Les-TA-Jon

9 points gained by Wolves and/or lost by Leicester and we will be relegated. Earliest we could be relegated is Sunday 13th, if we lose to Newcastle and Brighton and Wolves beat Tottenham.

Which in and of itself speaks volumes to the (lack of) strategic planning and nous at the club. The manager should fit into the culture and strategy, not be the driving force of it. Otherwise, each managerial change (which for a club of our stature occurs every 12-24 months) runs the risk of upending the whole endeavour.

Yeah on this basis, is there any reason we shouldn't be a perpetual top flight mid table side like Everton?

I think it entirely depends on our summer. Last season's bounce back was almost entirely down to the (lucky?) appointment of Maresca. To have similar results we have to make a similarly good managerial appointment and have a great window of ins and outs. Also this time, the squad going down is worse and we have fewer saleable assets

Catching up - has Vardy gone off injured?

So that's: £92.5m loss for period ending June 2022 £89.5m loss for period ending June 2023 £19.4m loss for period ending June 2024 £201.4m loss for 3 year period ending June 2024 So £96.4m over the PSR allowable losses threshold of £105m - but of course you have the various allowable add-backs and player sales etc.

Things like infrastructure, community, women's football, youth development and depreciation of tangible fixed assets all come under "Addbacks" - which are costs you can 'ignore' when it comes to the allowable losses. Seemingly anything that is a profit, is allowed to count as a profit

You specifically said that the PSR rules haven't affected us though - but they simply have For what it's worth, I totally agree that we've been a shambles for a long time. But I just see as a 'both things can be true at once' situation.

Really? Look, we've made terrible managerial appointments and some awful recruitment, never mind the big contracts for subpar players. And we've managed to get relegated twice in 3 years, whilst also breaking or coming close to breaking the rules. But you're telling me that the rules haven't impacted us? in 22/23 we were the only team in the top 5 leagues of Europe to not make a signing, as we tried to follow the rules. (We only signed Faes as a Fofana replacement, late on). In the summer of 2024 we hang the spectre of a points deduction hanging over us, which affected managerial prospects and potential signings. We were desperate for more defenders and a Vardy replacement and didn't get either.

At this point, what exactly is he meant to say in a press conference?

This is good but I think some of the players you have as possible sales will be much harder to shift. I can't see how anyone will pay £8-10m for VK, for example. Or £6m+ for Faes.

I don't particularly disagree. But what if sacking him now costs the club £Xm, but sacking him later costs £X-Ym and the club believe we're down either way, then they're obviously looking to save £££. Maybe PSR even means we need to Obviously if that is the situation, it's more evidence for the shambles that is the board/running of the club - but it is a reason to keep RVN.

How many times must it be explained? We don't know much about the club's accounting/PSR situation or RVN's contract. Obviously any manager presiding over such terrible results 'should' be sacked. But most people seem to want him sacked as a punitive form of catharsis. But what does that actually achieve right now? We are 95% down anyway Sacking him now, leaves us with even less experienced hodge podge of coaches in charge The club will likely not be in a position to appoint the next permanent manager now / before the season ends Even if they were, we don't want the next guy tainted with this season or going into next season with terrible results/form Maybe the club can't 'afford' to sack RVN in this accounting period? Maybe we have a break clause or much reduced compensation in RVN's contract if relegation is confirmed?

Probably only a max of 9 more games for us. Only 4 more possible home games, the latter half of which could play out with relegation already confirmed. A sad end. He and the club really need to (publicly) decide if he's renewing or not, in the next few weeks, so that if he isn't, we can give him the send off he deserves.

Didn't Arsenal make an official approach?

You're missing a key piece of this - why would Rohl want us over Southampton? We're in a right state - Southampton are in much better shape than us - they can probably make £100m from player sales this summer. Isn't there someone high up at Southampton who worked with Rohl in the past too?

£5m, rising to £8m if we stay up. Saved ourselves £3m by being relegated

Bloody hell...

Probably money. When things are tight with PSR and we're 99% down regardless, why jeopardise the finances? There's a lot we don't know. Does RVN have a relegation clause? Do we need to sack him in the next accounting period? No one would want the job right now. Maybe we can't afford to sack RVN, then sack the interim in the summer, then make a permanent appointment in the summer? Anyone good enough for the permanent appointment is likely either unavailable and/or uninterested. And they certainly wouldn't want to and should be starting their tenure hear with likely losses and relegation.

People seem to want a sacking for purely punitive reasons. But (even for the current set up) there has to be an attempt at strategic thinking. This ^^^

Largely irrelevant to the wider discussion but Coady absolutely cannot pass the ball as well as Vestergaard does.

Book values this summer Hard to sell: Soumare, Winks, Daka, Ayew, Coady, Faes all hard to move on without making a loss. Can't see anyone paying £16m+ for El Khannous, and we'd want £20m+ for it to be worthwhile Kristiansen, Souttar, Okoli, Skipp all virtually unsellable Fatawu coming back from injury Easier to sell Hermansen, Mavididi much easier to sell for profit Ndidi, Ricardo and Justin all unclear because signed contract extensions/new deals in time here, but imagine all 3 are 'easier' to sell and make profit on Academy products like Thomas, McAteer easier to sell, since all profit

I don't really see the irony or the contradiction myself. Betting adverts / sponsorships = betting and gambling is a service/product that can be advertised in a free market Banning players from betting / punishing them when they do = protecting the integrity of the game

Take your pic The club think he's the right appointment The club can't afford to sack him They're waiting for relegation to be confirmed because there's a clause to make sacking him cheaper They're waiting for the next accounting period to sack him Top/Rudkin are too proud to sack him They think we're going down no matter what, so what's the point in sacking him and appointing interims?

Or...1.5) The club recognises the problems run deeper than whoever the current manager is, they also see there's no point now in changing him and they also don't think he's the man to take us forward