LCFCJohn

Na, you can think Thomas is bad whilst appreciating others have been worse. Thomas has at least had good games for us, albeit not often enough and has had some contributions going forward. Not saying it’s anywhere near enough but Kristiansen has done literally nothing whilst being as poor defensively when he has on the odd occasion, made himself available to play. And he cost something like £17mill! McGivern we were at a different level as a club and expectations but yeah also poor. Probably the worst 3 either way. Oh for a Fuchs or Berner type now….even Powell. Those kind of characters.

The question would be, now Sheffield Wednesday are sorted with owners, no points deduction and I believe freedom back in the transfer market, why would they not look to keep him? They are a now a more attractive prospect than us for next season and will most likely have a better season than us so I’d question why they would not keep him and if they do want to, why he would leave them for us. Impressive if he comes here and has Sheffield United, Sheffield Wednesday, Derby, Forest and Leicester on his CV though!

Steady on, you know for them to be the second Leicestershire football team, we have to stay in the EFL! Don’t get ahead of yourself

I have just seen a Sheff Weds supporting colleague this morning for the first time since the weekend before last, when their ownership and the lack of dedication were announced. He’s absolutely bouncing. No dedication, new ownership putting in a structure, which they have announced to the fans, able to sign players again and looking forward to next season. But oh yeah, we have to be ‘careful what we wish for’ because this guy is the son of the guy who happened to own the club when we won the league…. Literally I am so envious of Wednesday right now with their future so bright.

Plus the timeframe being talked about was more the mid-80’s and 90’s when mining had stopped so all this mention of pits and the 70’s is actually far from the point as that is the generation before the one being discussed who did have it tougher.

Odds tend to be based more on size of club and ‘names’. Back in the real world, we have to be more likely to go down than get automatic promotion. Not to say we will go down, but more to illustrate that automatic promotion shouldn’t be in anyone’s thoughts, well not that doesn’t want to be massively disappointed that is. Do you know for certain there aren’t going to be any further points deductions? That is the big one for me. Whilst nothing surprises me with this iteration of the club, if we can’t stay out the bottom 4 on a level playing field in League 1, the club does need to go pop and start again. But we have a constant fear of dedications hanging over us until the club take responsibility, and actually stop f***ing up!

I think a problem is, there are some players we have just broken. So even though ability wise, they would be more than good enough for League 1, they probably need to move on so that the player get a fresh chance elsewhere and we have someone new in. Jakub is one of those for me. Clearly not a bad egg, tries but just lost confidence more and more as time went on. Fans lost confidence and only has a year left on his contract so it makes sense to cash in even though it’ll only be a very small amount. Same applies to Nelson. The rest were either the actual kids who didn’t get much of a chance anyway like Page and Aluko or were senior players who all let everyone down massively and who I think we’d all be happy to see the back of any of them!

FYI, I never said anything about the 70’s. I was talking mid-80’s and 90’s. I was born early 90’s and I just think the 90’s into the 00’s was the best decade and for those building their adult lives, careers and families during that time as well. I agree with you about mental health being an issue. But things like social media/AI are a massive reason for problems with mental health. I’m pleased to have been the last generation to really have a proper childhood without it all but it nowadays makes parenting a completely different ball game to our parents in the 90’s/00’s. The point at hand, during the mid-80’s/90’s and into the 00’s up until the crash around 07, working hard gave you much better rewards in terms of career progression, property and overall financial health (as I witnessed with my own family) than it does now. We work just as hard as our parents did but getting to the points in our careers we have now has been a real effort due to the competition for roles and the expectations of employers. For example, certain skills they expect you to have without being willing to give you a chance such as line management. Where are you going to develop that skill when you can’t get the opportunity to? Every generation has its challenges but I know which one I’d have liked to be to have had the most rounded and least challenging time…

Whereas the difference now is, you can do those courses and still not get employment. Any role has maybe 150 applicants at least. Look, I’m approaching mid 30’s, own my home, 10 years into the mortgage already and we both have jobs that are above average pay and our family. I’m not bitter or unhappy. But this is no longer possible without both working full time. When I was young, my mum only had to work a few hours during school times (which seemed easy for mums to get these roles back in the 90’s) and the 4 fed detached house, cars and holidays were funded from that full time income.

Problem is, can we even be confident that no further points deductions are on the way? Not talking if we went into administration but just this ongoing breaking of PSR. Because we get nothing from the club, we have no idea what they are thinking, whether they even have a plan, whether we are on an even footing points wise for the coming season. With that and their proven record at appointment awful managers and terrible transfers, it’s expect the worst unless given reason to see otherwise really.

Until you think who is responsible for selecting and appointing those you have mentioned…. Then it’s very obvious to circle back to doom and gloom!

I think a lot of that generation, I include my own parents, had things very easy. They grew up in the 70’s and entered the workforce/housing ladder in the 80’s and fit the stereotypical boomers getting everything easily like career progression and lack of having to worry about constant restructures like we do now. My in-laws of the same generation are much more modest in terms of their working lives and property. When the Brexit vote was approaching, my in-laws said to my wife and I, what do you want us to do. It’s your future and we want to make sure we do what will benefit you. They voted remain as did my wife and I. We had researched into it and knew it’d be a disaster. My parents voted leave for no other apparent reason than immigration…. It’s so refreshing you are concerned about those younger than you that will have to deal with the consequences. Good on you

Clearly frozen between panic and denial.

