Guest Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 Watch the show and then come back to me. It wasn't political propaganda. It's all propaganda and most propaganda is political.
MooseBreath Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 It's all propaganda and most propaganda is political. So you didn't watch the show?
Bellend Sebastian Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 The beast of Bolsover meets the beast of Broxtowe As ridiculous as the accusations of sexism were, it's nice to see someone actually take the ranting bully boy Skinner to task over something, I've never actually heard him offer up an alternative or solution to anything, just stands there and shouts about the Tories, he's perfect for the current Labour party. His best comeback was "You even look like Thatcher" She should have just called him a c*** like she did Miliband (allegedly). I'd have told her to go back to where she came from (Central Weekend)
Guest MattP Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 That was much better PMQ's today, robust and lively debate again. Fiscal charter debate this afternoon, Osborne v McDonnell, George should have an absolute field day given Labour were supporting this just 14 days ago. An (unworkable) commitment to being financial responsible, I cannot believe they have actually fell for this given it's the most obvious political trap ever laid, worst comes to the worst just vote for it and then repeal it if you need it, it will be interesting to see how many Labour MP's abstain or rebel against Corbyn, I think we'll see at least 50 odd. Dan Hodges has again made me chuckle Four months ago, George Osborne set a trap for the Labour Party. We know this because he stood up in the House of Commons and said “I’m going to set a trap for the Labour Party”. The he walked around the Dispatch Box, took out a shovel, and began to dig a big hole just in front of the Labour front bench. As he was doing so, he said: “Labour front bench. This is the trap I’m digging for you. It’s this big hole right in front of you.” Then he took out a big sign. The sign read: “Giant Labour Party Trap.” And he placed it right next to the hole. Then he went and sat back on the Government bench. “Don’t you think you’re being a bit obvious with this trap of yours, George,” David Cameron whispered to his Chancellor, upon his return. “No David, don’t worry. This is the Labour Party. They will fall for it. Trust me,” Osborne responded. “But you’ve just told them what you’re doing,” Cameron pressed. “And they’ve just seen you digging the hole. And you’ve put a big sign by the hole saying 'Giant Labour Party Trap'. At which point George Osborne patted his colleague reassuringly on the shoulder, and soothed: “Seriously. Don’t worry, David. This is the Labour Party. They will fall for it. Just you wait and see."
bmt Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 An (unworkable) commitment to being financial responsible, I cannot believe they have actually fell for this given it's the most obvious political trap ever laid, worst comes to the worst just vote for it and then repeal it if you need it, it will be interesting to see how many Labour MP's abstain or rebel against Corbyn, I think we'll see at least 50 odd. Dan Hodges has again made me chuckle Couldn't believe they agreed to vote for the charter in the first place, and now I'm even more surprised they are going to show the holes in the party by going against it. I think it is a ridiculous and in some ways undemocratic charter, but to show political weakness so openly has surprised me. They should now really try and make a scene about the new politics of admitting you were wrong on something, and also try and get the message of why the charter is wrong to the general public. Much harder said than done.
Foxxed Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 If the divisions in Labour get even worse, and the 2016 local elections slate Labour, David Milliband could - especially since he never ruled this out - swoop in from his international charity job, and be the camera-friendly smiling bullshitter Labour need to beat a possibly divided Tory party, especially if May and Osbourn are still senior cabinet figures, itching to place their grubby talons on door handle of no 10.
Guest MattP Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 Couldn't believe they agreed to vote for the charter in the first place, and now I'm even more surprised they are going to show the holes in the party by going against it. I think it is a ridiculous and in some ways undemocratic charter, but to show political weakness so openly has surprised me. They should now really try and make a scene about the new politics of admitting you were wrong on something, and also try and get the message of why the charter is wrong to the general public. Much harder said than done. The only thing I can think of is for a short time Corbyn and McDonnell thought "hang on, we need to be seen as electable here don't we?" before realising again that actually in reality they have no intention of being elected and just prefer to be a protest group who shout from the sidelines. At least the Tories won't have to spend the next few years convincing the public the Labour party intends to borrow, tax and spend, they are pretty much going to commit to the fact they will tonight, I'm looking forward to seeing where Umanna, Jarvis and Hunt's votes go, you can't imagine anyone with their eye on a future leadership can vote against this. If the divisions in Labour get even worse, and the 2016 local elections slate Labour, David Milliband could - especially since he never ruled this out - swoop in from his international charity job, and be the camera-friendly smiling bullshitter Labour need to beat a possibly divided Tory party, especially if May and Osbourn are still senior cabinet figures, itching to place their grubby talons on door handle of no 10. I really don't get the David Miliband hype, this man couldn't beat Ed Miliband among Labour voters, why does anyone think he could beat the Tories over the whole electorate? Not only that, with the current Labour membership how would he even manage to get voted in?
