The Horse's Mouth Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 It is cute that the other 3 candidates are just using fearmongering to influence the vote
GaelicFox Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 The communist is going to win Blair will face trial on war crimes Labour will split New labour and Socialist labour Torys will rule for 20 years And the SNP will declare war
GaelicFox Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 Labour is no longer fit for service.living so far in the past So vote in a man who is a 1970's communist at heart and hope to go Back To The Future ??? Ok Doc
BoneDog Posted 13 August 2015 Posted 13 August 2015 The communist is going to win Blair will face trial on war crimes Labour will split New labour and Socialist labour Torys will rule for 20 years And the SNP will declare war I'd vote for that. Not because I like commies, but it sounds like a less boring stint than we're used to. Who is the communist though?
Sir Fynwy Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 The communist is going to win Blair will face trial on war crimes Labour will split New labour and Socialist labour Torys will rule for 20 years And the SNP will declare war The Torys will could split over the EU vote so we could end up with 4 smaller parties which actually reflect the views of their members rather than 2 parties that try being all things to everyone.
Guest MattP Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 Guardian backs Cooper, look at the response from the Corbynites.
davieG Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 Labour leadership: 'Back anyone but Corbyn', Kendall urges 1 hour ago From the sectionUK Politics 182comments Liz Kendall has urged her supporters to back a voting block against Mr Corbyn Liz Kendall has urged her supporters to back anyone other than Jeremy Corbyn in the Labour leadership contest. She told the BBC Labour risked sending a "resignation letter to the British people as a serious party of government" by electing Mr Corbyn. She told The Independent voters should mark Andy Burnham or Yvette Cooper as second and third preferences, and avoid giving votes to the frontrunner. It comes as Labour begins sending out the first ballot papers to voters. More than 600,000 people are qualified to vote in the four-way contest, the result of which will be declared on 12 September. Mr Corbyn is due to unveil a 10-point policy plan while in Glasgow later. Ms Kendall, who is polling in last place in the contest, admitted she had "a hell of a long way to go" to convince enough people to back her. She called for a voting pact with Ms Cooper and Mr Burnham, saying: "I have set out very clearly where I differ with all the candidates but our differences with Jeremy's kind of politics are far greater." 'Serious party' Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme Ms Kendall said: "I can't pretend to be agnostic about Jeremy Corbyn leading our party because I think millions of people are desperate and depend on a serious Labour Party that can win elections. "This is the system we've got. It is an alternative vote system and I want to urge party members to use all of their different preferences. "I will be using my second and third preferences and I would urge others to do the same because I don't want to see our party go back to the politics of the '80s, just being a party of protest." Ms Kendall also said she did not see the party splitting, as it had done in the 1980s when Labour members formed the Social Democratic Party, saying she believed people would make the case for a "modern, open, optimistic Labour party". She is heading on a 72-hour tour around Britain to try to boost her campaign. 'Values and ideas' Jeremy Corbyn is the surprise frontrunner Meanwhile Mr Corbyn has promised a "new kind of politics" if he wins the contest. His policy programme includes a commitment to "growth not austerity", nationalising the railways and energy sector, and a plan for nuclear disarmament. "I have chosen Scotland to set out the values and policies I'm standing to deliver, on the day the ballot papers are sent out, because Scotland is one of several examples of how Labour has become disconnected," he said. "This plan of the values and ideas I'm standing to deliver are intended to speak to all parts of Britain, not setting one against another as the Tories have done." "Combined, they are a new kind of politics: a fairer, kinder Britain based on innovation, decent jobs and decent public services." Newspaper backing Jump media player Media player help Out of media player. Press enter to return or tab to continue. Media captionLance Price: "Campaign has done nothing to re-engage the Labour Party with those millions of people who deserted it at the last election" Yvette Cooper used a speech on Thursday to criticise Mr Corbyn, accusing him of proposing "old solutions to old problems" and presenting herself as the "real radical". Ms Cooper told BBC Newsnight there was a serious risk that the party would split if Mr Corbyn won. She said: "I don't want to see that happen, I can't bear to see that happen because I think there is too much at stake and when you've got families who depend on Labour to stop their tax credits being cut, to say goodbye to power