Danno Posted 19 July 2015 Posted 19 July 2015 They probably wouldn't have since almost half a million British people hadn't died fighting them yet
davieG Posted 19 July 2015 Posted 19 July 2015 In my opinion, I think you'd be very hard pressed to have found anyone who would have been massively offended by a Nazi salute pre Nuremburg laws being passed. Neville Chamberlain would salute Hitler openly right up to their "Peace in our time" meeting at the Eagles Nest in 1938/9 (not sure of exact date!) m sure you're right about the salute although there were plenty who were offended by the Nairn but you probably needed to be a strong willed independent person to say publically. Germany v England 1938
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 In 1934 you'd find that most people thought Hitler and the Nazis were quite good and revitalising Germany and its economy. Exactly the case, at that time, five years before World War Two.
Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 m sure you're right about the salute although there were plenty who were offended by the Nairn but you probably needed to be a strong willed independent person to say publically. Germany v England 1938 They're just trying to keep the sun out of their eyes
Guest MattP Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Another couple of old British favourites have been outed as Nazis as well.
Wymsey Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 It's frustrating that history is being told off by today's political correctness.
Steven Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Another couple of old British favourites have been outed as Nazis as well. Noooooooooooo. Not Sooty, not Sweep.
johnny the fox Posted 22 July 2015 Author Posted 22 July 2015 Another couple of old British favourites have been outed as Nazis as well. Always thought harry corbett was a fascist bastard., mind you I wouldn't mind seeing sue in nazi black leather..
Danno Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 It's frustrating that history is being told off by today's political correctness.Those nasty lefty loonies not liking genocide! It's PC gone mad. We need Nigel Farage to make this country great again!
inckley fox Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Of course it's serious, this has been all over the worldwide press this week. When you consider that our monarch's primary purpose is to serve as a figurehead and a diplomat, this sort of headline is naturally damaging. If it were footage of George Orwell doing a Nazi salute we could laugh it off because we'd know how firmly ideologically opposed to Nazism he was, but where the Royal Family are concerned - more so Edward VIII than Elizabeth II - it's a very cloudy issue. The Queen can't be blamed for her German lineage, nor even for the Nazi salute, but it's bad publicity for somebody whose role is frequently justified in terms of image, and it's further evidence of her uncle - our former King - having a deep affinity with the Nazis. The picture was taken after the Reichstag fire, the suspension of most civil liberties, the establishment of the totalitarian regime and was taken at pretty much the same time as the Night of the Long Knives. The Queen wouldn't have known this and, even if she did, it would be unfair to expect her to to have had the political maturity to find their actions abhorrent. Edward, on the other hand, was old enough, and so was the Queen Mother. This isn't to say that she, or even Edward, didn't later change their minds. But it's another question mark over their affiliation with an ideology which was not 'previously harmless', but was publicly opposed by the vast majority of English politicians of the time, and widely feared across Europe. I wouldn't see any harm in the Queen - as a figurehead - addressing these questions. I certainly struggle to see how Buckingham Palace can be more angered by the release of this tape than it is by the - presumably inaccurate - portrayal of the Queen as a Nazi sympathiser. Or, for that matter, the far more credible portrayal of elements of the wider Royal Family as Nazi sympathisers (the future Queen may well have just been 'playing around', but Nazism was no laughing matter to him). It's important for somebody who exists largely as a symbol to make sure that they're symbolising the right things. I think the best part of 500,000 people, far more across the Commonwealth, died in the name of King (albeit a different one to Edward) and Country in WW2. It wouldn't hurt for the Queen to remind everyone that they were fighting the right war. More importantly, it could be a great opportunity for the Royal Family - who are also symbols, and have an at times shadowy past where Nazism is concerned - to wipe the slate clean.
Rincewind Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 I took a similar picture of the latest edition of OE I received today and posted it on my Facebook page. I was going to post in in here tomorrow. Looks like you had the same idea.
