cityfanlee23

Just checked in, how was the first 15?

I agree, football is won on the pitch and statistics and data are what drive it off of the pitch, the point I was making though is generally speaking, xG and a whole host of other stats have a strong correlation to where teams end up at the end of the season, if you have an xG of less than 1 throughout the season, you are very likely going to end up in the bottom half unless you’re incredibly clinical with your chances. The only reason we are where we are in the league is because everyone around us and the strongest teams are losing, not because of our performances across 90 minutes. Our low xG perfectly aligns with what we are watching on the pitch.

Can we convince him to buy us instead?

If xG and other related stats don't matter, clubs all over the world wouldn't be using it. In reality, pretty much every modern football club in the top 2 divisions in Europe deeply analyses these statistics and use it for player recruitment, tactical analysis and post-match reviews. Also I really don’t understand the bookmakers comment, bookmakers use xG and other statistics in their algorithms when creating their initial price. Bookmakers in part rely on these stats to keep themselves in business. I'd be more than open to you giving me an in-depth analysis as to why clubs all over the planet are wrong for following these statistics. I'm not expecting MC to come in and revolutionise us instantly. What I did expect was for us not just to attack in the same manner 99/100. Even Enzo realised that in order to get Monga/Fatawu working well on the wings, you needed Ndidi to provide an overlap. Ndidi wasn't even very good at that role more often than not, but his sheer movement and presence often unlocked a huge gap in midfield for the winger to drive into. We don't have Ndidi anymore, but Marti doesn't seem to be instructing the players around the ball carrier to open these spaces, all we do is pass it to the wing, then A) Fatawu beats his man and crosses it into nobody, B) Gets crowded out and has to pass it back to the defence who then recycle it to Mavididi on the other side, C) Fatawu is forced to beat 3 players and shoot by cutting in and we pray for magic. He doesn't have any support, seemingly isn't trusted enough to allow the CM or RB to overlap, so we end up in this cycle of predictable play. I don't expect miracles at all. I expect Marti has considered all of this, but I'm just too stupid to realise that the solution to these problems is far too complex, and the solution would cause more problems than it fixes, but that is what he is paid to fix.

Maybe there's a bit of hyperbole, but it's worth noting I'm talking about the championship in general, not going back to the 90s/early 2000's. 23/24, Fatawu, Mavididi and Ricardo would have been good enough to get in many of our squads. You've covered strikers when i didn't once mention a striker we have being one of the best, but imo, Mavididi and Fatawu have proven they are 2 of the best wingers this division has seen, especially since we returned there from league 1. I'm not saying they go into a 10 man shortlist for best player ever, but in the thousands that have played at this level, Mavididi/Winks/Fatawu/Ricardo/Monga (still early days) would be in the top 40 imo. We can argue semantics now about what defines the "top 40" etc etc, but it's probably easier to just say that with Mavididi, Winks, Monga, Fatawu, Ayew and Ricardo, this team should not be struggling to create clear cut chances, and I'm of the opinion that whilst these players have flaws, the system is the biggest thing holding them back right now.

Playing Monga is inevitable he doesn’t really need to be in this discussion because he’s miles clear of most players in the squad. Nelson has been dropped for “tactical reasons” Aluko hasn’t made a championship appearances, he was on the bench for 2 games and didn’t get any minutes, and Paige played 55 mins in 2 games, then hasn’t even been selected for the last 4. It starting to look very clear to me that MC doesn’t rate Aluko, Paige or Nelson.

Oh it's not solely down to the manager, absolutely not, the players we are still stuck with needed to be moved on years ago, but the system is a large part of it, we have been toothless I completely agree, but since Rodgers left, we had Enzo who proved we could score goals at this level (even if I wasn't a fan of the style), and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who thought that Ruud or Coopers tactics were any good. The issue is, we have massively dropped down in class, yet our goalscoring chances are still woeful. The players are a huge issue, but Winks, Mavididi, Monga, Fatawu, Ricardo, even Ayew are all good enough to produce goals at this level, the system is currently massively holding these players back, and the players take the rest of the responsibility.

