common sense goes out the window because he cost £7.5m quid.
Spiritwalker Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 I actually thought Nugent was one of our best players yesterday.
MooseBreath Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 If he doesn't improve and what we've already got then it's a poor signing and therefore poor management from Pearson. If he's a player that is going to take time to settle then given that we've in all likelihood only got him for three more months then it's a poor signing and therefore poor management from Pearson. If he played other players expecting them to perform well then he was proven wrong and it's poor management etc. I'm struggling to think of any way to spin this that paints Pearson in anything other than a negative light.
Buzzell Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 He needs games. Pearson needs to give him the opportunity to show what he can do. Feel sorry for the lad.
Babylon Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 1) If he doesn't improve and what we've already got then it's a poor signing and therefore poor management from Pearson. 2) If he's a player that is going to take time to settle then given that we've in all likelihood only got him for three more months then it's a poor signing and therefore poor management from Pearson. 3) If he played other players expecting them to perform well then he was proven wrong and it's poor management etc. I'm struggling to think of any way to spin this that paints Pearson in anything other than a negative light. Well you wouldn't would you. 1) you won't know that until the end of the season 2) You won't know that until the end of the season and beyond 3) You don't know what his performance would have been like, compared to Nugent. Who in my opinion played fairly well and certainly better than most.
Guest Col city fan Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Again. .why sign a striker who 'needs time to settle'? We don't have time. This for me is the main argument. Krammy could become a City legend. If it don't start happening VERY soon, it will be too late. I'm amazed people can't see this. 9 odd million quid on POTENTIAL wasn't what this club needed in the dire situation we are in. Unless that potential is realised very very quickly.
MooseBreath Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Well you wouldn't would you. 1) you won't know that until the end of the season 2) You won't know that until the end of the season and beyond 3) You don't know what his performance would have been like, compared to Nugent. Who in my opinion played fairly well and certainly better than most. I'm not especially Pearson out so I don't agree with what you're implying there. 1) Pearson should know, he just spent £9.5m on him 2) Pearson should know, he just spent £9.5m on him 3) We scored no goals yesterday despite creating numerous chances, Kramaric couldn't have been any less effective than the strikers who played yesterday.
Babylon Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 I'm not especially Pearson out so I don't agree with what you're implying there. 1) Pearson should know, he just spent £9.5m on him 2) Pearson should know, he just spent £9.5m on him 3) We scored no goals yesterday despite creating numerous chances, Kramaric couldn't have been any less effective than the strikers who played yesterday. 1) Of course he thinks they are better than what we have... but his will also know better than you or I when he's ready. 2) How can Pearson possibly know how long it will take him to settle. The bloke could be crying himself to sleep because he misses his fecking cat for all we know. Some people hit the ground running, some take a bit of time. It might take him 4 games to settle, it could take him 14 who knows. You get that with every foreign signing. The other options are buy an overpriced striker from the champ (would get moaned at for doing that and could still take time to adapt) or try and get someone from the premier league. Most teams don't want to sell, if they do they are often out of our price range. Do we just not bother at all? 3) Well yes he could have been less effective. Nugent created multiple chances for himself and others. You don't know we'd have even got that just yet.
Dickov22 Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Did you miss Kramaric's even easier miss against Spurs? . That was a brilliant save. Nugent was pathetic in front of goal again yesterday. Pathetic.
Babylon Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 . That was a brilliant save. Nugent was pathetic in front of goal again yesterday. Pathetic. A decent save, he had the whole goal to aim at, If Nugent had missed that you wouldn't be making excuses for him.
lcfcsnow Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 A decent save, he had the whole goal to aim at, If Nugent had missed that you wouldn't be making excuses for him. Nugent wouldn't have been there, he'd have been 5 yards away, laughing.
RedSoxUK Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 Adaption bullshit... I'll let you take that up with almost every manager out there. To deny it's not a factor for some players defies logic. You only had to look at some players over recent years for us to see that different players take different amounts of time to get to grips with it. Mahrez was ready after a handful of sub appearances, Vardy and Drinkwater too a year or six months to adapt to the championship. To suggest he's now undroppable no matter what, is just unbelieveable. It's almost like all common sense goes out the window because he cost £7.5m quid. Knockaert was ready instantly in a pre-season friendly vs Sunderland, looking a mile ahead of Ben Marshall in quality and flair. Mahrez was kept out because Dyer was still a good option, only when Mahrez came on and proved himself as a better option did we start him. Vardy's was a matter of confidence and HUGE step up, Kramaric's in the Croatia National team, and bagged goals all season in his league and the Europa league, and he doesn't look jaded or uncomfortable in the minutes we've seen him play. I couldn't care if the fee was 7m or 500k, he's got the quality to score goals right now, it would be such a wasted opportunity not to start him. Nobody is in a position to say he needs time to adapt until he's given a full Premier League game to work with that isn't a complete write-off like Man United.
Dickov22 Posted 8 February 2015 Posted 8 February 2015 A decent save, he had the whole goal to aim at, If Nugent had missed that you wouldn't be making excuses for him. Nugent has missed plenty of chances this season. I'm not gonna berate Kramaric for missing one chance. Nugent's had enough games now and he can't do it at this level. He was crap a lot of last season too to be honest. We can't keep thinking that doing the same thing over and over will get us a different result. David Nugent is a striker and has one goal. Jamie Vardy the same. They've had enough chances and I'd like to see Kramaric get a run. There must be a reason we broke our transfer record to sign him.
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