LCFCJohn

Well, I’m just obviously not feeling as sentimental as others because I am just seeing a highly paid player who has been awful on the pitch and looking forward to him leaving. I don’t buy this legend stuff either. I’m not sure anyone since the title winning side can be classed as a legend. Tielemans for scoring the winning FA cup goal? Maybe, but contributed to us getting relegated soon after. Even in 23/24, my overriding memories are frustration as the likes of Bristol City, Millwall and Plymouth getting behind us and beating us with ease through the space in our defensive right channel where Ricardo wasn’t. Granted that was the tactics from Maresca but as something who thinks a successful side starts with being defensively sound, seeing us give away such cheap goals was very frustrating. My view is that recruitment has declined going back to 2016 after the title win and has been downhill since. Players like Ricardo and Maddison were good signings as they were (both derailed by injuries) technically very good PL players (not world class). But they have also been a symptom of our demise in that even during our good years under Rodgers, it was technical ability at the expense of mental fragility, hence blowing top 4 twice, weak performances in Europe and the subsequent relegations. Although Ricardo wasn’t available during much of that earlier on due to injuries, the ‘leadership’ he has shown the last 2 seasons shows he also fit this description. He seems like a nice guy and I hope he gets a couple of years or so maybe back in Portugal to enjoy his football as he’s had really awful look with injuries. But I just think it’s being over done and symptomatic of this club under KP (including Vichai) to give hand out to players who aren’t contributing.

Another year older? Factually true but he has just turned 22! As a defender, he’s a number of years off hitting his peak. Zero chance Nelson stays for next season. Football scouts and clubs will look at more than a poor run of form in a toxic club in which only one player could hold their head high this season. Some players continually fail and get moves (mostly to us to be fair ) or fall upwards. Those in charge of transfers at well run clubs will see a player who has just turned 22, players well anywhere else he has been and see that he could be picked up for no more than about £2 million due to his contract running out next year. Of course there will be many Championship clubs interested and probably PL clubs as well (not saying Chelsea etc) but lower PL clubs who might even see a longer term investment to give him another loan to the Championship. He’s not playing in L1 for us anyway. Not with a year left. You’re probably right about Thomas (in your last post not this one) but even Stolarcryk, a year left, someone will punt about £500k for him to be a squad player. Norwich were offering £4mill before weren’t they?

Got to make the most of it. Going forwards in the coming years, the only time we will get to play a Championship team will be in the early rounds of the League Cup or if we get through to the 3rd round of the FA cup!

How will he fetch more than that? One year on his contract, seemingly no intention of renewing, we’ve been relegated and desperate for cash and he’s been dropped from our side so not first choice. He might be worth more but realistically, we either take a couple of million or lose for free next year so our hand will be forced.

I did say you don’t need 4…so I thought implied I meant 3. 3 senior CB’s plus the youth back up. That’s assuming a manager playing 2 rather than 3 CB’s as if the latter then you would have to review that of course. It’s realism as well. Think of poor Rudders trying to coordinate the signing of 4 players at all let along just in one position!

Not his finest moment. Hard to say without knowing the full context of what was said in both cases. Whatever critical things were being said were probably more ‘fair’ towards Winks and co this season than having a go at Pearson who was responsible for our rise from L1 before to the PL. So I could understand why he’d be pissed off whereas anyone involved with the decline of this club over the last few years should really own that. I say that not to justify abuse either way, but more that they aren’t directly compatible.

Yeah we don’t need 4 with TWB and Gray in the squad. Problem will be, as usual, we won’t be able to act upon the free transfers that are decent because we will take so long to bring a manager in and in the case of centre back, however likely departures are, they still need to happen for us to bring numbers in. We will be scrapping around for proper bargain bin frees and loans that haven’t already been snapped up. Grim…

It could be quite likely that all the centre backs go, or at least in their own right individually. It is whether collectively that all comes together. I suspect we will sell anyone we can. Faes - doing well at Monaco and 1 year left so even if they renegotiate the optional fee down in light of our relegation, they may well sign him. With a year left, he may also move on his wages for a longer deal. Vestergaard - similar to Faes with a year left and wages. Not had a loan of course but maybe a move to Europe. More a case of struggling to see him sticking around than seeing an obvious move for him. Okoli - can’t imagine his wages are as high as the two above and has been linked with moves back to Italy. Although this one might have more of a loan to Italy with an option about it. But still unlikely to be around next season. Lascelles - not even in contract. Not to say he wouldn’t sign up again on reduced wages but I guess we count someone out of contract as going. Souttar - wages will make it difficult to keep him. You’d imagine Sheffield United being interested. Not sure what the terms would be, permanent deal and if we’d end up paying some wages etc but you could see him going. Or rather not seeing it being possible to keep him. Nelson - the easiest sale of all of them. Still has a good pedigree despite poor form this season and still young. Other clubs will see that our whole club was a mess this season and it won’t reflect on him. With a year left on his deal, someone will easily pay the £2 mill or so needed to sign him.

You’ll be fine with our fans. They have 2 settings, silent or seal clap. Clap when we concede, clap when we lose, clap when we get relegated and most definitely clap a want away player who told his own fans to f*** off. So whether the tribute is a silence or an applause, you won’t have an issue with our lot!

We’re one of the worst teams this division has seen for some time. I’d be inclined to say that we are so bad, not beating us in isolation is deserving of missing out on promotion.