I think anyone who frequents this place enough knows I absolutely hate modern possession football, and I think it's killing the sport from a raw entertainment perspective. I can appreciate the tactical principles and why coaches do it, but I watch football to be excited for 90 minutes, not 10 minutes. I was fully on board with Danny Rohl coming in, he represents much of what i wanted as a fan, but when that fell through and Marti arrived, many of our fans who are more knowledgable tactically than me started deep diving into MC and what he would likely bring to us, and with good faith these people spent countless hours researching, the general consensus that us fans came to is that Marti would bring the following to the club: - Possession football with an emphasis on attack - High aggressive press when we lose the ball - An overlapping fullback and an inverted fullback that would likely swap roles mid-game - A team that will try to score another goal even if we are winning comfortably, we always want another goal (paraphrasing MC's own words) - An adaptable coach who will adapt the tactics to suit the players we have - An adaptable coach who will adapt the tactics to defeat the opponent - A coach who will put faith in one of the most promising crops of young players we've ever produced with one of the best training facilities on earth. - A coach who doesn't seem to have "favourites" and will pick players based on merit (paraphrasing MC's own words) So far, we have an xG of less than 1 with a team that has 5 cheat codes in this division, we don't aggressively press to win the ball back, our fullbacks overlap maybe a couple of times per game, we do not try to attack heavily until the last minute, we recycle and pass sideways even when chasing because 100% possession and a draw seems more valuable than 50% and a win, Marti doesn't adapt the tctics to suit the players, he forces the players to follow the system and simply swaps out players mid game into the same role, often leading to players like Skipp getting completely lost, we play the same system regardless of opponent, and attack in the same predictable way, Nelson, Aluko, Paige all dropped in favour of the players who got us into this mess, and players like Ayew (who i don't actually believe has done much wrong, he's just being woefully misused) picked week in week out. I didn't want this style of football, but I was sold on the idea (and believed) that this one would be different. I keep reading "once it clicks", "he's building something", "he needs time". To do what? Why does he need "time" to realise that Skipp and Soumare weren't working, that playing Ayew 30 yards from goal will result in a lack of goals? to realise that attacking from the wing with no overlap and no central midfield bombing forward would result in a lack of clear-cut chances? I'm not a coach, i'm an idiot, but how can so many fans see this but the manager never can?

I don't think it matters if we have a striker or not, we don't utilise them. All we do is push it to the wingers and tell them to either whip a cross in to nobody, recycle it back and pass sideways another 20 times, or the winger cuts in and blazes it wide. Ayew is not the goalscorer we need, but he's perfectly capable of 10+ goals in this division if he's allowed to enter the box. The way our system plays, every time Ayew receives the ball he has his back to goal and is 30+ yards out, we don't have goalscoring strikers because Marti is stopping them being goalscoring strikers, he doesn't play a system that allows them to play on the shoulder or burst into the box, he instructs the team to pass it around as a snails pace and allow the opposition to put 5 players in the box. I feel sorry for Ayew at the moment, he's a scapegoat for an awful tactical system.

I think many expected us to be somewhere around 6th at this stage a few months ago, but that's because they expected Ipswich, Southmapton and Sheffield United to be running away with it. So I think when you considr all 3 of those teams are struggling badly, this entire thing feels like a huge opportunity wasted especially given the manner in which our results have come. Personally I thought Top 2 (before any deduction) should be the goal given we have 5 players that you could put into a list of the greatest players this league has ever seen. We are 5th because everyone else is playing poorly, if we had capitalised on our matches by playing the way we all expected to play we could easily be top 2, instead we seem to be playing this boring and predictable football that many of us feared and it's costing us.

I think we all know he's got 1 hand tied behind his back, the issue is he seems to be voluntarily tying the other behind his back too.