If any of them like Page get any offers to move, even to the Championship let alone Man Utd, let’s be honest, they’d be daft not to. The one benefit of our decline on the pitch should be a better pathway to first team football. But we are a thoroughly bad club at developing them and have a fan base who seem to bizarrely, be ashamed of youth prospects being in the side rather than taking pride in it. We will also likely not be focusing on a new manager who prioritises youth. Objectively, what is there to stay for?

I, like you, thought Rowett would be alright and do the job. He massively disappointed and shouldn’t be in the job next season. He has proven he is no good with youth as well which is what we need. I agree with you that he had none of the luck Marti did and missed James for most of his time. I wonder where by the time he joined, even thought xG improved, we were creating chances and did at least keep a few clean sheets in the end, whether the period with Marti’s last couple of games and King’s time in charge just finished the team off mentally. Before that, we did pick up some results but back to back home defeats to Charlton and Oxford and the capitulation against Southampton would likely have just broken any kind of hope. But they don’t deserve any excuses making. They could have pulled up the win against Bristol City with another against a QPR side in awful form at the time. Preston were there for the taking, 2 goals right before half time after an early lead, Watford were, missed penalty, going behind after 2 minutes against Wednesday. So many chances to pick up the points required.

Yes. I am. Looking at them with a clean slate ahead and a bright future whilst we continue to fall further. I’m surprised, unless I’ve missed something, that there hasn’t really been any mention of them now having no deduction next season and starting on 0. As the other big club in the league along with us, that is worth noting as it will have implications no? People will have different expectations for us. Personally I think we are in for another season of struggle, and another points deduction would comfortably see us relegated again. Wednesday starting on -15 was a comfort based on that! But even if you think we will challenge for promotion or the playoffs, it is likely more competition from Wednesday than if they’d be on -15.

Scrap anything green - let’s ignore climate change and cause more extreme weather events and floods. Scrap NHS. Leave people to suffer and die or get into debt over health. Cosy up to Russia. Generally tank the economy and industry in this country. There’s probably more…

Different like how they’d have jumped straight into a war in the Middle East without giving it a second thought? Whatever Starmer’s faults, the best thing he has done is stand up to Trump. Farage would have us cosing up to Russia and probably let us become a US state!

I’m sure he’ll deport his non-British wife

I don’t really care for this rational thinking Raj, they had a generational opportunity to put Spurs on the bring and f***ed it! Teams have had penalties for fielding such changes sides haven’t they before? Wolves come to mind. But they are safe in the top 5 so even a penalty they’d probably take.

To be blunt, I don’t give a crap if people who vote for them suffer. I care if those of us who won’t go near voting for them do. If you’re stupid enough to vote for a one issue party, essentially out of racism, without having a clue about the rest of what they stand for, you deserve what you get. Make your bed and all that.

I think I am erring towards Freiburg. I don’t have an issue with Villa as such but after that side they put out that rolled over for Spurs, I think I am preferring that they dumped Forest out to get pumped in the final! They could have been hero’s had that they beaten Spurs and Forest…

I previously felt like this but not now, or in this case anyway. I’d be happy for Palace to win as it would be justice for them being bumped down and a kick in the teeth for Forest. I’d be happy to see Villa get pumped by Freiburg in their final as they gifted those points to Spurs last week! In terms of how it stacks up with our achievements, nobody else has come close to the league title but Newcastle and Villa swiftly qualified for the CL after we failed, West Ham the Conference league after after we failed and Palace already won the FA cup (obviously the only thing we did fail on). At this point, the club and the loyalists have been dining out on finishing 5th and the Conference League semi final as though they are achievements like the league and cup. The more clubs like West Ham and Palace winning the FA cup/conference league, or Villa if they do win the Europa League (as well as having finish top 4 as with Newcastle), it further shows that the European runs of ours and the 5th place finishes were in fact failures and it is not ‘entitled’ to say that when any other English club put in these positions seems to out do us!

It works the other way as well though. We have given managers too much control and ended up with a squad of misfits signed by numerous former managers. Look at our bomb list now, goes back to Kristiansen/Faes (Rodgers), Winks (Maresca), Skipp/BDR (Cooper), Coulibaly (RVN). By the time we got to Cifuentes, we clearly haven’t had a pot to piss in for any signings so it’s stops there. But that’s an issue in itself, we reached a point where we brought a manager in who wouldn’t be backed at all. Vestergaard is a special case that goes back to Rodgers and was doubled down on by Maresca! This season, we’ve even had Ricky stinking the place out from back in Puel’s day! Well run clubs like Brighton and Brentford have a structure in place where the manager is brought in to fit this. Transfers then have consistency and even if the manager gets his say from targets, the playing squad would be structured in a way that another manager/coach would be able to come in and take over. We've never had that structure under KP at all. We dined off one excellent manager and his team who put that in place and then lived off the big sales for a few years while pissing money up the wall on crap going back to the summer of 2016 and allowing the structure behind the scenes to be pulled apart. And that isn’t just on Aiyawatt, that all started/happened under Vichai.

If he came out and called the club out and said to the Danish media he is unhappy as the club is toxic and it has affected him mentally, and he wants to play regularly where he can be happy, I’d have respect for him calling it out. This quote is arrogance.