davieG Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 The battle between the veil and the miniskirt BBC TrendingWhat's popular and why 30 May 2015 Share Two opposing campaigns arguing about what women should wear are gripping the Arab world. What makes a man? According to the people behind a campaign which apparently started in Algeria this week, "real men" take charge of what the women in their family wear - and they make sure females are covered up in public. The Facebook page "Be a man and don't let your women out in revealing clothes" has attracted thousands of likes. On the page, men are sharing verses from the Quran and posting photos of their family members wearing conservative clothes. They argue that the Islamic hijab and other modest attire protects women from unwanted attention. Photos such as these were being shared on the "Be a man" Facebook pageA few of the posts compare women to objects. Under a picture of two lollipops - one wrapped and pristine, the other unwrapped and covered in ants, a caption reads: "You can't stop them but you can protect yourself." Another image compares a woman who reveals "too much" of her body to a peeled banana. More on debates over women's clothing from BBC Trending: A tale of two skirts But the campaign stirred a strong reaction from secular activists in neighbouring Tunisia, a country known for its more progressive views on women's rights compared to others in the region. Tunisian campaigner Rachid ben Othman led the online offensive by calling for an "international day of the mini skirt" in a show of solidarity with Algerian women. "We must fight the pro-Islamists taking over," Othman wrote on the event's Facebook page. Another Tunisian campaigner, who wanted to remain anonymous because of fears for her safety, told BBC Trending that the "Be a man" campaign demeans women. When asked why a miniskirt was chosen as the poster garment for the campaign, she said: "It had to make the same point, they chose the veil as a piece of clothing and we chose the miniskirt." Citing the country's history of comparatively liberal mores and the relatively recent move towards conservative Islamic dress, she noted: "The mini-skirt existed in Tunisia long before the veil." The miniskirt Facebook event page was briefly taken down for unknown reasons earlier this week. Facebook said it could not comment on individual cases, and the page was later reinstated. The event was initially planned for Saturday but has since been delayed, and campaigners are now asking women all around the world to go out in mini skirts on 6 June and posts selfies in defiance of the "be a man" campaign. We tried to contact the "Be a man" organisers - but they didn't respond to repeated requests for comment.
orangecity23 Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 The battle between the veil and the miniskirt BBC TrendingWhat's popular and why 30 May 2015Share Photos such as these were being shared on the "Be a man" Facebook page How ironic. All in favour of covering up, but he's clearly written a sign for his wife to hold where the last letter on the top line is a crude drawing of a pair of boobs.
leicsmac Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 Implying that women are property of men and addressing the problem in completely the wrong way that is pretty close to victim-blaming. How charming.
DennisNedry Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 How about being a man and letting women wear whatever the **** they want?
leicsmac Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 How about being a man and letting women wear whatever the **** they want? This....and added onto the end, "without being a judgemental intolerant objectifying shiteheel about it, too." Lot of people could do with figuring that one out.
MooseBreath Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 Probably a good idea to keep "your woman" covered up on these countries full of lecherous gang rapists to be fair.
Alf Bentley Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 The insecure control freak pictured obviously sees no irony in forcing his womenfolk to wear ultra-traditional garb while posing in westernised jeans and T-shirt himself. I'm no expert on Islam, but my understanding is that it exhorts men and women alike to dress with "modesty" - and the specific requirements are quite limited. Not that I believe in encouraging modesty, anyway. Encouraging self-expression in tandem with tolerance and respect is a much better idea. Here's a much better Facebook page to like: https://www.facebook.com/StealthyFreedom "My Stealthy Freedom" is a page on which mainly Iranian women post photos in which they liberate themselves from the oppression of compulsory headscarves. Their joy at using the freedom to express themselves is quite apparent. A constant flow of images of often very attractive women joyfully expressing themselves certainly cheers up my Facebook timeline!
1993fox Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 Let's put it this way, I don't have respect for a woman who whores herself out. Make of that what you want to.
Alf Bentley Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 Let's put it this way, I don't have respect for a woman who whores herself out. Make of that what you want to. Do you have respect for a man who whores himself out? Bit of a jump from a woman choosing whatever clothes she wants to wear so as to express her personality, mood or sexuality.....to "whoring herself out", don't you think?
Gary Eatfood Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 Let's put it this way, I don't have respect for a woman who whores herself out. Make of that what you want to. It makes me think that you sir, are an ostrich.
Strokes Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 The only issues regarding clothing that I struggle with, is the children's, particularly young girls clothing fashion. It's virtually the same as adult women and it's almost creepily sexualising young girls. As parents, we have a duty to try and educate them into making safer choices with their attire imo.
AoWW Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 The only issues regarding clothing that I struggle with, is the children's, particularly young girls clothing fashion. It's virtually the same as adult women and it's almost creepily sexualising young girls. As parents, we have a duty to try and educate them into making safer choices with their attire imo. Agree 100%. I teach 8-9 year olds and whilst I can understand children that age wanting to 'dress up' for special occasions, some of the clothing the girls wear is very provocative and sexualised. At the last school disco one of the girls came in a top with 'touch me' emblazoned across it!