Rincewind Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Someone was talking tonight about the Orkney Islands belonging to Denmark. The Germans took and when Britain freed it they tried to negotiate a deal but the price was too high so Denmark never bothered pursueing it. The bloke who was saying is of Orkney descent and has a Danish passport misplaced now. My derails may be sketchy so best to check. The Faroe Islands were mentioned too. I only heard a small part of the conversation between others. I always thought Orkneys belonged to the Scots.
katieakita Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Of course it's serious, this has been all over the worldwide press this week. When you consider that our monarch's primary purpose is to serve as a figurehead and a diplomat, this sort of headline is naturally damaging. If it were footage of George Orwell doing a Nazi salute we could laugh it off because we'd know how firmly ideologically opposed to Nazism he was, but where the Royal Family are concerned - more so Edward VIII than Elizabeth II - it's a very cloudy issue. The Queen can't be blamed for her German lineage, nor even for the Nazi salute, but it's bad publicity for somebody whose role is frequently justified in terms of image, and it's further evidence of her uncle - our former King - having a deep affinity with the Nazis. The picture was taken after the Reichstag fire, the suspension of most civil liberties, the establishment of the totalitarian regime and was taken at pretty much the same time as the Night of the Long Knives. The Queen wouldn't have known this and, even if she did, it would be unfair to expect her to to have had the political maturity to find their actions abhorrent. Edward, on the other hand, was old enough, and so was the Queen Mother. This isn't to say that she, or even Edward, didn't later change their minds. But it's another question mark over their affiliation with an ideology which was not 'previously harmless', but was publicly opposed by the vast majority of English politicians of the time, and widely feared across Europe. I wouldn't see any harm in the Queen - as a figurehead - addressing these questions. I certainly struggle to see how Buckingham Palace can be more angered by the release of this tape than it is by the - presumably inaccurate - portrayal of the Queen as a Nazi sympathiser. Or, for that matter, the far more credible portrayal of elements of the wider Royal Family as Nazi sympathisers (the future Queen may well have just been 'playing around', but Nazism was no laughing matter to him). It's important for somebody who exists largely as a symbol to make sure that they're symbolising the right things. I think the best part of 500,000 people, far more across the Commonwealth, died in the name of King (albeit a different one to Edward) and Country in WW2. It wouldn't hurt for the Queen to remind everyone that they were fighting the right war. More importantly, it could be a great opportunity for the Royal Family - who are also symbols, and have an at times shadowy past where Nazism is concerned - to wipe the slate clean. At the age of 7 Princess Elizabeth also probably believed in Santa Claus so wouldn't really expert her to have the political maturity to understand Hitler & Nazism becoming the scourge of the 20th Century. the future King Edward had Nazi sympathies we know, would have hoped his views would have changed with the death of his brother in the war. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, probably tell us that we should not have supported the Iraqis in the Iran Iraq war of the late 70,s early 80,s or trained up the likes of Osama Bin Laden to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. Both no doubt seemed the right thing at the time.
Vacamion Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Someone was talking tonight about the Orkney Islands belonging to Denmark. The Germans took and when Britain freed it they tried to negotiate a deal but the price was too high so Denmark never bothered pursueing it. The bloke who was saying is of Orkney descent and has a Danish passport misplaced now. My derails may be sketchy so best to check. The Faroe Islands were mentioned too. I only heard a small part of the conversation between others. I always thought Orkneys belonged to the Scots. Part of Scotland since 1472. They spoke a version of Norse up there up until English overtook it in the last few hundred years. Nearly all of the place names there, like much of the rest of the UK, derive from Norse. They were never occupied by ze Germans. I think wires might have been crossed....
Alf Bentley Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Someone was talking tonight about the Orkney Islands belonging to Denmark. The Germans took and when Britain freed it they tried to negotiate a deal but the price was too high so Denmark never bothered pursueing it. The bloke who was saying is of Orkney descent and has a Danish passport misplaced now. My derails may be sketchy so best to check. The Faroe Islands were mentioned too. I only heard a small part of the conversation between others. I always thought Orkneys belonged to the Scots. You've helped my education, Ken. I knew the Faroes (not Orkney) had a connection to Denmark, but was a bit vague about it. Faroes (not Orkney) have been under Danish control since 1388 and were occupied by the Brits during WW2 in retaliation for the Germans occupying Denmark, apparently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroe_Islands I reckon this Danish bloke of Orcadian descent misplaced his passport in the King's Head, by the way!
Rincewind Posted 23 July 2015 Posted 23 July 2015 No in fact he works for some government body but as I said I never heard all the conversation.
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