bmt Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 The only thing I can think of is for a short time Corbyn and McDonnell thought "hang on, we need to be seen as electable here don't we?" before realising again that actually in reality they have no intention of being elected and just prefer to be a protest group who shout from the sidelines. At least the Tories won't have to spend the next few years convincing the public the Labour party intends to borrow, tax and spend, they are pretty much going to commit to the fact they will tonight, I'm looking forward to seeing where Umanna, Jarvis and Hunt's votes go, you can't imagine anyone with their eye on a future leadership can vote against this. They've just played it so badly. I mean I think you could build an electable basis whilst opposing this but they should have said that from the second Corbyn got into power, everyone knows that there economic policy is not to insist on a budget surplus every year anyway. I'm intrigued too, although part of me still hopes the conversations with the more centrist/centre-right Labour MPs happened before they changed their policy. As an aside I think its a crappy and undemocratic idea to put this charter into law, but I was enjoying agreeing with you for one moment first.
Strokes Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 They've just played it so badly. I mean I think you could build an electable basis whilst opposing this but they should have said that from the second Corbyn got into power, everyone knows that there economic policy is not to insist on a budget surplus every year anyway. I'm intrigued too, although part of me still hopes the conversations with the more centrist/centre-right Labour MPs happened before they changed their policy. As an aside I think its a crappy and undemocratic idea to put this charter into law, but I was enjoying agreeing with you for one moment first. It's not like there will be any sanctions or recriminations for failing to do this though. If labour were to get into power with this in place, they would just seek to change it or remove it.
Guest MattP Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 That's pretty much it, vote for it or at worst abstain then repeal when you get back in if you need too. The more I watch Corbyn and Co the more I'm convinced they have no intention of being voted in.
Guest MattP Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 Debate started on fiscal charter now. I hope those who accuse MP's of never doing anything are watching the hundreds in the HOC at 7.15pm on a Wednesday night.
Strokes Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 That's pretty much it, vote for it or at worst abstain then repeal when you get back in if you need too. The more I watch Corbyn and Co the more I'm convinced they have no intention of being voted in. I think you are right, to be in power would mean they would have to run through with some of these crazy ideas. They've made a living of screaming from the backbenches and have no clue how to drive it forwards.
Strokes Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 Debate started on fiscal charter now. I hope those who accuse MP's of never doing anything are watching the hundreds in the HOC at 7.15pm on a Wednesday night. I'm watching the Cartoon Network, I think they are going bed in five and I'm in two minds whether to watch this or keep Lego batman on.
Strokes Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 Caroline Lucas, couldn't even keep a straight face
Guest MattP Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 Mate I hope you are watching, Caroline Lucas is being laughed at by the whole house She's just actually said "you only stop borrowing when you can't afford to pay it back".
Strokes Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 Mate I hope you are watching, Caroline Lucas is being laughed at by the whole house She's just actually said "you only stop borrowing when you can't afford to pay it back". I know, it was brilliant, Osborne is magnificent at the moment. He has seriously upped his game, I've not seen a commons debate for over year and this looks brilliant.
Guest MattP Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 Osborne is sensational on the floor, one of the best. I can't believe Lucas actual said that, I mean we all know the Greens would do that, but I never thought they'd openly admit it.
Strokes Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 Osborne is sensational on the floor, one of the best. I can't believe Lucas actual said that, I mean we all know the Greens would do that, but I never thought they'd openly admit it. They are going to have to be outrageous to stand out next to labour now, perhaps this is the start of it.
Buce Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 I'm watching the Cartoon Network, I think they are going bed in five and I'm in two minds whether to watch this or keep Lego batman on. Life on the edge.
Guest MattP Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 This bloke is one of the few people who I could smack.
Strokes Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 Life on the edge. Life's not all serious politics buce, sometimes you just have to watch scooby doo.
Strokes Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 This bloke is one of the few people who I could smack. What's going on with all that weird blinking, I was hoping it was Tourette's and he might then be remotely interesting.
Guest MattP Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 Passed by 62. Not bad result at all for a government with a majority of 12.
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