and to the possibility of winning the next election is wrong." Asked if she would sit in a Jeremy Corbyn shadow cabinet, Ms Cooper said she would not be able to argue for policies such as the return of the Labour Party's Clause IV. She said she feared Labour could be out of power for a generation, but would not walk away from the party. Yvette Cooper said there was a serious risk that the party would split if Mr Corbyn won Lance price, former director of communications for Labour, said the leadership contest had been an "unedifying mess" and had "done nothing to reengage the labour party with those millions of people who deserted it". He added that whoever won contest would end up without the support of a "bulk of the party". The Guardian newspaper has endorsed Ms Cooper for the leadership. In an editorial, it said Mr Corbyn had "breathed extraordinary life" into the leadership campaign, while his three rivals came across as "a triple-headed embodiment of the well-dressed, smooth-talking Westminster class". But the paper said he would not win the votes necessary to clinch a general election - and instead Ms Cooper would be best placed to take on David Cameron, and perform the "formidably difficult task" of uniting the party. Meanwhile, the Daily Mirror has endorsed Andy Burnham, for the leadership. But the paper urged him to "find a role" in his team for Mr Corbyn, who it says has "lit up the election campaign". Mr Burnham, Mr Corbyn's closest challenger according to opinion polls, said it was unhelpful to "second guess" and make "dire predictions" about the outcome of the vote. He said: "I think people are well aware of the issues at stake and I think the time has come to trust the members of our party and the supporters of our party to make the right decision about its future." Labour leadership contest in-depth A look at what each of the candidates would do if they won power: Andy Burnham Yvette Cooper Jeremy Corbyn Liz Kendall Left-winger Mr Corbyn began the race as a rank outsider but has shot to the top of the opinion polls on the back of a social media campaign and backing from the two biggest unions. Meanwhile, Labour Party officials have rejected calls to pause the contest over fears the process is being sabotaged by members of other parties. The party will begin sending out ballot papers on Friday, with the first going to long-standing members who have already been verified.
Benji Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 I've read twice this morning that the "other three" are career politicians. I wasn't aware that Corbyn had spent 30 years working in industry and business. Good to know
Frank to be Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 Corbyn is the only candidate whose economics would actually benefit most of the people posting on this forum. His plan to use QE to invest in housing and infrastructure is exactly what the country needs. Big business don't like it because it doesn't provide them 95% like pro-business politics usually does but under Corbyn most of us would be better off. It's a shame that more people can't see past the pro-business propaganda, but hopefully enough people can see past it to get Corbyn in. The guardian meanwhile is being left behind by its own readership. They're the newspaper equivalent of the lib Dems now, left isolated and unpopular after abandoning their principles.
Christoph Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 IF Corbyn wins I can't see anything but a character assassination by the media. I'm hoping the obviousness of it will turn people against the media though. Getting a bit fed up of the media having such an influence on politics.
Vacamion Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 Corbyn is the only candidate whose economics would actually benefit most of the people posting on this forum. His plan to use QE to invest in housing and infrastructure is exactly what the country needs. Big business don't like it because it doesn't provide them 95% like pro-business politics usually does but under Corbyn most of us would be better off. It's a shame that more people can't see past the pro-business propaganda, but hopefully enough people can see past it to get Corbyn in. The guardian meanwhile is being left behind by its own readership. They're the newspaper equivalent of the lib Dems now, left isolated and unpopular after abandoning their principles. I'm pretty sure that we would all be worse off under a Corbyn govt before he had a chance to enact a single policy, due to a massive flight of capital out of the country... That's before we even start on how much his policies would cost...
Sir Fynwy Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 I'm pretty sure that we would all be worse off under a Corbyn govt before he had a chance to enact a single policy, due to a massive flight of capital out of the country... That's before we even start on how much his policies would cost... A leader only sets the tone, the party as whole would actually decide on policies and a manifesto, we don't have presidential leaders with an executive veto and capital flight is a great threat by business (and there would be some) but costs of relocation vs stay and pay a bit more tax could easily be balanced up on the stay side.