The thing that is annoying me the most is that the 3 points you’ve made were the main propaganda that sold me into accepting “possession at all costs” football once again. And just like the last time I find myself bored to sleep yet somehow this is now even worse. Enzo had a better team, sure, but we aren’t even attempting anything, it’s boring, it’s slow, it’s predictable. All I’ve wanted to see is crash and bash football, I’ve now sat through Puel (who I defended), the demise of Rodgers, Enzo, Cooper, Ruud and now Marti. That first 18 months under Rodgers was magical, I miss it, I genuinely have to make myself watch us because I watch football to be entertained and we’ve been boring for years. less than 1xG ffs. We have Fatawu, Mavididi, Monga, Winks and Ricardo and we have less than 1xG.

I'd be happier if he just said to hell with defending, attack attack attack. Winks, Mavididi, Monga, Fatawu and Ricardo are absolutely miles above this level as proven under Enzo, they are being completely nullified by Marti-ball. We create absolutely nothing with 5 players that have to be up there in the list of best players the championship has seen, atleast in recent years.

Hate possession football so i've had a bias against his system from day 1, the only thing that stops me from publicly calling for him to go is the fact he seems to somewhat "get" the club and sounds like he understands our position, but on the pitch i'm not fussed if he goes tomorrow. Boring, slow, predictable football as I feared. I was sold the idea we would be dominating the ball in a "crash and bash" style attacking flurry with potentially big scorlines at both ends. We've been turgid upfront with 5 players you would consider "cheat codes" at this level, and produced less than 1xg in every single game, and still make mistakes in defence. Give me heavy metal gegenpress over this any day of the week.

'Smashing effort Leicester fans, now let's have a look at what you could have won'

68%

No this is amazing! We have 70% possession!!

His toothless system doesn't help. Slow, predictable.

I guess Vestergaard is this weeks scapegoat for Leicester being absolutely toothless in attack. Poor defending for sure... But we have Mavididi, Monga, Fatawu and Harry Winks in the championship and we are toothless. Same old possession obsessed football philosophy. 70% Posession. GET IN!!!!

Come January if we have the finances we could probably pick up Pierce Charles for £3-5m if Wednesday are still in trouble. Absolutely massive ceiling. Wanted him as much as I wanted Rohl. Jakub looks good enough for this level but Charles will go on to be a top 6 club keeper 100% imo.

Regarding Ayew I often feel bad slating him because I don’t think he’s generally played very badly, his game just doesn’t suit what we need him to do. If we are protecting a lead and we need a striker to come on and slow the oppositions build down and hold up the ball and provide a link up, I don’t think he’s really done much wrong in that respect, the issue is we need him to be an out and out striker and he’s just not that. I don’t think it’s fair for me to criticise him too harshly because he’s a hard worker and he’s done quite an acceptable job at the things he’s good at. Scoring just isn’t one of them therefore he needs to be dropped or we need to play a different system. Continuing to pick him then play a style that doesn’t suit his strengths is just asking for trouble.

Yeah you’re not wrong there at all, the issue is how we are currently using the possession. Usually the whole idea of possession is that you spend less energy passing a ball than the opponent having to run around moving into position, just like under Enzo we spend most of the game passing the ball so slowly that the opponent midfielders can literally walk side to side. I was sick of Enzoball for the same reason, I’m all for dominating the game if we are moving it quickly and trying to play it forward then high pressing if we lose it, we pressed quite well at times today but we were just so slow for most of the game.

Another bang average performance. The only time we play decent football is when it’s in areas that don’t actually pose a threat. We ping 3-4 first time passes around then create nothing with the overloads. We are too easy to defend against, all they have to do is force us onto the wings and double up on Mavididi/Fatawu, they are forced to either cross it into absolutely nobody or produce a magic strike. We have Monga, Mavididi and Fatawu, all 3 of them should be cheat codes in this division yet our system is currently forcing them to produce miracles because they have basically no support from anyone else. Ayew and Mavididi need to be hooked for a few games. Marti is creating problems then people are crediting him for fixing them. Absolutely hate possession football. Especially when you’re not very good at it.

Carranza must be seriously unfit or seriously poor.