Kitchandro

Sod that. Why shouldn’t people say ‘I told you so’? I’m another one over the years who has been shouted down and ridiculed for questioning King Power. Is there a specific post from me complaining about the statue? Probably not, because if I had written one it would have been deleted. And I’m absolutely not exaggerating in the slightest there. But I can tell you for an absolute fact I was always against the kits, the statue, the trophy hogging, the stadium rebrand, the clappers. These things should have made people uncomfortable or concerned. I have been critical of most of the managerial appointments. Now our club is dead, football is dead, and despite seeing it coming, some of us had to watch it die whilst people like yourself told us we were making a big deal out of nothing. Well like societies, clubs erode gradually. I’ve had to take the stick, if people don’t like being told that we told you so, I couldn’t care less. We’re not a fanbase anymore, we’re just a bunch of people on an internet forum, and your regular condescension doesn’t wash anymore because you’re in the minority. There was no solidarity when it was needed, you can’t appeal to it now.

I don’t usually bother with the player threads but I really can’t stand this guy. Clearly doesn’t take his well paid job seriously at all. There’s so many clips of him strolling around, not sprinting to close shots down, etc. Prime example of a bad egg in a squad of bad eggs.

With all due respect, their careers are secondary to the club’s future. It’s worth the risk of knocking their confidence to salvage our Championship status. Otherwise they shouldn’t have been signed to professional contracts.

Fixed it for you. Does that wording make you feel more comfortable admitting they were all terrible?

Nope. He wasn’t the only person who died that night so it’s a moot argument for the statue. it’s not a small shrine in the memorial garden. It’s a giant statue at the main entry point of the ground. It’s the thing everyone sees when they visit it, a position where most clubs put their biggest legend. There are no ethical billionaires so I’m not interested in the posts suggesting it was his club or that he was some sort of hero for the club just because he wasn’t Aiyawatt. Being a more competent owner does not give you a right to be idolised and take credit for the club’s on field successes, which were a triumph of good scouting and tactics at the end of the day. It’s not just about Top himself, it’s the principle of the club having some pride in itself as a local sports team, not pride in businessmen that run a business.

The squad did not need a refresh because we lost to Forest. The squad needed maintenance the same as any other squad does, but there was never any excuse for being hammered by a Championship team in a local derby. Rodgers’ argument that we needed an overhaul because that group of players wasn’t good enough to beat Forest was obviously untrue and was obviously a lie spun by him to save his job. That was obvious on the day and it’s obvious now. Frankly, Rodgers apologists are even worse that KP apologists. I’m done with anyone who defends him.

What part of us wasting all our money on his signings, only for us to fall below our targets, don’t you understand? Whether you think it’s because his signings were awful, or whether you think it’s because his tactics didn’t make the most of the squad he inherited, his failure to achieve Champions League football and the subsequent relegation under his management was obviously a major cause of us now going down to League One because both cost us so much money on wages and lost revenue. He’s undoubtedly the manager most at fault for our demise. Plus, he was a horrible bloke who disrespected the club at every turn. Why on earth would feel the need to defend him?

Rodgers was the most destructive manager we’ve ever had. That’s why Top was wrong for having faith in him. He had the best squad we’ve ever had, one that absolutely should have finished 3rd twice. He was allowed to bring his own scout and players in, which is what ruined us most of all. The money we spent under him was disastrous. Worst of all, the club’s lack of self-respect stems from Rodgers. Before Top was god, people like you were idolising Brendan instead of calling for the sacking which would have saved us. He should have gone the moment we were hammered by Forest in the cup. What other club would accept that sort of thrashing from a lower league local rival, and then him talking down about us?

The suggestion from some that the players are bad so the manager can’t possibly make bad decisions shows a complete lack of nuanced critical thinking. The owner we all hate employed them all so no idea why slating the manager is considered a defence of the owner or the players. Nobody should escape the scathing criticism. They’re all earning far too much money.

There’s an element of that in the spending, yes. But the managers were not interested in ambition or standards, they constantly talked the club down. As soon as we started to underachieve, Top was telling us to be grateful. We never appointed serious managers with potential, just losers on the cheap. The players weren’t committed or good enough, and none of these people were hounded out by the fans. The fans were complicit. I’m not talking about relegation or financial collapse. The death of the club, for me, is in years of self-hatred and acceptance of disrespect. I can never say we’re a big club anymore because our own fans loved KPFC so much and LCFC so little.