Frank to be Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 I'm pretty sure that we would all be worse off under a Corbyn govt before he had a chance to enact a single policy, due to a massive flight of capital out of the country... That's before we even start on how much his policies would cost... Most of the capital in the country is hidden anyway. It's not being taxed, it's not benefitting ordinary people, it's benefitting the few people who own it and the politicians who gain from protecting it.
SMX11 Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 I only hope the Labour party splits and collapses, then hopefully the Conservatives will do the same. Both don't represent their electrate anymore.
Sir Fynwy Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 I only hope the Labour party splits and collapses, then hopefully the Conservatives will do the same. Both don't represent their electrate anymore. Exactly, both parties sold themselves to the city decades ago.
Sir Fynwy Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 'Unelectable' Corbyn is ahead in London polls http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/left-winger-jeremy-corbyn-is-first-choice-for-londoners-a2633546.html
The Railway Man Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 'Unelectable' Corbyn is ahead in London polls http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/left-winger-jeremy-corbyn-is-first-choice-for-londoners-a2633546.html You do realise when people talking him being 'unelectable' it means across the whole of Great Britain, not London, the North East, Liverpool or South Wales?
Monk Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 Makes me laugh when the other candidates can't talk about anything except Corbyn. Hopeless bunch the lot of them if they've got nothing else to talk about, no platform, no ideas, no charisma.
inckley fox Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 No they won the elections because Blair conned people into believing they would be good for business and 'prudent' with the economy.. They were however same old labour ,leaving the country in a far worse state financially. I don't think there were many governments who left office in 2010 and left their country in a better state financially. It's the nature of a global economic crisis. If we look at their financial management of the UK over the course of the previous 13 years, as we have to if we're going to be balanced here, then they didn't do too badly; national debt for instance had been significantly reduced in comparison to its 1997 levels. I don't think it's healthy to disregard the many achievements made by both Labour and Conservative governments in the two-party era, any more so than it is to look upon Attlee or Macmillan or Thatcher or Blair or anyone else as impeccable. You'll have your natural inclinations and I'll have mine, naturally, but it's important to be objective. You say 'same old Labour', but I doubt a historian would want to class Cameron, Thatcher and Heath as eggs from the 'same old' basket. Similarly it's ridiculous to class a set of Labour leaders as diverse as Blair, Wilson and Attlee as much of a muchness.
johnny the fox Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 Corbyn's first policy to be enforced is...people will have to wear their pants on the outside for regular inspection... that's according to the Sun... no reason to doubt it though..
Guest Bilo Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 Corbyn's first policy to be enforced is...people will have to wear their pants on the outside for regular inspection... that's according to the Sun... no reason to doubt it though.. To be fair, a lot of his supporters do seem to be of the impression that he's Superman, Jesus and Chuck Norris all rolled into one.
Guest MattP Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 To be fair, a lot of his supporters do seem to be of the impression that he's Superman, Jesus and Chuck Norris all rolled into one. Out of interest, would you still be able to campaign for the party with him as the leader? Interests me given what I know you think of people like George Galloway.
Guest Bilo Posted 14 August 2015 Posted 14 August 2015 Out of interest, would you still be able to campaign for the party with him as the leader? Interests me given what I know you think of people like George Galloway. I'd be able to campaign as I think a party is bigger than its leader, and because I want a Labour government. I also think the hardest times are the most important for a party, and when it most needs its members to rally round. God knows we're in for hard times if Corbyn is elected, and I wouldn't be able to abandon the party wholesale. On the subject of George Galloway; I don't support Corbyn's bid, but he's ten times the politician Galloway is and a hundred times the man. Galloway is despised even by many Corbynites, let alone the moderates. I don't even consider Galloway a left-winger now given his views on sexual consent, forced marriage, gay rights in Iran and his unabashed support for religious fascists such as Hezbollah and Hamas. Therefore, I'd warn against conflating Corbyn and Galloway; the former may be softer on Hezbollah, Hamas and the IRA than I'd like, but it doesn't translate into full blown ideological and financial support as seen with Gormless George.
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