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Isn’t the definition of insanity to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result?? Everytime we get the ball I can draw you a diagram of what happens. Everytime a team sheet is announced I can tell you who’ll be the worst players on the park. This is ridiculous

How does this unchanging line-up make sense to him, when yesterday he was moaning about tight turnarounds and player fatigue??

Oh no! The wife’s now on FoxesTalk

Very true!!! You missed JJ from your list!

Or Albrighton

I’ve said it during games many times recently … I’m not enjoying watching us play, I find it quite a stressful experience. I presume that’s because I know there’s a strong possibility of us passively keeping the ball in our half, wasting the game, until they score.

Nope, not insane, just reading many people’s views so there won’t be a singular viewpoint, and sometimes both things can be true. I’ll put my views against those listed if it helps! No plan B. Absolutely. It’s rigid plan A. However for some bizarre reason he played two centre mids on their wrong side. Same tactics, just asked players that consistently play badly in that role to try again. For 75 minutes we created absolutely nothing. Had two tame shots on goal. Then when finally we chased the game slightly we missed a couple of chances. We do play it around the back, needlessly and pointlessly recycling the ball, almost playing like we’re wasting time. Then equally pointlessly loft a Sunday league percentage ball. Again we do both, it makes no sense does it? If you’re going to play percentage football do it quickly and relentlessly - 90 times a game and you’ll make ten chances. Waste time like there’s a possession masterplan prior to the lump it and hope ball means it happens 18 times and you create 2 chances. We’re top of the league and look terrible. Another example of both things can be true, however seemingly contrarian

I don’t know how it’s done but it’s comic genius!!

I absolutely believed this, at the start of the season we looked like we were improving every week. The other trope was “we’re winning without changing out of 2nd gear”. I also genuinely believed that too!! I think it’s fair to say, in the longer term, I was wrong!

Yep, Mavs / KDH partnership destroyed, Wilf / Fats partnership destroyed, so our most potent routes to chances gone. All the players involved in that ridiculous tactical switch (that’s been attempted several times and been a disaster every time) had a stinker, plus the strikers that played in front of them. That’s absolutely on Enzo. And his reason?? To nullify the threat of Millwall with the ball, yeah Millwall, one of the worst sides in the division on an awful run of form. That’s on Enzo.

Oh dear, I’ve been really trying to stay positive after such a turgid game. I’ve tried to not get sucked into the Enzo out feeling, but hearing his justification for KDH on the right and Wilf on the left was for pressing, says that he thinks their out of possession work is more important than playing in their best attacking position. Ie. Against Millwall, a bottom 4 side, we prioritise defence against attack. I thought we looked like we had absolutely no plan, no desire to attack, no pattern of play, no idea how to break them down. This interview confirms it was deliberate. Sorry Enzo, but tomorrow is the next day you threatened us with

Very quickly. Extremely fast

He looked exhausted. I actually thought his desire was there but his body simply didn’t respond to his brain (a feeling I know well from my playing days!)

Just shows we all see the game differently. I thought Birmingham were a reasonable side, certainly better than their league position suggests

Wilf looks very unfit, he made those passes look bad

Had all the hallmarks of “not our day” right up until it WAS OUR DAY!!!!

The shoe was on the other foot with Everton last season, and with missing out on Champions League to MCFC the season before.... and yet we just about managed a mild whimper rather than rage

Each domino blaming the one behind it. Leeds blaming us, we’re blaming Everton, but nobody is tackling the cause of the little dominoes falling - Man City et al

Not necessarily a bad idea but needs to be punitively large. A scale that goes well over 100% of overspend if huge… the fines / tax should then be re-distributed to the clubs that didn’t break the rules and a portion to the Championship

Couldn’t help myself!

Support - So I accurately described your view that "support" should be always positive, thanks for clarifying. Your point about the word embarrassing is fair - My apologies it was the comment above yours that found cheering passes to our player as embarrassing not you, you simply disagreed with it. I had erroneously conflated the adjacent posts. Sarcasm directed at players is exactly that. You've chosen to extend the point entirely out of context. You seem to suggest that criticism has a place but only whilst there's no game being played. You proudly cheer for the 90 minutes, possibly you think that I somehow don't? If so you misunderstand my point entirely; I'm not arguing that there is a binary choice - cheer your side or boo your side and never change sides and always do one of them. I have made it pretty clear that I don't boo our own players and don't believe that's ever productive. However, in cheering that our winger got the ball, nobody has booed their players, or criticised them.... they have expressed their joy that we have moved the ball forward with some purpose, after 30 minutes of refusing to do so. The type of supporter you are - I have made a point about cheering when a winger has received the ball ..... You don't want any negativity expressed and have consistently made that point. I'd say I'm 98% in agreement with that. Positivity is a key element of support. But just occasionally I don't mind an ironic cheer when we play the ball forward to the man in space after 1/2 an hour of ignoring him. You don't want that to happen - you want constant positivity - a relentlessly positive supporter is fair then?? I think that constant positivity is part of the problem. Choose to be offended by that if you like, that's entirely your choice. You're in the comfortable majority, most fans refuse to be critical and agree with you that support isn't support if it's not positive. Personally I think there's the very very rare occasion when that's not the case - Like cheering when our defence realise we have a winger playing after 30 minutes. It's a forum, not a court, no need to retract statements we disagree on - just discuss.

The statement started well, then seemed to lose confidence and softened. A perfect metaphor for the last few seasons.

You think that supporting the team should consist of clapping / cheering everything all the time (unless you've just poured a Bovril out of your flask obviously)? Any critical expression, or ironic cheering is "embarrassing" somehow? It's the point that many of us have been making - with this relentless acceptance ( "positive support" you think you're giving (you're not)) then KPFC can continue to mess up without fear of fan reaction, players can give whatever effort they choose, and managers can never make substitutes however illogical that may be. I'm no fan of booing or putting pressure on your own players, but not all support involves gently tapping your clapper

They're not mutually exclusive

There's a fundamental difference to how we interpret this - for me the cheers were for us using Fats. Nothing to do with Wout at all. I just don't see anything negative / childish / crap support in cheering when we finally start to use the attacking option and not the negative recycle ball. I care not a jot that Wout "gives it back" because again I don't think he did - he cupped his ear to fans - "cmon, let's hear you"