Regardless of whether we go out of business, I can never say with a straight face that we are a serious club ever again. Plenty of big clubs have gone down to League One and retained their pride, traditions and identity. They’ve continued to maintain that their club is a big, proud club massively underachieving. Sheff Wednesday, Leeds, Southampton, Norwich, etc. Forest even. Forest constantly overrate themselves FFS. I’d do anything to have arrogant fans like Forest rather than cucks. Being a proud club is about adamantly talking yourselves up. None of those clubs get huge crowds compared to us, none of them consistently compete in the top flight, none of them win trophies. But they don’t accept anyone telling them they aren’t massive. It’s more than just what division we’re in, it’s the attitude of us as a club. We haven’t got one. We’re dead, we can never be proud of our club again because everyone involved in it from players to managers to owners to fans said we’re a small club. And nobody corrected them.

I’d be ashamed if I was paying to watch them every week, because that would be a personal choice to let low lives take advantage of me. If I still felt associated with what the club is, rather than what the club was, maybe I’d be angry. But there’s nothing left to be ashamed of or angry at. When we went down in 2008 I was gutted and embarrassed, we’d lost our record and given every other fan the right to laugh at us. But this time, not so much. Because that happened years ago. It happened when we allowed the likes of Puel and Rodgers to drag the club’s name through the mud without being sacked on the spot. It happened when our own fans started calling us a small club, a championship club, lucky to be in the top 5, then lucky to be in the top half, then lucky to be in the prem, then lucky to have King Power. I don’t associate with these people. You should acknowledge you’re better than the majority of our fanbase and let go. I’m no more than disappointed. This was inevitable because this is where our club believes it should be. No club with our amount of fans should believe it’s outside the top 20 clubs in this country but our fans did. They deserve this.

A win for the everyman, the little guy, as usual! It’s miraculous how the biggest owner and trainer with a huge proportion of the runners have managed to dominate the placings. ’The people’s race’ 😂

I was just thinking, when’s the last time there was a ‘you’re not fit to wear the shirt’ chant?

Really? Because I remember that side being very talented but extremely soft and fell apart at the first sign of resistance. We were never a spirited or mature side under Rodgers. It was basically our thing to hammer opposition that was in disarray but suffer embarrassing defeats against worse teams with more spirit and organisation. We had annual collapses that lasted months. The seeds of failure were sewn in those years with a weak mentality and lack of fight.

Some of us could see it coming, although to be fair this is true across all football clubs in the modern era. It was already happening under Mandaric. Even back then I could see that football was drifting away from what I believed it was supposed to be - and the clappers, goal music, standing-shaming, gold on kits, social media tone, stadium rebranding and prices should all have been red flags over the years.

He also managed to lose finals he should have won by trying to be too clever, Chelsea in the Champions League final springs to mind. Still, I do agree that he would keep this group up. Not because he’s an exceptional manager, but because he’s an above average one. Managers with personality and a tactical plan can get a few results out of an average squad and can change the atmosphere in the dressing room to do that. There just aren’t many of them in employment because the sport is obsessed with hiring ex-players instead of thinkers and leaders.

Worst team we have ever had and it’s not even close. The Leicester teams Holloway, Pleat and McClintock managed would have hammered these. Considering the quality of the opposition and the ramifications of not winning, this is arguably the worst result in our history.

Disgusting result

It’s possible for both the players and the managers to be crap. No one can say we have a worse group of players than Sheffield Wednesday. If we’re blaming the players, whom the club recruited, well, the club also recruited the managers. It makes sense that we’d be consistently crap at employing the right people. If we can’t get a win against these Rowett should retire.

This is unacceptable.

This is what happens in a system where the strongest can accumulate wealth exponentially. Football is reflective of society and all other industries. People talk of wages being the problem, that’s true but the root cause is the amount of money that the biggest clubs accumulate. Lesser clubs cannot realistically compete by spending within their means. It doesn’t have to be that way, we could regulate it or even prevent it from being a business at all. But ‘yeh, but…’ is always on behalf of money, not people. Like everything in society, football has been ruined by money. I would argue that it’s such a farce, so corrupt, its competitors so removed from the average person, that only the most ostrich-like can convince themselves it has any human meaning or value anymore. Sport, unlike society, should be competitive. But that competition should be played out on the pitch alone, not on paper and in boardrooms. This was inevitable from the moment we decided to let football become professional, though the Premier League and Champions League sped it up. Greed always wins in a money-oriented world.

There should have been far more pushback against the Vichai statue. What kind of self-respecting club defines themselves by a billionaire who turned up in 2010, never played for the club and never picked a starting 11? He was not a football person, he was a businessman. It was weird then, even when we were relatively successful. And now it’s humiliating.

It’s incredible to see a team capitulate so often. They deserve prison time.

We’re shit. Never mind about them, we need to make ground on them and we’re absolutely crap. How many must-win games have we had? Or are we just believe they haven’t considered we might go down yet? Yeh, actually, that’s what Top always says, I cannot only assume all the players assume we’ll be fine.