Probably does. He made his debut for Spurs the season after we won the title. He’d have been in and around the first team and will have been infected by their pettiness and bitterness. His signing is a massive black mark against Maresca for me. We had the opportunity to do things differently that summer and we could still have gone back up by signing players with something to prove and who wanted to be here. And the new contract for Vestergaard. Even the good signings technically (Hermansen and Fatawu) didn’t/haven’t solved the mental strength issue. We just doubled down on the same issues didn’t we, overpaid fees, overpaid wages, players either not wanting to be here or not adding leaders and mentally strong winners.

Again, I agree in principle and I’d love us to have a United fan base. This is more damaging than anything else. Players, managers and owners come and go but the fan base it the constant and right now it is broken. But I’d say it’s still relevant. The ‘change’ campaign did not turn on the ‘KP stay’ supporters. People innocently making their point getting turned on physically and verbally not relevant? Which side of the debate are behaving like any other fanbase of a club getting run to the ground? Did Portsmouth, Derby, Wednesday, Bury etc fans sit by and say this is ok or did they speak out? Also, which side of the debate is able to give coherent arguments for their views? The change one of course. Careful what you wise for, we won the league 10 years ago etc are not strong arguments to what is happening now. Those pushing for change need to of course keep it factual and I’m absolutely not in favour of foul language and abuse and the stuff that turns many people off. Keep it factual, keep it clean. But the facts are, those speaking out for change, if done in the right way, have a really solid case. Those spitting their dummy and going out their way to attack that movement, really don’t.

All this is correct. But the underlying tone suggests that you are very much trying to suggest that the side who want change are causing this and the problem rather than it being the two way street it is. I think it was yourself I commented to on maybe Saturday, you’d have to check your notifications. But basically tracing how all this started and it stems from the lack of tolerance from those who can’t see any wrong with the owner becoming aggressive and shouting down/attacking those speaking out. The lack of tolerance from those of us who want change towards those who don’t, has stemmed and grown to the point of being toxic from their original actions.

But it’s ok for younger fans to be forced out and not accepted or get the opportunity to enjoy a fun and boisterous atmosphere because we have a older fan base who want to sit in silence apart from the odd polite applause? And it’s ok for fans to not feel safe expressing dissatisfaction due to the fear of being physically assaulted by other supporters?

It really isn’t a subject I can get enthused about. We know this will rumble on. The one positive if you can even call it that, of us knowing our fate quite early is that we have time to turn that into an advantage and get the ball rolling early. But you know that they just won’t have even accepted relegation yet let alone thought about this. It will likely be well into June before we even hear anything official about Rowett which will be that he is not staying. New manager will not be announced until maybe the second week in July if we are lucky. And all for what? We know whoever it is will fail. We’re going to do through all this for whoever it is to be binned in February time with us languishing in the bottom half. Vile club.

To be fair, it’s the clubs fault either way and nobody in the right mind can find another explanation. Either it’s their fault for breaking the rules and having the points deduction or it’s their fault for signing awful players with crap attitudes and incompetent managers time after time. Take your pick as to which…. I’m thinking it’s better we get hammered by Blackburn for maximum humiliation. We saw last season that picking up some points after an early relegation did us no good as they just assumed we’d dominate the league again and they didn’t need to invest in the squad (even using the loan market wisely if funds were restricted). Maximum humiliation is most likely to force change if anything is going to.

I have tried to give these people the benefit of the doubt intelligence wise, and have even said I’m sure most are probably intelligent people away from football. But the level of written English from people who are backing the ownership tends to be similar to this above. Really inarticulate and poor level/grasp of the language. So I think many of them are just unintelligent full stop.

Given he had said clapping those culpable, they would suggest the implication is not that the fans are more at fault than the ownership and senior management. They have just allowed it and supported it.

You’re right. Whilst I’m sure if he stayed fit, he’d dominate L1, he could easily get crocked again 2 games in and we are paying his wages for him not to play again. I reckon we’ll end up having to start from scratch at centre back anyway. They will all be looking for moves away and I could see us just being left with Wilson-Brown and Gray. So we will need to try and find a senior defender from somewhere….

You’re correct that Leicester only got 4 points in the 1939/40 season. However, given that was from a season that lasted 3 games before being abandoned when Britain entered WW11, and that first 3 games had resulted in 2 wins and a defeat (2 points for a win of course) and were sat towards the top of the first division, I think we can give that season a pass from the history books if we are looking at lowest points tallies

Hope for him he gets a move with a year left on his contract but won’t really make us much. I think he’ll go on to do well elsewhere where it’s not a toxic cesspit. His card is marked with supporters though so he’s done here.

Hopefully both see increased numbers supporting and revenue from people who have turned their backs on Leicester. Both more deserving of the support and more rewarding to follow.

Thing is, it started as people showing dissatisfaction at the issues with the club, calling for responsibility to be taken with Rudkin the main target. At the start, nobody was calling directly for KP to leave nor mocking the other fans, I.e KP etc now. This was met with aggression by those venomously defending the ownership, including physical assault and ripping banners away etc. As things have got worse, KP themselves have rightly been called out but the fans who have been aggressive have been met with increasing resistance back. Unless you disagree with being the order of events, it is clear that the escalation and divide was initiated by those defending the owner (which is an increasingly odd perspective anyway).

I guess it depends what we class as relegation battle. I’d probably agree with your assessment as by relegation battle, we are probably talking about late in the season. However, was it February when we dropped into the bottom 3 under Ranieri and sacked him after about 6 winless games after the new year. Then we had a bad start the season after under Shakey and sacked him. Then Puel had us heading towards there. So although Vichai acted decisively when needed so it never ended up as a late in the season fight for survival, we never really seemed that secure. But I guess that can be said for a lot of clubs.

I’ve seen a few comments across the forum about an older couple with a grown up son who are KP. Could be….