Next Leader of the Opposition

[Christoph]

Heart wants Corbyn, brain wants Burnham. I'll take either but think Burnham is the only one with a chance as long as the Rupert Murdoch empire still reigns strong in this country. 

[Guest MattP]

You do realise various Murdoch titles supported all different parties at the last election from the SNP to the Tories?

If you really believe the fantasy that Murdoch is controlling the electorate then you should really be backing Kendall.

[johnny the fox]

You do realise various Murdoch titles supported all different parties at the last election from the SNP to the Tories?

If you really believe the fantasy that Murdoch is controlling the electorate then you should really be backing Kendall.

if you really believe billionaires buy media outlets and tv stations not to excise their influence  you should really be backing corbyn..

[The Doctor]

Burnham getting seriously desperate now, offering a cabinet role for Corbyn.

This is only going to get madder.

Come on shadow foreign secretary.

[Guest Bilo]

Burnham getting seriously desperate now, offering a cabinet role for Corbyn.

This is only going to get madder.

I personally think it's a clever idea. He'll pick up second preferences from Corbynites for this and a position for him in the Shadow Cabinet may get some left wing voters to realise this ridiculous myth of Burnham being a closet Tory is exactly that.

If Corbyn messes it up, he can always step aside in a Shadow Cabinet reshuffle.

[Guest MattP]

The damage of putting incompetent people into the cabinet can never be underestimated.

Surely after Ed Balls Labour have learnt this.

Burnham is getting a reputation as a real flip flopper.

[Claridge]

Do you post this shit on auto loop or something?

Take it your a public sector worker and don,t like reality. Probably dopey enough to believe people like unions and would vote labour if only.....insert any ridiculous thought

[Guest Bilo]

The damage of putting incompetent people into the cabinet can never be underestimated.

Surely after Ed Balls Labour have learnt this.

Burnham is getting a reputation as a real flip flopper.

 

The Tories survived Michael Gove's disastrously incompetent tenure as Education Secretary, and gave him a gig as Chief Whip followed by Justice Secretary. Perhaps they're hoping for third time lucky, there must be something he can't fvck up.

 

I doubt very much that Burnham would give him a gig like Shadow Chancellor or Chief Whip to be honest, and if Corbyn does turn out to be poor at his given job then he wouldn't be the first Shadow Minister to go in a Cabinet reshuffle.

 

I'm not sure flip flopper is fair either. He's said from a quite early stage that he wants his Shadow Cabinet to represent the broad spectrum of views within the Labour Party and would therefore not rule out any of his leadership rivals being in there. The only one I've heard him rule out for Corbyn is Shadow Chancellor, largely because he doesn't see Corbyn's plans as economically literate.

[Christoph]

Take it your a public sector worker and don,t like reality. Probably dopey enough to believe people like unions and would vote labour if only.....insert any ridiculous thought

 

You seem quite against public workers. Are you against the services they provide as well? E.G. Policing, educating, caring etc?

 

If the Tory's had there way we'd all be on health insurance paying excess and premiums. Public workers really don't get paid that much.

[Rincewind]

Some time ado some MP went on Twitter complaining that  a lot of her consituents were concerned about the rise in crime  in her area  and police response time. There was a reply from a  rep of the local police force  saying that it was her government that cut funding  and the police were having to manage on limited resources. The  Twitter went  viral with hundreds of responses agreeing with rge hashtag you cut the services or similar. She may have even  voted for cuts in police funding but when it happened in her area and it affected her she plays a  different tune.

This is how it works.

[Guest Bilo]

You seem quite against public workers. Are you against the services they provide as well? E.G. Policing, educating, caring etc?

 

If the Tory's had there way we'd all be on health insurance paying excess and premiums. Public workers really don't get paid that much.

 

The sheer and visceral hatred some Tories have towards the public sector is absolutely mystifying. We saw it in the run up to the GE as well, and it makes no more sense now than it did then.

