Les-TA-Jon

Further to all of this a "season" is defined as: So I'd argue we can say that: £22m reduction only applies to T-1 and T-2, not T We were not a PL team by the time the accounting period for T-1 ended - hence our successful appeal But that doesn't mean the PL can reduce our allowable losses for T-1 by £22m, because during the season of T-1 we were a PL team

T = last season (EFL team) T-1 = relegation season T-2 = finished 8th You're right though I suppose - our previous appeal was about T-1 wasn't it. I.e we were relegated and transferred our PL share before the end of the accounting period. This very much muddies the waters!

As per our successful appeal to the PL's previous charge, we successfully argued we were a EFL team (which I think you're alluding to?). But as per the rules above, the debate isn't really about whether or not we were officially a PL or EFL club at the end of the previous accounting period. It's about which years the EFL reduction apply to or not. The rules cleary say they apply to years 2 and 3 of each rolling period, not to year 1.

Not particularly? We had to submit by 31/12/24. The PL has to respond within 14 days. That's the 14/01/25 So unless it's kept in-house for a while, we'll find out tomorrow/this week?

The PL handbook is here: https://resources.premierleague.pulselive.com/premierleague/document/2024/12/11/e9aa1b9e-a7d5-4788-8afe-6e07b8a5f5fc/TM1603-PL_Handbook-and-Collateral-2024-25_11.12_DIGITAL.pdf Page 99 Page 103 Page 135 So for this period which we're currently reporting on: T = year ending June 30th 2024 T-1 = year ending May 30th 2023 T-2 = year ending May 30th 2022 We were only in the Football League for "T" not "T-1" - doesn't Rule E.54 plainly state that the £22m reduction for allowable losses will not apply? EDIT: I think the above clearly shows that last season (T) won't be reduced by £22m (even though we were part of The Football League). But as @filbertway rightly points out, our previous appeal hinged on us successfully arguing that by the end of the accounting period for the relegation season (T-1) we were part of The Football League, not the Premier League. Therefore, surely, our allowable losses will be reduced by £22m? (Unless 'for each season covered by T-1...in which the Club was in membership of The Football League" is contestable. Because that season wasn't covered by us being an EFL team. It was only a small portion of it?)

At least one year it hovered and spun on the spot so the guy could wave to the whole stadium. Crazy really.

First image is AI anyhow

Isn't part of the issue that even if the club thinks it's passed, it doesn't really matter, because the whole system is so interpretive and so if the PL thinks we've breached, then that's what matters. And we won't know that until next week?

Crazy if true - they're grinding out results!

Hang it in the Louvre

So everyone saying ‘terrible lineup’ they just mean Ayew over Buononotte, right? Because I’m not sure how else it could be particularly different?

Do we know if Vardy was offside when put through and fouled by Ortega? Was Buononotte tripped in the box?

Forest only needed 27 points to stay up last season. The lowest ever. The last 10 years required to stay up: Low: 27 average: 34 High: 38

Across every twenty team PL season, the number of wins for teams finishing 17th: Low: 6 Average: 9.1 High: 11 Given how poor the bottom 4-5 are, I’d wager the team finishing 17th will require 7-9 wins The ‘18th place +1 point average’ is 35.8 points

I’ve never ever left early. I almost left today at HT. Did leave at 65 mins.

On the other hand, remaining unbeaten in all the bottom 6 fixtures so far put us in a better position than most of them.

Like this?

He's not a miracle worker. Clear improvements in a short period of time in that first week. Squad (lack of) quality and systemic issues will take longer to address. People hope to finish 15th-17th but then also seem to forget what that looks like - teams that finish in those places generally have poor seasons, barren runs and the occasional spanking vs the big teams. We've probably got to win 1 in 4 of the remaining games to stay up - 75% of the time it won't be particularly fun.

Genuine question - how many leagues games have we won, with Ward starting? Edit: 8 I think - which is much higher than I thought it'd be...7 out of 9 wins in the relegation season.

Well only if he’s out for a significant period of time

Interested in your stats source, as Wikipedia has him on 191 goals and 465 appearances

Arthur Chandler - 1923-1935. 419 apps, 273 goals Arthur Rowley - 1950-1958. 321 apps. 265 goals Jamie Vardy - 2012-. 465 apps. 191 goals According to wikipedia. Although some here saying he's on 195 or 196 goals. Don't see how he'll score 70 more goals, so will stay 3rd. But obviously highest in 'modern era'

Wolves loss might mean they have a new manager bounce vs us though…

Anyone got a link?

Wilf injured!?