Strokes Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 Agree 100%. I teach 8-9 year olds and whilst I can understand children that age wanting to 'dress up' for special occasions, some of the clothing the girls wear is very provocative and sexualised. At the last school disco one of the girls came in a top with 'touch me' emblazoned across it!It literally brings me close to tears when I see it, maybe it's the parents that need the education. I have a three year old daughter and we already have to make choices for her, regarding the cut of dresses and the messages they display. She is so beautiful as she is, she doesn't need help standing out.
Parafox Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 Agree 100%. I teach 8-9 year olds and whilst I can understand children that age wanting to 'dress up' for special occasions, some of the clothing the girls wear is very provocative and sexualised. At the last school disco one of the girls came in a top with 'touch me' emblazoned across it! And the worry is thatthe girl wouldn't get the innuendo of that but surely the parents would? Are they from Braunstone/Hand Avenue???
BrokenRecord Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 Be a real man and cover up "your women" because you're so insecure that another man might take a look. Sounds like a fun movement!
Danno Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 Let's put it this way, I don't have respect for a woman who whores herself out. Make of that what you want to. That's probably because you're a woman hating virgin.
Captain... Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 The gist seems to be women should cover up to avoid unwanted attention, effectively saying that if they show a bit of flesh men will leer over them and make them objects of sexual desire. Maybe they should just blindfold all men who can't control themselves if they see a bit of ankle, maybe if the women didn't live in a country where the menfolk well start fwapping in the street at the site of an exposed shoulder they would be free to wear what they want. Really it seems the issue is that some men can't control themselves rather than that women wearing skirts are sluts (although some are), maybe if they had seen more than a veiled face when growing up they might not be so scared/aroused by a bit of flesh.
BrokenRecord Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 The gist seems to be women should cover up to avoid unwanted attention, effectively saying that if they show a bit of flesh men will leer over them and make them objects of sexual desire. Maybe they should just blindfold all men who can't control themselves if they see a bit of ankle, maybe if the women didn't live in a country where the menfolk well start fwapping in the street at the site of an exposed shoulder they would be free to wear what they want. Really it seems the issue is that some men can't control themselves rather than that women wearing skirts are sluts (although some are), maybe if they had seen more than a veiled face when growing up they might not be so scared/aroused by a bit of flesh. Even if they are sluts, what's the issue? It's the exact same as a guy going 'round shagging numerous women. Now if the woman or the man is in a relationship, then obviously it is wrong.
Rincewind Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 when i was growing up my mum wore a headscarf and long coats. it was only when she remarried she became more independant. my birth dad was old fashioned. mum waited on him hand and foot. this was 50/60's it is only in the last 50 years or so women have had more choice for themselves about what to wear. give tese people to catch up with the western world. imagine what it would be like in victorian london if women wore mini skirts up to their arse.
ADK Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 I don't see why it matters what people wear, whether it's kids or women or men. It's sad that people still use it to justify rape culture.
Captain... Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 Even if they are sluts, what's the issue? It's the exact same as a guy going 'round shagging numerous women. Now if the woman or the man is in a relationship, then obviously it is wrong. No issue, slut it up if you want.
Steven Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 The gist seems to be women should cover up to avoid unwanted attention, effectively saying that if they show a bit of flesh men will leer over them and make them objects of sexual desire. Maybe they should just blindfold all men who can't control themselves if they see a bit of ankle, maybe if the women didn't live in a country where the menfolk well start fwapping in the street at the site of an exposed shoulder they would be free to wear what they want. Really it seems the issue is that some men can't control themselves rather than that women wearing skirts are sluts (although some are), maybe if they had seen more than a veiled face when growing up they might not be so scared/aroused by a bit of flesh. So no woman even if she is covered from head to toe does not think to herself I would fancy giving that bloke a shag. Do me a favour.
Captain... Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 So no woman even if she is covered from head to toe does not think to herself I would fancy giving that bloke a shag. Do me a favour. You do know that is my interpretation of what the men wanting their women to cover up are saying and not my opinion.
Alf Bentley Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 The only issues regarding clothing that I struggle with, is the children's, particularly young girls clothing fashion. It's virtually the same as adult women and it's almost creepily sexualising young girls. As parents, we have a duty to try and educate them into making safer choices with their attire imo. Agree 100%. I teach 8-9 year olds and whilst I can understand children that age wanting to 'dress up' for special occasions, some of the clothing the girls wear is very provocative and sexualised. At the last school disco one of the girls came in a top with 'touch me' emblazoned across it! When I first went clothes shopping after my daughter was born, I was shocked at the aisles of pink for girls and aisles of blue for girls. Used to buy some clothes from the boys' aisle just for a bit of variety. Daughter (now 11) went through a brief "pink princess" phase, aged about 6-7, but now favours a female version of the Kurt Cobain look: shorts over tights, tartan button-up shirt over T-shirt, a few alternative accessories. Any mention of anything relating to boys or sexual desirability is met with the disgusted response "Eeeeuuuwww!" (can't do this justice in writing). Am expecting and dreading a shift to more sexualised clothing in the next few years, but that's just part of normal, hormonal teenage development. I can't understand parents who dress their daughters in the stuff you've described at primary school age. I find it quite disturbing. They're effectively sexualising their daughters before they're ready for it, just to gain some sort of bizarre kudos from having an "attractive" (i.e. sexually desirable) pre-pubescent daughter. Seriously wrong.
Steven Posted 30 May 2015 Posted 30 May 2015 You do know that is my interpretation of what the men wanting their women to cover up are saying and not my opinion.
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