[Rincewind]

Liz Kendal is being  berated for a statrment she made on the BBC  by a few ptople.

Personally  I cannot see too much wrong. Badly  worded maybe and open to misinterpretation but nothing malicious in it or anything making her a closet Tory.

 

She said, Yrs of course disabled people need support but ordinary people need help too.

The protests are from disabled groups. I think she just meant there are other vulnerable people besides the disabled.

There is even a petition now. Most of them are Corbynites because he has spoken out at the way they have been treated and the other candidates voting for cuts in care and support as they see it.  They do not see the other  three helping them. They feel let down by Labour These  are the sort of people who voted Green, SNP UKIP or not at all. But whether there are enough  of them to make a  difference  if they get their man remains to be seen.

[Claridge]

You seem quite against public workers. Are you against the services they provide as well? E.G. Policing, educating, caring etc?

 

If the Tory's had there way we'd all be on health insurance paying excess and premiums. Public workers really don't get paid that much.

Teachers ,police,many in the NHS do get well paid, they just have whinging unions that moan that they don't. This annoys many people.

Why do you make up things like 'we would all be on health insurance' No realistic politician would argue this.

Masssive waste in the NHS needs tackling by any government surely

[Buce]

Take it your a public sector worker and don,t like reality. Probably dopey enough to believe people like unions and would vote labour if only.....insert any ridiculous thought

Shhh, now - the grown-ups are talking.

[Guest Bilo]

Teachers ,police,many in the NHS do get well paid, they just have whinging unions that moan that they don't. This annoys many people.

Why do you make up things like 'we would all be on health insurance' No realistic politician would argue this.

Masssive waste in the NHS needs tackling by any government surely

 

Not really. Teachers are pretty poorly paid for the amount of hours we put in a week, same with NHS staff. If you look at the annual salary vs actual hours worked, it'll work out to around about the minimum wage and possibly less in many cases. Unions are there to protect workers' rights in a whole host of industries and if they 'whinge', as you so eloquently put it, it's to secure a better deal for their staff. I think we're well within our rights to 'whinge' given that our pay rises stand at around 1% while MPs enjoy a 10% pay rise. That also annoys many people.

 

Of course waste in the NHS needs tackling, things like the creeping privatisation of it wastes millions of pounds a year and ought to be addressed.

[Strokes]

The sheer and visceral hatred some Tories have towards the public sector is absolutely mystifying. We saw it in the run up to the GE as well, and it makes no more sense now than it did then.

My wife is a nurse, I have no hatred towards public sector workers. In fact I pity some of the silly hoops they have jump through to maintain integrity. On occasion they can play up to their sterotypes and no offence, teachers are the worst for this.

[Guest Bilo]

My wife is a nurse, I have no hatred towards public sector workers. In fact I pity some of the silly hoops they have jump through to maintain integrity. On occasion they can play up to their sterotypes and no offence, teachers are the worst for this.

 

That was more directed at the silly statements regarding public sector workers made in the previous page.

 

How do teachers 'play up to the stereotype?'

[Strokes]

That was more directed at the silly statements regarding public sector workers made in the previous page.

How do teachers 'play up to the stereotype?'

Like I said it wasn't intended offensively. Teachers are more vocal and united with their rights, they play up to the media which falls into the public sector image the tory press 'portray'. Personally I think if the teachers chose to strike or demonstrate on training days they would gain massive support from the public and this would have and always would help them gain public support. Instead they choose days that inconvenience parents and isolate themselves and add weight to the tory cause.

Im not trying to pick a fight, I'm trying to say, just because we vote who vote, it doesn't mean we all agree with the whole direction. Im less tory than I have ever been but I'm not sure there I one party that represents my whole views.

[Wymsey]

Where's Molly gone?

[Claridge]

Not really. Teachers are pretty poorly paid for the amount of hours we put in a week, same with NHS staff. If you look at the annual salary vs actual hours worked, it'll work out to around about the minimum wage and possibly less in many cases. Unions are there to protect workers' rights in a whole host of industries and if they 'whinge', as you so eloquently put it, it's to secure a better deal for their staff. I think we're well within our rights to 'whinge' given that our pay rises stand at around 1% while MPs enjoy a 10% pay rise. That also annoys many people.

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Of course waste in the NHS needs tackling, things like the creeping privatisation of it wastes millions of pounds a year and ought to be addressed.[/quote

Nut leaders earn around 200,000 a year to protect teachers 13 weeks holiday a year.yes I know there is planning and marking to do and various governments are always moving the goalposts but don,t make out it's not a well paid middle class profession with amazing benefits.you get a job paying minimum wage and you would need to work over 100 hours a week to earn an average teachers wage.and slt do bugger all for their money.i should know

[Claridge]

Shhh, now - the grown-ups are talking.[/quote

About saving the world?

[The Doctor]

Nut leaders earn around 200,000 a year to protect teachers 13 weeks holiday a year.yes I know there is planning and marking to do and various governments are always moving the goalposts but don,t make out it's not a well paid middle class profession with amazing benefits.you get a job paying minimum wage and you would need to work over 100 hours a week to earn an average teachers wage.and slt do bugger all for their money.i should know

 

Yeah, that's utter bollocks - it's not a 9-3, 39 weeks a year job you realise; I've been to a few getting into teaching presentations over the past year when I was entertaining it as a career (before I realised that actually, I hate kids, they're loud, annoying and stupid, why would I want to work with them?) and it's important to stress that the money isn't great - getting into it has a perk if you've done the right degree (I'd get a 20k bursary for having a masters in chemistry) but beyond that the wages aren't much more than minimum, unless you end up a headteacher.

[Christoph]

It's easy to jump on teachers but most teachers work 7-5/6pm Monday to Friday. Which is more hours than the average person. People are quick to point at teachers and point at how they are moaners but why aren't they doing the job? After all who wouldn't want to get a fat salary and a tons of holidays...

 

Young teachers start on 22k once they have finally qualified. That pay isn't terrible but for somebody who has spent 4 years at university it isn't anything special. either. Being paid overtime doesn't exist. Most teachers who join leave after 4-5 years because of the stress. It's a lot of bullshit to put up. Now especially because the tories have turned school into an academic exam factory. 

 

You only have to look at nurses too. I probably feel more sorry for nurses. They have been absolutely shafted with the amount they have to work. I'd love for anyone to try and work a month on A&E on a nurses wage and ask if its worht it or not.  Public services are getting shafted. Shrink public services for a country who's population is increasing. Suppose that does make sense.

 

Anyone I'm not moaning. I remember listening to a Warren Buffet audio tape and one thing which really stuck to me was when he said, "If you ever want to be rich, never work for the government." 

 

Suppose I have made my bed for now ..

[Claridge]

Yeah, that's utter bollocks - it's not a 9-3, 39 weeks a year job you realise; I've been to a few getting into teaching presentations over the past year when I was entertaining it as a career (before I realised that actually, I hate kids, they're loud, annoying and stupid, why would I want to work with them?) and it's important to stress that the money isn't great - getting into it has a perk if you've done the right degree (I'd get a 20k bursary for having a masters in chemistry) but beyond that the wages aren't much more than minimum, unless you end up a headteacher.

[Claridge]

Yeah, that's utter bollocks - it's not a 9-3, 39 weeks a year job you realise; I've been to a few getting into teaching presentations over the past year when I was entertaining it as a career (before I realised that actually, I hate kids, they're loud, annoying and stupid, why would I want to work with them?) and it's important to stress that the money isn't great - getting into it has a perk if you've done the right degree (I'd get a 20k bursary for having a masters in chemistry) but beyond that the wages aren't much more than minimum, unless you end up a headteacher.

Average wage after 10 years is 45,000.average head is 80,0000.yes many teachers do work incredibly hard but so do many other people for a lot less so find it annoying when nut etc ... Are always moaning.